An Accurate Answer Requested

Originally posted by CHA0S
Mmmmhhmmm...ok...so every other religion has it wrong and you have it right?!? I'm really lost for words right now...absolutely stunned...you might want to go searching for that key which opens your mind...because apparently you've thrown it away...

You might want to throw yours away!

Tell me how this sounds...

"What religion are you?"

"I have an open mind."

"Oh, okay. Well, which ones do you seem to like the most?"

"I have an open mind."

"Hmm... so, there isn't even one that strikes you a little more than the others?"

"Don't you get it? If I choose one, I might be wrong! So, I'm keeping an open mind."

"Um... well, when will you know to choose one?"

"I won't. If I did, I wouldn't have an open mind!"

Way to go.




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Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by LordBucket

 

Considering that the winter solstice occurs before Christmas does, I don't see how they could get upset for the "winter solstice" being called Christmas or how their argument would hold water. They can still call their day what they want to, right? No one makes them call it Christmas?

Well actually the background of Christmas is pretty blurry. The one that is being celebrated know use to be a pagen holiday where Romans got drunk and had sex orgies. Over time it has changed to what it is know, a Christian holiday (I forgot how it happened). But the true day for Christmas, or Jesus's birthday, would be sometime in the summer. So in a way they both have it right.

I cannot fathom the country that allows its own Beliefs to be insulted so often in the media, yet protects others beliefs by the letter of the law.

Well thats the strange part, God was not part of America untill 1950 something. Then they put, In God We Trust, One Nation under God, ect. all over the place. I will go with you though that the other beliefs should not be protected by the law. Its like every race being allowed to have their own functions but if you wanted to start an all white club then you would be called racist.

We are all for religious respect, but surely it should apply to Jesus Christ, the source of hope for Billions across the globe ?

Christianity is the biggest religion so it is gonna have a lot of people trying to make it seem weak, and take it apart.

The biggest power of anything, USA, Christianity, Walmart, NASA, hopefully you get where I am going. They will all be tested, they will all have people trying to take it down, they will all be scrutinized the hardest because they are the best. Dont take it the wrong way that people constantly refer to your religion, whether it be a curse or a joke, its should be a mark of pride for you, you now know that your religion is the most known.

Heh...and no other name has caused so much destruction, suffering and death...I guess that's power...you're right...no other name has so much power...

reply to post by CHA0S


Heh... Wrong again! You're gonna make a habit out of this arn't you?

You are the absolute to the word hypocrisy. You would blame the evils
men do, on the prince of peace? It's people like you that have got this
world going backwards. I bet you tortured little animals when you were a kid.
With names like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao just a few of the recent.
You think you can say the name of the one who is going to save us
from ourselves for our own dasturdly mayhem.
You 've got to be whacked out bigtime.
Grow up we have no one to blame but ourselves for the misery we have brought upon this world.
You are a coward looking for a scapegoat.

Have nice day though.

... ... ... *yells Jesus Christ*...just wait for it...the power of that name shall strike you down shortly...or...do something...I'm sure something will happen shortly...

You know nothing of the matters of which you speak Pard. For you to live
a full life, we'll stretch it to say 80 yrs, that gives you a microcosm of experience to come on ATS spouting your crap like some kind of know it
all. How old are you 21. I hope for your sake you are only fooling yourself with this tripe.



[edit on 10-2-2010 by randyvs]

I've read through the posts (honestly just skimmed the longer ones) so sorry if my comment has already been posted.

1. The majority of movies are not written, directed, or even acted by Christians (of any denomination) for this reason, those individuals do not see an issue cursing His name. Granted, you and I may have a problem with it, one would assume that Christians in general would have a problem with it, but they don't care enough to stop going to movies. I bet if Christians boycotted a director or what not based on this, the message would be sent fairly quickly.

2. Some one (forgive me I forget) mentioned that Christianity is the largest and other faiths want to weaken it, yeah the person/group in the top slot usually takes a lot of garbage until another person/group becomes the leader and then it's their turn. To me that doesn't make it right, I feel everyone aught to be respected.

I used to enjoy watching stand up programs, often times the comic would make fun of religion, everyone's religions, at the time I found it to be funny and since everyone was being made fun of that made it ok, and not offensive. As I got a little older (I'm still only in my 20's), I find that I'm just not comfortable with it, it does offend me and I change the channel. I am tired of having to pick between multiple piles of manure. It seems that media in general tries to trivialize all religion, water it down until it all looks the same.

Huh, who'd have thought I'd be a young...old fudy dudy. It's a long way from where I came.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by searching4truth]

Jessus Christ is the only one with power to change the human condition.

