PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

reply to post by dereks


Sorry, but there is plenty of first-hand evidence that explosions were going off all over the place, particularly in the twin towers:



And also, how did the guys from Israel actually know there would be terrorist attacks that day, so they could be there to "document it" as they admitted on Israeli television?



Could it be this?



Perhaps you all should see this series which discusses the larger conspiracy (30-year conspiracy?) if you haven't already:

Listen, World Trade Center was being condemned because of asbestos and had a certain window of opportunity to fix the problem. So there alone, would be THAT motive.

reply to post by TwoPhish



Not only that, but Larry Silverstein was told by investors and contractors that it would be cheaper to demo the buildings than to rewire them with current technology.

The bomb sniffing dogs were pulled from the buildings a month prior to 9/11.

Also, Larry Silverstein took out a double insurance policy to cover not one but both towers and he just happened to insure them against "terror attacks" which just so happened that year.

Tenants and employees in the Trade Center reported seeing and hearing construction going on in vacant floors, one person working there even reported walking into one of these rooms with construction going on by accident and saw a dozen men working away in white outfits and no logos. The person said they were kind of shocked and almost a little nervous to have walked in on them, said it didn't look or feel right!
(there are the nano-thermite charge setters)

And no one ever talks anymore about the fact that in early 2001 a relative of George W. Bush was one of the heads of the very company that provided "security" for the "World Trade Center" - No matter how you try to paint that (relative of George W. Bush), it seems more than coincidence, that is a pretty big compartmentalization "piece"!


"Compartmentalization" is how they pulled it off - little pieces on the Global Order Chess Board - not knowing each other - but doing their part none the less!

What about the interview with Aaron Russo the director - approached by a "ROCKEFELLER" who was a so called friend and was told that an event was going to happen very soon that would change the U.S. and their policy, give them power and control over the people and eventually everyone would be micro-chipped!
Aaorn Russo - 10 minutes on Rockefeller


And what really ticks me off - is here you have these Israeli's (MOSAD) video taping the 9/11 event - meaning they knew it was going to happen and that they admit it in the interview (video in above post response)
That they claim they have been attacked for years and wanted to tape United States citizens dying and screaming in terror - in other words feeling their years of pain.

And now we are at war with Islam and the Middle East - the very people who Israel claims was attacking them.

So they knew the attack was coming, video taped it, and wanted us to see how it feels to be attacked by terrorists from the Middle East!

Gee - I am starting to get the picture - why did 9/11 happen - how did the Isaraelis know it was going to happen and be there in advance of the attack?

And now we are in an endless war as well as setting up permanent bases against their sworn enemy!

Again - coincidence?

I think I am going to be sick!

[edit on 13-2-2010 by arizonascott]

reply to post by downisreallyup


Videos of breaking windows during a building collapse is not "PROOF" of anything other than windows break during building collapse.

Originally posted by arizonascott
one person working there even reported walking into one of these rooms with construction going on by accident and saw a dozen men working away in white outfits and no logos.

Valid source for that claim?

And no one ever talks anymore about the fact that in early 2001 a relative of George W. Bush was one of the heads of the very company that provided "security" for the "World Trade Center"

no one talks about it anymore because it was just another truther lie!
Marvin Bush was never the head of security at the WTC.

Marvin Bush was on the Board of Directors, of a company called Securacom.

Securacom got the $8.3 million World Trade Center security contract in October 1996 and received about $9.2 million from the WTC job from 1996 to 1998. But in 1998, the company was "excused from the project" because it could not fulfill the work, and the electronic security work at the WTC was taken over by EJ Electric, a larger contractor

No matter how you try to paint that (relative of George W. Bush)

You paint it as just another truther lie!

[edit on 13/2/10 by dereks]

reply to post by dereks


Compartmentalization - no valid direction for source

Larry Silverstein

Reuters further reports: The Allianz spokeswoman said the insurer had already paid almost $US2 billion ($A2.56 billion) in claims from the World Trade Center disaster, settling with all its policy holders except for Silverstein and the Port Authority.

Marvin Pierce Bush

In spring 1999, Marvin Pierce Bush, youngest brother of George W. Bush, was a nominee for the boards of directors of two companies, both with a significant interest in security at the World Trade Center. One was HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Company, a giant holding company and major insurance carrier for the center. The other was a security company named Stratesec, one of the center's numerous security contractors.

Cover on top of cover - no loose ends - it was almost perfect - except the holes in the weak official story and the physical traces to be found - um - and everywhere you look and on any background checking on factual evidence like Silverstein and Marvin Bush!

You don't look because you want to remain blind - if you had you would have also seen these things - you don't read, look or anything else - it is just instant rubish because heads are buried in the sand.

How about you tell me how a plane vaporizes when the Pentagon is "supposedly hit" - no luggage - no anything - yet they find the passport of one of the hijackers completely intact on the ground. Have you ever even bothered to look that up? Have you ever bothered to look at anything with an open mind?

