Did Iran Just Test a Nuke?

reply to post by CharlesMartel


He never made that boast. It was a dodgy translation that people supporting Israel (or simply hating Iran) have trotted, ignorantly, around the internet.

reply to post by Solace


According to Ukraine, Iran has 12 of those missiles, not thousands.

reply to post by Blayde


They're enriching uranium, and 20% is sufficient for (albeit poor) nuclear weapons.

Iran hasn't threatened Israel, but Israel sure as hell has threatened Iran. Iran has a right to nuclear power, and if it has an untamed beast like Israel in its neighbourhood, it having nuclear weapons seems awfully sensible.

The U.S and our allies are in the best possible strategic position concerning Iran. We basically have them surrounded. Let them try to launch a missile at Israel. Iran would be lit up like a candle.

If Iran was a peaceful country and had nice, normal leaders, nobody would be bothered in the slightest if they wanted clean energy!

But unfortunately, that's not the case and they are far from being peaceful!

They admit they support, finance and supply the Muppets in Gaza and Lebanon / Syria.

By giving them rockets and bombs to blow up people from Israel effectively makes them at war and what do you expect Israel to do about it, nothing?

Get real! I don't blame them for hitting them back occasionally.

What would any other country do in Israel's position, exactly the same!

I am not religious, just stating the facts, they're in front of you and very easy to see.

Enough said!

Originally posted by Blayde
To answer your question, No, they did'nt just test a nuke.

First off, if they were at the point of being able to produce weapons grade material, we wouldnt be having this conversation, Israel would have already flattened them. Israel knows far more than you or I about Iran, as it's their business to know, its literally life or death for them.

Secondly, they (iran) are still years away from being able to enrich plutonium to weapons grade. They've only just arrived at the point where they can enrich it to 20% which is what you need for civilian use (power stations, medical isotopes, etc). For weapons grade you need to enrich to 80%. It's taken them well over a decade (maybe even two) to get to the point where they can enrich to 20%, and you think they can magically jump to 80% enriched? They dont even have the machiney for that yet.

Thirdly, if they had enough weapons grade plutonium for a bomb, and bear in mind you have to work your behind off and then some to get enough for a bomb, do you think they would risk wasting that on a test? If rhetoric is to be believed, the very moment they're good to go, they're good to go! They wont have enough for a test bomb AND an operational bomb to threaten Israel with......in the timescales we're talking about, its one or the other.....test or flatten israel - and thats assuming they are at the stage where they can enrich to 80%, which they are not, because as I said earlier, if they were, Israel would have already burned them into green glass.

Sensationalism and scaremongery was one of the reasons I left this site and no longer wished to post here. I see that not much changes, which is a shame, because I have seen 1 or 2 posts on here recently (the Norway spiral post for one) which were really well researched and well put together.....I suggest you do research to that scale and quality and then maybe you can be taken seriously.

They have just announced they can enrich it at 80% without problem. It is in all media since 2 days. When a country announce something, they have generally some advance on what they say. In North Korea they didn't even tell they could enrich it that they were tasting the bomb. Don't think that America is much more advanced than the rest of the world, it is true only in Hollywood! If you just look the informations, you will see that you are very late in many things and not so rich, but somewhat very arrogant (even with Europa!). Remember that you where the last segregationist and racist country in the world, USA is very late in many things and you don't seem to remark it.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Blayde

 

They're enriching uranium, and 20% is sufficient for (albeit poor) nuclear weapons.

Iran hasn't threatened Israel, but Israel sure as hell has threatened Iran. Iran has a right to nuclear power, and if it has an untamed beast like Israel in its neighbourhood, it having nuclear weapons seems awfully sensible.

I'd love to see your source for the 20% claim. It is generally thought, and taught, that 90% U-235 is needed. For instance, see the Federation of American Scientists factsheet at www.fas.org...
And apropos of Israel threatening Iran:
If you see a angry dog, covered in mange and open wounds, hunkered down in the corner, growling, teeth bared, and frothing at the mouth, it's a pretty safe assumption that if you were to charge over there and poke it in the nose it's going to bite you. So if you decide to march on over to that dog, who was not coming after you before you approached it, and poke it in the nose and he bites you...don't blame the dog. He did exactly what you expected he would.pscytheology.blogspot.com...

If Iran tested a nuke they would be the first to brag about it. In fact, they might just set off some high explosives in the ground and claim it was a nuke. Ahmadinajad loves to rattle his saber.

