Shocking: New Zealand and Australia are out of their place on the map

I'm sorry, but I just don't get it ... these "claims" on the surface may seem reasonable, especially to those making them and who start to believe in them and begin to to treat them as possibly just a normal facet of existence and not instead, something to be considered completely "off the wall" ... but let's just quickly take a look at some of the obvious ramifications that will out of necessity, be a direct consequence of these "reality frame shifts" claims.

1. Why should YOU (and the other claimants) consider yourselves to be in a privileged position regarding "reality frame shifts" ? Why not me, or the other 99.9999% of the human population ?
It's a standard tenet of physics that there are NO observers or events able to claim a privileged frame of reference status.

2. Did YOUR original "reality frame" collapse or were YOU (and the others) dragged into MY reality frame ? Either way, what physical process/mechanism was invoked and WHY ?

3. If your original "reality frame" did NOT collapse, then did YOU simply disappear from your original "reality frame" ?
If it did collapse, does that imply that your ENTIRE original "reality frame" universe collapse as well ... implying if nothing else, that the other 99.9999% of the human population ceased to exist at that point ?

4. Does every "reality frame shift" claimant originate from the SAME initial "reality frame"?
If yes, why was YOUR original "reality frame" selected ... and how ?
If no, then why were these multiple original "reality frames" selected ? Purposely or randomly ?

5. If you believe you were a member of a different "reality frame" from mine ... does that mean that (a) YOUR "reality frame" and MINE co-existed or (b) that this "reality frame" that you've found yourself in i.e. mine, only came into existence the very same instance that you "crossed reality frames" ?

That'll do for the moment but rest assured I can come up with many more relevant questions to ask.

I guess it's one thing to make a statement such as "when did New Zealand move" and assume that is the ONLY question ... but as I hope to have shown in my points above, the moment you make such an allegation, all of a sudden the ENTIRE universe becomes involved !

Either there are a lot of people who are trying to make excuses for their poor geographical knowledge or something weird is going on.

I'm tempted to think it's the former. However it's strange that other people also thing Australia and New Zealand are out of place.

reply to post by Pellevoisin


On "This" timeline there was a bombing conflict in Ireland in the 80.

The Brighton hotel bombing occurred on 12 October 1984 at the Grand Hotel in Brighton, England. The bomb was planted by Patrick Magee, a member of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA). It was intended to assassinate Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her cabinet, who were staying at the hotel for the Conservative Party conference.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

So this is coherent. But to take this Timeline Jump Theory more plausible your "jumpers" must give us more info from the other side....

Interesting. I must admit, I did used to have an image of New Zealand being north of Australia; but I simply put this down to the similarity of appearance between NZ and the Indonedia and Papua New Guinea islands and confused assumptions.

I'm not sure if there's anything else in this. Fascinating to consider though.

reply to post by cushycrux

On "This" timeline there was a bombing conflict in Ireland in the 80.

Yes there was... but the example you gave was in England!

Check out my reply on page 11 for bombs on the Irish mainland!

I think it may be possible to exist concurrently on more than one time line at once, and experience some differences which are the shared collective conciousness memories of some other version of you.

When you realise that physical matter is just vibrating energy and that our life experience is a hologram, then these 'way out' life memories don't seem implausable after all.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by margaretr]

Just one to throw in the mix.....My family are hoarders, we are also from Western Australia. We have atlases from when the grand parents were at school. NZ is SE always has been....people have to learn to read a map up the right way-seriously I don't know how it can be so hard, but obviously it is for some people......or as stated before, NZ is nw because its boxed on the map that way to save paper - but I can assure you NZ is SE of Australia or I would've gone there years ago
Rottnest Is. is off the coast near Perth, Abrolhos Is. are off the coast near Geraldton.
On the otherhand, I only know this cos I noticed it 15yrs ago at school and made a note myself.....Yes I believe Australia has drifted north. There used to be a greater distance from Aust-PNG, now its near nothing

[edit on 14-2-2010 by wickedwenchlet]

reply to post by wickedwenchlet


HOW!? THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT TIMELINE......(GET IT)

reply to post by Crito


You do realize that this is nothing more than theory don't you? You do know what a theory is... yes? With no way of confirming such 'theories' they are nothing more than glorified thought experiments.

Because some people want a Multiverse to exist doesn't make it so. Because it's exciting to think of a universe with multiple realities doesn't make it so.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about this, but at the end of the day you're left with a big fat nothing.