Too many questions - with no clear answers!

[edit on 13-2-2010 by arizonascott]

Sure, there we no sounds before the structure fell, but remember the Military is on average 20-25 years ahead of us especially in weaponry.

[edit on 13-2-2010 by Paradox.]

Originally posted by Paradox.
but remember the Military is on average 20-25 years ahead of us especially in weaponry.

Care to name some things the military is 20-25 years ahead of civilians in?

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by arizonascott
one person working there even reported walking into one of these rooms with construction going on by accident and saw a dozen men working away in white outfits and no logos.

Valid source for that claim?

And no one ever talks anymore about the fact that in early 2001 a relative of George W. Bush was one of the heads of the very company that provided "security" for the "World Trade Center"

no one talks about it anymore because it was just another truther lie!
Marvin Bush was never the head of security at the WTC.

No, but Wirt Walker was, and Mr. Walker is also a relative of George "Walker" Bush.

Marvin Bush was on the Board of Directors, of a company called Securacom.

Securacom got the $8.3 million World Trade Center security contract in October 1996 and received about $9.2 million from the WTC job from 1996 to 1998. But in 1998, the company was "excused from the project" because it could not fulfill the work, and the electronic security work at the WTC was taken over by EJ Electric, a larger contractor

You got that from a single source and have not checked your sources very well. There is much more to this story than the simple partial tidbit you provided.

No matter how you try to paint that (relative of George W. Bush)

You paint it as just another truther lie!

[edit on 13/2/10 by dereks]

Just a bunch of "truster" errors (notice I didn't say "lies" like you do, since I'm not interested in ad hominem attacks or character attacks... that seems to be something "trusters" like to do, but it only serves to undermine your position)... anyhow, I digress...

Here is a snippet from an article written by Margie Burns of the The Progressive Populist:

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." Yet instead of being investigated, the company and companies involved with it have benefited from legislation pushed by the Bush White House and rubber-stamped by Congressional Republicans. Stratesec, its backer KuwAm, and their corporate officers stand to benefit from limitations on liability and national-security protections from investigation provided in bills since 9/11.

Source

And since you love to ask "where is the valid source" I will cut you off right there and simply say this... no source that supports a "truther" point of view will EVER be valid for you, so it is just a waste of time for you to continue wasting your time asking for it... I have provided sourced material from a newspaper that follows journalistic principles not commonly found any more in the media... to quote their own website:

THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST, a newspaper that believes people are more important than corporations, premiered in November 1995 as a monthly tabloid publication based in Storm Lake, Iowa, with editorial offices in Austin, Texas. In October 1999 it expanded to twice-monthly publication. In 2005, the editorial offices were moved a few miles south, to Manchaca, Texas. The Progressive Populist reports from the heartland of America on issues of interest to workers, small-business owners and family farmers and ranchers. It serves as "The People's Voice in a Corporate World."

Source


[edit on 13-2-2010 by downisreallyup]

Another real hard thing to explain with conventional explanation is the solid steel spire disintegrating before our very eyes. This video shows something that really should not be, and yet it fully explains why the air at ground zero was filled with pulverized dust, and why there was so little metal found at the collapse site, as compared to the amount of metal that was actually part of the building, including all the furnishings.

Watch this video carefully, slowly, and perhaps several times so you can fully comprehend what you are seeing.



Here is another view that shows the entire event, from the time the spire appears, during the entire time it hung there as solid metal, and then its mysterious disintegration into fine steel dust:



What is important to realize about this is that the spire of steel which is sticking up there just turns to dust before our eyes, after the building has fallen, and after all visible forces have ceased. What force is occurring in that area that could turn solid steel into dust, causing its molecules to simply fall apart? If what happened to that spire is actually what happened to the entire building, that seems to explain much more completely what we witnessed both during and after the demolition occurred.


[edit on 13-2-2010 by downisreallyup]

reply to post by downisreallyup


What about the Aaron Russo video - his "friend" Rockefeller and the "fact" that "Nick Rockefeller" told Aaron Russo in late 2000 that the "Elite" meaning Bilderburg Meeting attendees - you know - where they plan things behind closed doors - were going to have/stage an event, that would get them into Iraq, and that it would give them more control over the populous and that eventually they would have everyone chipped.

You never mention anything about that - because Aaron Russo is right there - on video - telling it to you from his mouth!

And who the hell is Securacom? It was Stratesec - who doesn't have their stories straight?

Wikipedia - Stratesec "The company went public on October 2, 1997 on the American Stock Exchange but was delisted in 2002". Look it up, learn something.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by arizonascott]

Originally posted by downisreallyup
You got that from a single source and have not checked your sources very well.

I did check my sources, and if you had checked sources you would have found
ewweb.com...
"Nine electricians from E-J Electric Installation Co. escaped from the World Trade Center before the 110-story Twin Towers collapsed.
Penton Media - Electrical Wholesaling, Click Here!