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C'était un poteau rempli par fait merveilleux. dites-svp nous davantage, mes ami
Edit to add English, even though the poster is from France: What a wonderful fact filled post. Please tell us more, my friend.

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reply to post by 4nsicphd


In English please!

T&C apply

Originally posted by Solace
reply to post by l neXus l

 

I certainly hope that Iran tested a NUKE, but they won't need it to wipe out Zionist Israel when the time comes, none too soon, I pray...

Nobody talks about Iran's cruise missiles they replicated from the KH-55 they bought from Ukraine a while back. Now, Iran has thousands of these accurate little gems that are nearly impossible to detect or shoot down...

www.irandefence.net...

The elimination of the Zionist state will surely be a welcome breath of fresh air in the Middle-East...

And perhaps the bought-out US politicians will be able to start focusing the well being of US citizens instead of doing Israel's bidding against the US very own interests...

Btw, there is overwhelming evidence that Iran has had nuclear weapons for at least 15 years:

www.irandefence.net...



[edit on 15-2-2010 by Solace]

Your source document says the Kh-55 is "very difficult"to shoot down, not "nearly impossible". And the Raduga Kh-55 is only 20 inches in diameter which is wide enough to carry a sophisticated, refined small 200kiloton nuke.
I would doubt that a rudimentary gun-type uranium first attempt device would fit. America's first attempt at this kind of nuke was 58 inches in diameter and weghed 8900 pounds. And that was for only a 15-16 kT nuke.www.strategic-air-command.com... The Kh-55 has a max launch weight of 3300 pounds. www.economicexpert.com...:Kh:55.html.
And it is questionable whether Iran has a delivery aircraft for the 3300 p0ound missile. The Azarakhsh (Thunder) , Irans most advan ced fighter bomber, is a reverse engineered Nlorthrup F-5B. Missile capability is only 2200 pounds.

I humbly submit this information for consideration:
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ARTICLE:
Iran needs Six Months for nuclear weapon test, Diplomats say (Monday July, 20, 2009)
gsn.nti.org...

Neutron Initiators (NI) are required in "advanced" nuclear weapons compared to "primitive gun barrel" weapons. Logically, would it follow that a country capable of investing in and experimenting with "NIs" be capable of producing at least "primitive" weapons?... and would an NI be useful if you had no Plutonium?
gsn.nti.org...

Design and Materials-Reference Detail
www.nti.org...

As a Registered Professional Engineer of 30yrs that went to school with Iranian Engineering students in the USA in the early 70s, I can tell you that they were as capable as any.

Best regards,
M

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When you find a conflict, check your premises.
One of them is wrong.

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reply to post by davesidious


You need to spruce up on your reading skills:

Iran reverse engineered 12 KH-55 cruise missiles bought from Ukraine and these terrain hugging sleek babies have a 3000 kilometers range and deliver either a 200 kilotons nuke or a 1000 pounds High Explosive warhead within a circle 165 yards in diameter...

www.irandefence.net...

Cruise missiles can be engineered by a handyman in a garage, as all the parts, including the motors are available off the shelf...

Iran has thousands of them - at least 12 of which with nuclear tips - ready to unleash on Israel and US bases in the Middle-East: looking forward to see the carnage and termination of Zion...

With such a large numbers of missiles launched all at once, the kill rate is likely to be far less that 1 in 10...

As for the US 5th Fleet, they're as good as dead ducks in a Persian pond, thanks to the supersonic ship killer missiles, Sunburn, Sizzler and Yakhont Russia sold to Iran a while back...

From detection to impact, 15 to 20 seconds is just not enough to devise an effective counter solution...

There is NO VIABLE protection against Iran's Mach 2.5 supersonic anti-ship missiles and the situation is so bad that the Pentagon chief tester wants to stop building large ships...

McQueary, head of the Pentagon's testing office, raised his concerns about the absence of Navy test plans for the missile in a Sept. 8, 2006, memo to Ken Krieg, undersecretary of defense for acquisition. He also voiced concerns to Deputy Secretary England.

In the memo, McQuery said that unless the Sizzler threat was addressed, his office wouldn't approve test plans necessary for production to begin on several other projects, including Northrop Grumman Corp.'s new $35.8 billion CVN-21 aircraft-carrier project; the $36.5 billion DDG-1000 destroyer project being developed by Northrop and General Dynamics Corp.; and two Raytheon Corp. projects, the $6 billion Standard Missile-6 and $1.1 billion Ship Self Defense System.

www.bloomberg.com...


