PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

reply to post by impressme


You should use NIST to your advantage. I have. Read through this thread.

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by Alfie1

 

So, you support NIST as well?
You will not find any answers to your questions from NIST.

I didn't mention NIST. My question was about the logic of rigging WTC 7 for cd and how the cd was to be concealed.

reply to post by THE AQUARIAN 1

You should use NIST to your advantage. I have. Read through this thread.

I do, by proving NIST is false and everyone knows that I bring the sources to the table to back my claims.

reply to post by Alfie1

So, you support NIST as well?
You will not find any answers to your questions from NIST.


I didn't mention NIST. My question was about the logic of rigging WTC 7 for cd and how the cd was to be concealed.

No one knows how WTC 7 was demolished we do not know exactly what kind of demolitions or explosives that were used or how it was rigged. But one thing we all do know is WTC 7 did not fall down the way NIST said it fell.

We have proved NIST is a fraud.

Now we need a new investigation, so we can hear from other scientists who do not support NIST fraudulent report.

Originally posted by impressme

Now we need a new investigation, so we can hear from other scientists who do not support NIST fraudulent report.

I have asked frequently here how that "new" investigation will ever come to fruition without answer.

Particularly since you would have to back up your claim that NIST's report is "fraudulent."

How do you think you'll ever be able to get a new investigation?

reply to post by jthomas

I have asked frequently here how that "new" investigation will ever come to fruition without answer.

Perhaps you should consider the OS as your truth.

For the rest of us who can think for ourselves, we do not buy into the proven lies.
How do you know what a new investigation will consist of, when it hasn’t happen yet?

Particularly since you would have to back up your claim that NIST's report is "fraudulent

I have back up my claims, perhaps you need to go back and read all my post in all my thread where I have given many credible sources and have shown scientific evidences that NIST report is a proven fraud.
However, I am not going to play your game, I have fed you enough.

How do you think you'll ever be able to get a new investigation?

Strength comes in numbers and our numbers are growing daily.

[color=gold]Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.
Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The poll also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

www.scrippsnews.com...

That poll was done in 2006, so I am sure the numbers have grown.

Not to mention, I did a poll on this and out of over 500 replies over 400 believe 911 was an inside job or the truth was covered up and only 20 people posted that the OS was true.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 12-4-2010 by impressme]

Originally posted by hgfbob

Originally posted by pteridine

Originally posted by hgfbob
it is NOT up to ANYONE to PROVE there were explosives and accelerants...it is up to the INVESTIGATORS to do a thorough investigation in the first place of the mass murder of 3000 innocents...and prove that NONE were used.....to further FOCUS the investigation and form the HYPOTHESIS through ELIMINATION

but THAT didn't happen...did it?

Actually, if someone makes a claim then it is up to them to prove the claim.
Proving a negative has always been a problem. Anyone could continue to demand proof that an infinite number of scenarios did not happen. Look up "Logical Fallacy" and you will see why your position is not tenable.

Exactly...NIST claims that NO explosives or accelerants were used..

so the proof/evidence rests with THEM...to offer a little more...than 'opinion'.

standard procedure that is done ANY OTHER TIME IN THIS COUNTRY on ANY structure that exhibits a violent ejection of gasses and debris......

just as we saw on BOTH towers

Perhaps you are confused. NIST says it found no evidence of explosives or accelerants. How can they offer more than that? Do you expect a list of what they didn't find? This will be a long list and why you are flirting with a logical fallacy.

reply to post by impressme


Your poll was not statistically valid because it was posted on a conspiracy website, frequented by those who like to believe conspiracies.

Originally posted by redgy
so how does using explosives, change the facts of resistance for freefall,

wouldn't there still be columns, floors, beams, walls for the building to still fall through.
It's not as if these explosions/charges laid could have disintergrated or weakened the building anymore so than the story of how the fires were the cause. Resistance will always be there. they did not freefall.

You can create a free fall if you blow away the floors a head of the collapse.

I am going to post a video and i want you to observe two very important things. www.youtube.com...

1. Observe the intact part of the building under the impact aria. That is a lot of resistance compare to something, like debris falling through AIR.

2. Observe the debris that is free falling beside the collapse in AIR. The building is falling at the same speed as the debris. And the whole building hits the ground at exactly the same time as the debris that is free falling through AIR.

reply to post by pteridine

Perhaps you are confused. NIST says it found no evidence of explosives or accelerants.

How could NIST have found any evidence when NIST openly admitted they never looked for it?

NIST is a proven fraud.

Your poll was not statistically valid because it was posted on a conspiracy website, frequented by those who like to believe conspiracies.