“We had a total of 12 people down there, nine of whom were working that day,” said Tony Mann, president of E-J Electric, Long Island City, N.Y. “Thank God all of them got out alive. We were lucky. New York has been a war zone. It's unbelievable what's been going on here.”

E-J Electric, which had a satellite office in Tower 2, built and maintained the World Trade Center's entire security system. On the morning of Sept. 11, the electricians were doing routine maintenance work when the first hijacked commercial airliner slammed into Tower 1.

So you can see that the company Bush was on the board of, Securacom, did not have the contract for security, exactly like I said!

More "truther" quality research that was shown to be wrong!

Originally posted by shasta9600
If you don't think TPTB are AT LEAST 20 years ahead of what's in the mainstream,

So you cannot show anywhere the military is 20-25 years in advance of civilians, just more "truther" lies!

undeniable evidence video.

if you don't want to watch whole video then go fast forward to 3:45. there it go BINGO.

it support that they are there for demolition. twin towers+ WTC building 7+ video truck demolition = wake up people!!!

www.youtube.com...

i dunno how to make show youtube here. please someone do it for me thanks.


[edit on 14-2-2010 by DeafRaz]

reply to post by dereks


Perhaps Securacom was contrated through Stratesec - since compartmentalization is the key - it would make sense that Stratesec, being security planning and strategy employed Securacom for a specific security detail.

There are many ways to look at all the information - that is the problem - so much of it and no clear definition of this or that.

The 9/11 petition signed by thousands of respected professionals with educational doctrines is now making some serious noise, so we may still get another shot at unraveling the real "Truth" of this thing and a new court heard unbiased 'independent" investigation!

Wouldn't it be nice to one day sit these "fat cats" on the stand and make 'em talk! Nothing a little water boarding wouldn't help.

WWW.debunking911myths.com

Please if you're a truther just read this, I have read your links and watched your videos. Read a different viewpoint for once and keep an open mind.

The response to an anti-truther post is always you just haven't researched enough. Well have you researched the other side at all?

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by downisreallyup
You got that from a single source and have not checked your sources very well.

I did check my sources, and if you had checked sources you would have found
ewweb.com...
"Nine electricians from E-J Electric Installation Co. escaped from the World Trade Center before the 110-story Twin Towers collapsed.
Penton Media - Electrical Wholesaling, Click Here!

“We had a total of 12 people down there, nine of whom were working that day,” said Tony Mann, president of E-J Electric, Long Island City, N.Y. “Thank God all of them got out alive. We were lucky. New York has been a war zone. It's unbelievable what's been going on here.”

E-J Electric, which had a satellite office in Tower 2, built and maintained the World Trade Center's entire security system. On the morning of Sept. 11, the electricians were doing routine maintenance work when the first hijacked commercial airliner slammed into Tower 1.

So you can see that the company Bush was on the board of, Securacom, did not have the contract for security, exactly like I said!

More "truther" quality research that was shown to be wrong!

If you had done your research or even looked at the video I linked for you and others, you would have seen that first of all SecuraCom was renamed to Stratesec, so you continuing to call it by its old name is just more "truster" errors coming to light.

Secondly...

According to its (Stratesec) present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

Source

So, no Dereks, you are not correct in assuming that Stratesec had nothing more to do with the towers after June of 2000 (which is when Bush's involvement was over). Like I mentioned, and which you never addressed (like you never address someone when they prove you wrong), Mr. Walker, as in George "WALKER" Bush, was the head of Stratesec, and very much in a position to make things happen.

Here is another very interesting bit of "dot connecting" regarding all these players that were somehow connected to the 9/11 events:

More dot connecting...

Click here to learn more about this warning.

I'm gonna stop calling these folks Truthers and start calling them Faithers.

This thread is EXACTLY why rational people stopped believing these 9/11 conspiracies:

+ Crackpot theories with no proof
+ Paranoid ravings about secret society
+ Dozens of contradictory theories
+ Nonsensical claims about advanced technology, with no proof
+ Endless repeats of debunked claims
+ No rational responses to sceptics questions
+Over reliance on ridiculous YouTube footage
+Anger and paranoid accusations aimed people that disagree, including other Faithers


You Faithers really need to sort out your movement. Cause this # is weak.

reply to post by The X


Man, you need to learn how to use google.

You claim to be rational, but use Stubblebine as your go to guy:

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

He believed he could walk through walls and tried.

"A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a US military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He encouraged visitors to his office to walk through walls and has said that the ability to do so is a great idea, but that it would also be a disappointment, similar to levitation.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats[6], where he is described as firmly believing that he himself can walk through walls."


More Faither bull#.

If you want the world to listen to you, don't use this loon as your go to guy.

I love how you say, "ignore non-believers" and "believe this crackpot".

No wonder the movement is so retarded.