You can sight all the scientists you want, but not one of them can attest to the reality of their Multiverse/Alternate Reality theories. Not one!

So how can anyone else?

The way good science/investigation is practiced is that all the prosaic possibilities are eliminated first. Whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth. I have not seen one claimant on this thread do any such thing.

Do we see... "Oh.. perhaps I saw a bad map", or "Perhaps my memory on this matter isn't what I thought it was", or "Perhaps I was influenced by someone else's bad memory"? No we don't! There has not be one instance of rational thinking. Not one process of elimination!

Instead, all we see are leaps in logic and a whole bunch of fiction.

By all means prove me wrong! Map your process of elimination; share it with us; give me your empirical evidence and let it stand up to scrutiny. Show us your integrity!

If you cannot do that, then don't expect anyone to take you seriously and don't be mystified when people scoff & respect for your claims are not forthcoming.

IRM

[edit on 14/2/10 by InfaRedMan]

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Good luck mate, I've tried reason and logic and it seems to be thrown out the window in this thread. I even posted a map of Abel Tasman's voyage mapping the East coast of Australia, Tasmania and New Zealand - drawn in the early 1720's, and it has been totally ignored.

If there is ANY evidence supporting an alternate dimension, or timeline, or whatever the hell this thread is meant to be about, I implore the OP to PRESENT THE EVIDENCE. As far as I am concerned, there isn't even a modicum of truth to this, given that we are supposed to just TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD.

Jesus H. Christ, if we were to take everyone at their word we would still be living in a world that believes our planet is FLAT.

Present some evidence people, or this is all for naught.

reply to post by LastStandingMan


the map is right and that point has always been there..but i dont remember aust being as far north as it is! then again i havent looked since school!

Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
this thread is seriously disturbing.

On one hand there's a fair amount of ignorance in this thread. On the other, more interesting side, it is indeed interesting to think what if something was changed and humanity was conditioned to think it wasn't. Obviously it's easy enough to change history as we have seen in the past that the winners (of wars; literal, philosophical, religious - whatever) write their own history. How or why would anyone change the place of a land mass though?

Incidently, there are hundreds of years of history dating back showing Australia's proximity to Papa New Guinea. Also, as someone else touched on, New Zealand is the way it is because of it's geographical position. It would not have the same features if it were on the other side of Australia.

All that isn't to say I don't acknowledge that something that big isn't possible, who knows what is possible when we know so little about the Universe outside our own planet.

Oh and just to add, if you ever get the time to visit New Zealand I suggest you do, it's an amazing country.

Thanks for pointing this out OP. I too come from a timeline where New Zealand was to the west and aligned with the northern part of Australia. Also Australia was further east from Indonesia in the middle of the ocean. I was in advanced classes through school and have always been good with geography. Just because you have been on this timeline your whole life doesn't mean it isn't possible that others have somehow merged into this one. Funny how many people can have the same "false memories".

reply to post by tauristercus


The claimed dimensional 'sliders' have also failed to explain what happened to the 'them' that occupied this dimension when they arrived here from the other one.

Whoops!

I wonder if they've bothered to tell their families that they aren't the person their relatives think they are.

"Oh... by the way mum... I'm not really your son. He kinda puffed out of existence when I traveled here from another dimension". Sorry for the inconvenience and everything".

My bet is they haven't had this discussion with their families because deep down they know it's all bunk... which poses the deeper question of why they claim it on an internet web site.

Perhaps We Will Find The Answer Here?

IRM

Google earth is obviously wrong two countries just dont move a couple hundred miles over night..
Why is it that every time something seems different or out of place people on this site jump to conclusions and start screaming conspiracy.... im sick of it
Quit posting stupid pointless threads like this..
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Originally posted by Prisoner of Technology
Funny how many people can have the same "false memories".

No... It's not 'funny' at all. In fact, false memories are a completely normal part of human neurology. Try researching before alluding to something fantastical... or would that be too hard?

There is NO mystery here!

IRM

I'm beginning to think this has all come about because schools (at least when i was going to one) used a very distorted map of the world. Someone above already mentioned this. I know when we were given flat maps in geography on A4 paper i asked why it looked so different to the globe. The teacher simply replied that it fitted better on the paper that way.

The more interesting question is why someone can't accept that they either remember it incorrectly or they remember using a distorted map. I know the basic psychology behind someone refusing to move position, people will always try and stick to what they think they know but this one seems really very odd.