Extraterrestrials in Judaism and Islam

you can't "learn" anything, that a teacher hasn't taught/been through yourself. In this case, regarding this topic (God and Aliens), there are NO teachers, only speculators, duh. until God comes to us and says this is how it is, and aliens (if they exists) come to humankind and explain themselves to us, IT'S ALL SPECULATION!!!! We can all make assumptions....so, how can wisdom be attained from speculating? WISDOM IS THE APPLICATION OF THINGS LEARNED; APPLYING WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED FROM LIFE. Therefor, how is it applicable to say that anyone is wise from learning about aliens, unless the aliens have taught you themselves???

Okay... Then explain how it is applicable that anyone is wise, from learning about God, unless God himself has taught them? (which can not be proven that it has ever happened) Yet they call religious leaders wise. Maybe they should all rethink what they think that they know.

The holy texts, I use the generalized term to refer to all religions, are understood purely on interpretation. People say that God spoke to them, but with no witness to attest to the fact it is a non event.

The possibility exists that the holy texts, were taught to us by aliens that people saw as God(s). The possibility also exists, that this is no more than mass delirium, The possibility further exists that God taught the lessons.

This is a site for opinions, based on interpretations of historical, & current, events and data.

Some on here are completely unbelievable to me, but only because I was not there to witness myself. Which is exactly what all religion is...... Take it on faith or leave it.

Originally posted by zilch
great topic..
i will add on the jinn topic as you mention it..
first its not spiritual...they are creature just like human live in this world among us..

My understanding is that "jinn" are non-physical beings and not really "extraterrestrial" but more like what we in the west would call "astral" or "interdimensional". (?)

Originally posted by pumpkinorange
As clarification, the Bible doesn't confirm many physical worlds: only one. It also confirms a spiritual or non-physical realm with many things in it, i.e. "principalities and powers". But this doesn't necessarily mean "many, many worlds".

Whether physical or non-physical, its still many-worlds. What exactly all these Kingdoms and Dominions are is a matter of Discussion,no?

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Originally posted by Nichiren
OP,

Is it ok to post from the Buddhist Lotus Sutra? Don't want to hijack your thread.

Sure. I wanted to do Buddhism+Hinduism and ETs for another thread, but no harm is done posting relevant passages here.

Thanks for asking.

Originally posted by seattletruth

[15:16] We placed galaxies in the sky, and adorned it for the beholders.

[15:18] If any of them sneaks around to listen, a clear flaming fire will chase him back.
[15:19] As for the earth, we constructed it, and placed on it stabilizers, and we grew on it a perfect balance of everything.

[37:10] If any of them ventures to charge the outer limits, he gets struck with a flaming fire of piercing brightness.

These verses combined make quite the defensive weapons-system.

Ancient-texts are indeed full of what sounds like science-fiction

Originally posted by redhead57
I recently read in one of the Examiners that the LDS church would be the least affected were disclosure to happen. Interesting.

My understanding is that Mormons are fine not only with spiritual realms and different heavens but also with life on other planets, ETs and even ancient-astronauts.

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Originally posted by Ridhya

Notice the Torah's 18000 and I find all religion's 'worlds' are 7 or 9 or multiples of 9, so I tend to think they are mathematical allegory for something such as infinance because 9 times anything results in digits that add to 9.

Interesting Observation, worth re-posting right here.

my opinion is "god" made all the relgions of the earth to see if humanity could really figure it out and work together, think of it as a test, and if you fail the test your species isn't worth #

if humanity were to figure it out and say "hey there is no need for me to kill you, we are the same" then that would be a major breakthrough but this is realtiy "I WANT YOUR OIL SO IM GOING TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY" "your relgion is differnt and thus i have to kill you because my god told me to" it goes to show how gulible and closed minded people really are, think about this logically, do you want such a terrible race to continue the way it is?

earth dies humanity dies, humanity dies the earth lives, you get what I'm trying to tell you?

an alien race would most likely deal in logic (logical thinking) so if we fail 'the test" then....your basiclly all screwed
if you still dont understand watch the movie "the day the earth stood still" you would be suprised how reailstic of an idea that actully is.