That is your opinion, and my poll reflected what people on ATS feel and it goes to show most people are not ignorant to the facts. Only 20 people out of hundreds said the OS was all-true, I found that quite amusing.

[color=gold]Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy

www.scrippsnews.com...

Noticed you didn’t comment on the above poll?




[edit on 13-4-2010 by impressme]

reply to post by impressme


There is no evidence that trutherism has grown since 2006, rather the reverse.

Here is a poll from just last month from which you will see that only 15 % considered controlled demolition at the WTC credible :-


www.angus-reid.com...

reply to post by Alfie1

There is no evidence that trutherism has grown since 2006, rather the reverse.

Here is a poll from just last month from which you will see that only 15 % considered controlled demolition at the WTC credible :-

Incredible! 15% of Americans who chose to answer the poll believe WTC was brought down by controlled demolition and 11% were undecided. That means 54 to over 90 million Americans believe that 911 was an inside job. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

www.angus-reid.com...

reply to post by impressme


That means that 15% of those that "chose to answer" find it plausible. This does not mean certain.

Maybe these people should be enlisted to sign your petition for a reinvestigation.

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by jthomas

 

I have asked frequently here how that "new" investigation will ever come to fruition without answer.

How do you know what a new investigation will consist of, when it hasn’t happen yet?

The question on the table is how do you expect to get a new investigation?

Particularly since you would have to back up your claim that NIST's report is "fraudulent.

I have back up my claims, perhaps you need to go back and read all my post in all my thread where I have given many credible sources and have shown scientific evidences that NIST report is a proven fraud.

Trying to convince me is not the issue. Trying to convince the responsible entity for a "new" investigation is the issue. How do you intend to do it?

How do you think you'll ever be able to get a new investigation?

Strength comes in numbers and our numbers are growing daily.

That doesn't tell us anything on how you think you can get a new investigation. What steps are you going to take? So far, there have been a handful of ineffective, symbolic petitions by some truth groups, but they do not produce any results.

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by pteridine

 

Perhaps you are confused. NIST says it found no evidence of explosives or accelerants.

How could NIST have found any evidence when NIST openly admitted they never looked for it?

I've already shown that studies to determine the chemical components of the dust had already long-since been done before the NIST investigation. No evidence of explosives was ever found.

reply to post by jthomas


Well its 9 years to late to do anything about your reports. So you can hide behind them quite safely.

Can you explain how the building could fall 226m to the ground in 7 seconds, by collapsing on it self. Because it did collapse form the bottom.

EDIT to add: My question is not how it collapsed. But how could it fall as fast as it did. I would really like to see your calculations on how it is possible.





[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by jthomas

 

Well its 9 years to late to do anything about your reports. So you can hide behind them quite safely.

Why would anyone have to hide from anything? The facts, evidence, methodologies, and conclusions of the NIST, ASCE, and FEMA investigations are available to everyone. FEMA, in its final report, even ASKED for there to be a larger, NIST investigation, and got one. Truthers make lots of claims about the investigations but those claims are never shown to be valid; the investigations remain unrefuted.

That leaves the 9/11 Truth Movement having to explain just how they expect to get a new investigation. I see nothing to suggest how the movement expects to get a new investigation.

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by jthomas

 

Well its 9 years to late to do anything about your reports. So you can hide behind them quite safely.

Why would anyone have to hide from anything? The facts, evidence, methodologies, and conclusions of the NIST, ASCE, and FEMA investigations are available to everyone. FEMA, in its final report, even ASKED for there to be a larger, NIST investigation, and got one. Truthers make lots of claims about the investigations but those claims are never shown to be valid; the investigations remain unrefuted.

That leaves the 9/11 Truth Movement having to explain just how they expect to get a new investigation. I see nothing to suggest how the movement expects to get a new investigation.

Well it really dosent matter what your report state if they cant explain or prove why the building hit the ground in 7 seconds. By collapsing from below.

The timing of the collapse is very important and should be very well documented in all your reports. Let me see them please?

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

9/11 wasn't an inside job.

19 hijackers really did get on 4 planes with box cutters.

A plane hit the pentagon.

The towers fell due to intense heat from a jet fuel fire.

WTC7 fell due to severe structural damage and fire as well.




All of those above have been proven. Everything any of you have ever stated to the contrary.......has NOT been proven.

Safe your breath.

Originally posted by SmittyPuffs

The towers fell due to intense heat from a jet fuel fire.

You should really check yourself. Not even the official story claims that the jet fuel was hot enough to cause the damage. The claim is that intense heat was reached due to burning office products, furniture, etc. You do not even know the story you claim is proven?

Tell you what. How about you show us where it was proven that the towers fell from the heat from JET FUEL FIRES. Can you do that?