PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

reply to post by GenRadek




"yeah and we also have firefighters who knew that WTC7 was severely damaged and was going to fall over by itself too"

Sigh. The building did not "fall over" though, did it? If you can honestly look at that building's collapse and obstinately refuse to even consider the fact that it has every earmark of a controlled demolition, then - well, that's your prerogative I guess.

Originally posted by longfade
reply to post by GenRadek

 

"yeah and we also have firefighters who knew that WTC7 was severely damaged and was going to fall over by itself too"

Yeah and as usual the debunkers cannot explain how the firefighters came to a conclusion that had no precedent in history.

They must have been psychic, or there were rumors floating around that 7 was going to be demolished, but not because it was on fire.
Or they heard it might collapse in localized sections due to damage.
There is no way they were running around saying it was going to completely globally collapse into it's footprint.

Not all firefighters are trained, or have enough real experience, to predict a 48 story building will just globally collapse into the path of most resistance due to fires. So just because you read somewhere that a firefighter said that, you really shouldn't just take it as gospel without considering other facts involved, such as global asymmetrical collapse which unfortunately contradicts your claims that it was a natural collapse from fires and asymmetrical damage.

I think you just take what the firefighters said way to literally.

Originally posted by ANOK
Yeah and as usual the debunkers cannot explain how the firefighters came to a conclusion that had no precedent in history.

Hmmm, perhaps they came to the conclusion after that precedent had been set by 2 collapsed 110 story skyscrapers collapsing from damage and fire just hours earlier.

But that would make too much sense now wouldn't it?

reply to post by ANOK

Yeah and as usual the debunkers cannot explain how the firefighters came to a conclusion that had no precedent in history.

Really, you mean in all of human history no burning building ever collapsed? Well, you learn something new every day.

They must have been psychic, or there were rumors floating around that 7 was going to be demolished, but not because it was on fire.

Or saw the thing leaning and then learned from a surveyor that it was, in fact, leaning. A real good indicator that something is going to fall.

Or they heard it might collapse in localized sections due to damage. There is no way they were running around saying it was going to completely globally collapse into it's footprint.

Yeah, like it matters HOW the building is going to collapse.

Not all firefighters are trained, or have enough real experience, to predict a 48 story building will just globally collapse into the path of most resistance due to fires. So just because you read somewhere that a firefighter said that, you really shouldn't just take it as gospel without considering other facts involved, such as global asymmetrical collapse which unfortunately contradicts your claims that it was a natural collapse from fires and asymmetrical damage.

NATURAL collapse?? Thats a pretty good one. Yeah, why should we take the word of someone who was right there on the scene at the time when we have such an expert here 9 years later to tell us what was really going on.

I think you just take what the firefighters said way to literally.

Do you think the firefighter was speaking metaphorically?

So, you think maybe when those firefighters were talking about explosions we shouldn't be taking them so literally?

reply to post by longfade


yeah every earmark except the hundreds of timed explosions needed to do it.

Show me a witness statement that claims there were hundreds of timed explosions... go on.


It doesn't even REALLY look like a demo.

It looks like a collapsing building... and that aint the same thing.

reply to post by weedwhacker


We've been over and over this. I just spent multiple pages on this forum discussing this about two weeks ago.

You need to read before you post.

reply to post by pteridine


So you're saying that paint binder had an accelerated combustion of 2800 degrees F?

reply to post by ANOK

Not all firefighters are trained, or have enough real experience, to predict a 48 story building will just globally collapse into the path of most resistance due to fires. So just because you read somewhere that a firefighter said that, you really shouldn't just take it as gospel without considering other facts involved, such as global asymmetrical collapse which unfortunately contradicts your claims that it was a natural collapse from fires and asymmetrical damage.

reply to post by ANOK

Not all firefighters are trained, or have enough real experience, to predict a 48 story building will just globally collapse into the path of most resistance due to fires. So just because you read somewhere that a firefighter said that, you really shouldn't just take it as gospel without considering other facts involved, such as global asymmetrical collapse which unfortunately contradicts your claims that it was a natural collapse from fires and asymmetrical damage.

reply to post by THE AQUARIAN 1


44 and counting...yeah, I skimmed, so shoot me!