It will get far worse when the next anti-ship missiles generation capable of Mach 6, such as the Brahmos2 is put into service: then all large US ships will become useless DINOSAURS...

Russia and India have teamed up to jointly develop a new generation missile. The BrahMos2 missile will be able to move at more than five times the speed of sound making it virtually impossible to intercept. An all purpose tactical missile which has already been developed as part of the project and travels at the speed of 920 meters per second 290 kilometers away has been used by the Indian army since June 2006.

english.ruvr.ru...

Time to eat a little humble pie for all the raving Zionists and other US Lunatics bent on destroying Iran...








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reply to post by 4nsicphd


The 12 KH-55 were bought from Ukraine with 200 kilotons nuclear heads, according to the Cypriot arms dealer - that is before his throat got slashed...

4 of these missiles would be sufficient to render Israel uninhabitable for a very long time...

When Iran says it's not building any atomic bomb, it's telling the truth: it doesn't need to, because it has already bought all the ready-made A-bombs all it will ever need for the foreseeable future...





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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by kid_of_3NKi

 

Are you out of your mind about Iran having nukes?I don't believe
for a minute that any nuke technology they have would be for energy
use only.They will build bombs and either bomb the U.S. or Israel.

Iran wont attack Israel unless Israel attacks Iran 1st and the Iranians definately dont have the capaciity to attack the US with nuclear weapons.

How can you be so certain Iran won't attack Israel first??? They have stated that before their "god" can return, Israel must be destroyed. I'm of the opinion that Iran WILL attack Israel and will deny it to prevent it from being destroyed by the west. I don't think they would use rocket technology, but more of a dirty bomb type of thing where the nuke is placed in Israel by a terrorist and remotely detonated.

Very nice post, Nexus. I hope to god you're wrong, though lol If Iran truly has Nuclear weapons the U.N. should take immediate action.... Yeah... I won't hold my breath either

All I know is, something big is about to happen on a global scale.

Very interesting i will be keeping an eye on this one

Some facts :

On thursday 11 February 2010 : Iran announce they can enrich uranium at 80% with a great success. They also say that they will produce uranium enriched at 20% for civil usages (electricity) and that they won't follow the united nations interdictions. Their program in civil use is advanced and operational. In a few years or months they will produce a great quantity of nuclear electricity (Omer Simpson said : Mmm, it's good for do-nuts (well ok, it's Omer Simpson, son of Simple))

On Wednesday 15 : Iran drop his first experimental missile that can transport a nuk bomb but originally made to transport satellites. It seems to be successful. But Iran announce that they will sell their uranium (70%) to Russia and then France in order to transform their uranium for a medical research in Teheran just like AIEA recommended it in 2009. That Uranium will only have medical use. Brazil, Turkey and Japan would be some of the countries that will buy that medical uranium. But France, USA and Germany are still suspicious about the ability of Iran to make a nuclear weapon. They declared with China and Russia that they are satisfied Iran is making effort to follow what AIEA recommended in 2009 but are still watching if Iran is not producing bomb or other technologies with the 30% of the Iranian extraction of uranium. That Uranium will officially be use by Iran to make a turning stock (disposable) and to continue some researches half authorised on civil use.

Electric City, The E.N.D, Energy Never Dies (Bo Diddley Beat by the Black Eyed Peas) : www.youtube.com...

Hi all
Well no big shock if they have its not like its a secret.
Its a case of giving a cave man a stick of dynamite. There so hooked on power they don't listen to the brains behind it. For instance say there is a war between Isreal and Iran then they're both retarded don't they know what FALLOUT is?
Iran nukes Isreal FALLOUT over the region. Iran will suffer themselves DUURRR!! I'm FICK I AM. Fallout will also effect Hamas the very people Iran is supposidly arming. What would Hamas think when there people can't eat food because it contaminated.
ISreal launch same outcome.FALLOUT!!
Seems to me they are both very simple nations indeed. Anyone spending money on developing WMD are thick! Anti-missile systems, Harp etc. etc. they are OBSOLETE.
The Norway Spiral for instance was a display that a missile can be stopped in its tracks a new theory that is emerging. Held in mid-air. So Irans test......LISTEN IRAN YOUR WASTING MONEY ON OLD CRAP! The only thing you'll be left with is the bill to decomission the things.
lol my opinion.