Just because you dont see massive spaceships in the sky doesnt mean they aren't aware of what we are doing to the planet

all relgions are the same, as are the people of the world are all the same, skin color doesn't make a differnce/
"it doesnt matter what relgion your in, or what nation you are from and one day it wont even matter what planet you are from, we are all the same"

Originally posted by infinite
It should be noted, especially in Europe, the main Abrahamic religions are holding joint conferences and referring to themselves, collectively, as "believers"-not Jews, Muslims or Christians.

They are recognizing their commonalities in comparison to non-believers slowly but surely. If these three can get over their feud things will go more smoothly for the world.

The OP was meant to hint at the commonalities.

Originally posted by nycfrog27
I just want to say that I love how almost everyone here knows everything!

Thank you for the hilarious post, I agree with every point made. We`re a conceited bunch

Originally posted by Anthony1138
my opinion is "god" made all the relgions of the earth to see if humanity could really figure it out and work together, think of it as a test, and if you fail the test your species isn't worth #

Yes, and its a pretty easy excercise to compare notes between religions, I dont understand why some seem incapable of it to the point of rejecting other Religions entirely.

Originally posted by NotOfThisGalaxy
All of these religions talk about a god that desires worship and adherence to a certain belief system. I think that anyone who gives you a belief system is your enemy.

Thats not really what this thread is about. Its about knowledge of ETs or space travel or other planetes being woven into ancient knowledge.

reply to post by Skyfloating
The more I hear of these Jinn things the more they sound just like the ufo orbs. Some of these appear like fire (amber/orange foo fighters type) and even appear to have smoke coming off them.

Originally posted by nycfrog27
you can't "learn" anything, that a teacher hasn't taught/been through yourself. In this case, regarding this topic (God and Aliens), there are NO teachers, only speculators, duh. until God comes to us and says this is how it is, and aliens (if they exists) come to humankind and explain themselves to us, IT'S ALL SPECULATION!!!!

You are supposing that we are not souls who have been through millions of lifetimes, galaxies, worlds and seen it all.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
The New Age movement is attempting to use all religious texts and beliefs to find the truth.

Exactly. Most either hate the religious or hate jews or hate muslims or hate christians, while us new-agers are trying to elicit wisdom by exploring everything with a wide-open mind.

reply to post by pumpkinorange


The Pleides and Orion, This is the bible talking about the pleides star system,and the orion star system ? The other worlds you couldnt find!
Remember ,you said the bible doesnt mention any other star system,off world planets , i proved you wrong ,so i gave myself a touchdown, and got 3 stars for it Yeah Baby ! Only cause im sick of people who claim they read the bible ,but dont really,ya know what i mean , im a reader !!God talking to job was what we call a little side note , extra ciricular learning !

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Thats the oldest arguement out there without really knowing about the reading side of things, That used to be my arguement too,before i was saved frm this world , I used it cause it was impressive sounding , but thats all it is ,impressive sounding, like a loud fart , only farts stink, catch my drift , oh by the way , not everyones fart stink , but i choose substance over impressive , otherwise ya everyones favourite quoter , What i mean is, second hand quoting is what your words are , heard it, but i deny it as a non truth , okay friend ,blessings .

Stop Farting in public !lol

reply to post by NotOfThisGalaxy


When you were a child ,did you love your Parents ?
When you did something wrong,did you fear your parents ?
Did you still love them even though they punished you?
Did they still love you after you were punished?
If the answer is yes , then ,Fear can be a healthy thing , allllllrighty then !!!

Originally posted by pumpkinorange

Originally posted by Misoir
Absolutely amazing! I honestly believe that the best way for the western world of Abraham religions to truly develop is to mix our 3 religions together; Islam, Christianity, Judaism. Imagine the vast knowledge that would be learned by mixing 3 books into 1 book and 1 religion.

There are very important areas of disagreement that exceed the commonalities. But you could learn about all three yourself, rather than proposing others give up their beliefs.

Look at it this way pumpkin, If their is no world peace ,world order , the saviour cant come back !! Sooo, let em unite , that way , jesus will return faster , denying this only prolongs the coming , Touchdown again !!!
The bible says ,when these contentions start happening in the world (what we see now a dayz) rejoice,the hour is at hand for my return,Yippeeee!! No Fear BaBy, Thats the jist of it right there !!! One Love My Pumpkin !!