Still, I have a major BURNING ( ) question:

HOW was the building 'rigged' for CD? WHEN? (OK, that was two).

Unless that can be answered adequately, then the title of this thread is false --- as to "proof".

But, congrats on all the attention! Love your hair, hope you win!

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by pteridine

 

So you're saying that paint binder had an accelerated combustion of 2800 degrees F?

Read carefully. The spheres were not iron; they were iron containing. No one knows where they were formed or their temperature of formation.

reply to post by ANOK

Not all firefighters are trained, or have enough real experience, to predict a 48 story building will just globally collapse into the path of most resistance due to fires. So just because you read somewhere that a firefighter said that, you really shouldn't just take it as gospel without considering other facts involved, such as global asymmetrical collapse which unfortunately contradicts your claims that it was a natural collapse from fires and asymmetrical damage.

I think you just take what the firefighters said way to literally.

Fire fighters dont have the experience to recognize a collapse?

Considering that when we enter a building its our butt on the line, we had better

Been to several classes and seminars which dealt with structural collapse
and am certified as Fire Ground Safety officer. My function, if designated, is to look for signs of collapse (in addition to other safety concerns)

My instructors were FDNY fire chiefs including some were at WTC on 9./11

They used the case of WTC 7 as example of how to recognize a collapse
situation - my instructor was there that day.

We are taught to recognize signs of impending collpase including
cracks in walls, soke poring out of odd locations , windows breaking, doors
floors out of plumb and time - unless can knockdown main body of fire
within certain time frame should evacuate.

One thing covered was use of surveyor transit fixed on point to give
warning of building beginning to move or creep as signs building is unstable.

At WTC the incident commander set up transit to watch for sign building is moving - by 2:30PM could see that structure was unsafe and ordered
at 3:00 pm collapse zone set up around WTC 7.

I was sitting in my firehouse in NJ on 9/11 listening toi radio transmissions
from scene - heard the orders to clear collapse zone being passed down

reply to post by pteridine


I think you're misunderstanding.

The nano-thermite that was tested had an accelerated combustion of 2800 degrees F. Does paint do that?

That's all I'm asking you.

reply to post by thedman


I suppose firefighters are taught the tenets of structural engineering as well?

reply to post by THE AQUARIAN 1


The real nano-thermite from Livermore, when ignited, was certainly above the melting point of iron.
The temperature of the burning paint chips in the DSC is unknown. The onset temperature is known but the flame temperature is not known.

reply to post by THE AQUARIAN 1



What is your point ?- fact that most firefighters dont have engineering
degrees so cant evaluate if building will collapse?


We are taught from day one that building collapse is the greatest killer
of firefighters.

First arriving unit on scene radios situation report . The officer in charge
as part of the report describes size of building and type of construction.

Are taught how each type of construction reacts under fire conditions

Taught how truss construction is a deadly hazard which can collapse
suddenly under fire conditions .

Five fire fighters from the Hackensack, New Jersey Fire Department
were killed while they were engaged in interior fire suppression efforts at
an automobile dealership when portions of the building's wood bowstring
truss roof suddenly collapsed.

Its called EXPERIENCE ! Such experience has been won at great cost -
thousands of men dead or maimed....

Originally posted by Soloist
Hmmm, perhaps they came to the conclusion after that precedent had been set by 2 collapsed 110 story skyscrapers collapsing from damage and fire just hours earlier.

Originally posted by hooper
Really, you mean in all of human history no burning building ever collapsed? Well, you learn something new every day.

You mean something that has never happend in the history of the US?

No steel skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire in the US, even though there have been steel buildings that burned a lot longer and had just as much or more structural damage then the towers.





[edit on 5-3-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by thedman
At WTC the incident commander set up transit to watch for sign building is moving - by 2:30PM could see that structure was unsafe and ordered
at 3:00 pm collapse zone set up around WTC 7.

I was sitting in my firehouse in NJ on 9/11 listening toi radio transmissions
from scene - heard the orders to clear collapse zone being passed down

Then you would agree that the incident commader could have only been talking about the building when he stated PULL IT, since the firemen were already out of the building.

I'm curious to what the OS believers think caused WTC 7 to collapse?

reply to post by thedman


This isn't proof of anything though. It's a speculation from educated individuals on the sight. That is all, nothing more.