Hmmm, I thought that was GOD....

As far as I'm aware Jesus is not a GOD.. there is only one true GOD (according to Christens)
yet people seem to worship JESUS?

The first of the Ten Commandments – “You shall have no gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3)
For there are no other Gods and He alone is the only Sovereign, the only Lord, the only God.
It is to Him alone that you are to give adoration, devotion, your trust and your worship

Jesus also noted the commandment in a positive manner. “And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength. This is the first commandment” (Mark 12:30; see also Matthew 22:37; Luke 10:27).

And yet it seems that people Worship Jesus, pray to the mortal.
He would then be a deity. Is he not a DEMI GOD?
Definition of Demi God:
A male being, often the offspring of a god and a mortal; An inferior deity.
Many people misunderstand the Bible; they feel that the belief in Jesus as God is so widespread that it must have come from the Bible
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not God. In the Bible God is always someone else other than Jesus.

What does the third commandment say? "Thou shalt not use the name of the Lord thy God in vain;
Not HIS Son... But His...

What is Offensive to one, may not be offensive to another..
We are VERY BLESSED that we as a people have the FREEDOM to worship of our own choosing here.

I am a 4th generation Irish American, and I am greatful everyday that I am NOT forced to believe in a single "religion" nor persicuted for my my beliefs, which are NOT "Christen"

In response to an above comment about Buddah:
He is not/was not a GOD!
Did the Buddha believe in God, the One God of the desert, the God of the Christians, Jews and Muslims?

Well... No... He didn't... Monotheism (only one God) was a foreign concept to the Buddha, his world was filled with many gods. The creator god Brahma being the most important one.
At the time of the Buddha, the only people practicing the religion of the One God of the desert, were the Jews. It was still 500 years before Christ came into the world.

If you’re a Buddhist it’s OK to believe God was the first cause... It really doesn't go against the teachings of the Buddha, his focus was on suffering... It's also OK to believe science has the answer… Like the big bang theory, etc... Some Buddhist’s don’t even care how it all started, and that’s fine too. Knowing how the world started is not going to end your suffering, it’s just going to give you more stuff to think about.
Buddism is a way of living your life on a daily basis.

I think in the end it comes down to Tollerance and understanding...
Knowing that the way you believe and what you find offensive may not be the same as the person standing beside you.

If you are secure in YOUR own personal belief then other beliefs and taking of names in vein should not be of consequence to you.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Matthew 7:1-3

The Christian leaders during Jesus’ time were big about pointing the fault out in others while ignoring there own and that’s the point of these verses

Christ explains this statement as a matter of not being able to judge clearly or with the right frame of mind & heart, if one has critical problems worse than the one whom he judges. Christ says that this is a hypocrite's way of judging. He says to clean up your own life before attempting to correct your brother's.

reply to post by Robbi


jesus is part of the holly trinity God the father God the son and God the holly spirit so Jesus is god

reply to post by Robbi


Apparently, you have a poor understanding of Christianity. Jesus is God in the flesh. Christians believe there are three parts to God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Therefore, yes Christians do worship Jesus. That's enough for now, wiki can provide you with a most basic understanding and it will even show you some differences between the denominations.

Peace

Edit to add: there were no Christian teachers, as we have today, in Jesus's time. Rome was Pagan and didn't convert until 300 years after His resurrection.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by searching4truth]

If so where is the law in the American Constituition that allows this?

the framers of the Constitution rejected any religious test for office, and the First Amendment specifically denied the federal government any power to enact any law respecting either an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.

I cannot fathom the country that allows its own Beliefs to be insulted so often in the media,

Several of the original Thirteen Colonies were established by English settlers who wished to practice their own religion without discrimination: the Massachusetts Bay Colony was established by Puritans, Pennsylvania by Quakers, and Maryland by Roman Catholics. Although some individual states retained established churches well into the nineteenth century, the United States was the first nation to have no official religion

[edit on 10-2-2010 by Robbi] To try to Fix The "quoting"

[edit on 10-2-2010 by Robbi]

good eye, dr conspire,
true, He gets more bashing because He's got an advesary to dethrone...also, of note, my buddy back in 1973 told me don't get on the warpath, Jesus (Yahushu'a) can take care of himself, we don't need to fight in his stead. still true,HUH!

reply to post by Robbi

Hmmm, I thought that was GOD....

I guess I don't even know what I'm talking about then.

I thought...
No one comes to the Father, if not by his son.
That's all you need to know.

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by Robbi

 

Apparently, you have a poor understanding of Christianity. Jesus is God in the flesh. Christians believe there are three parts to God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Therefore, yes Christians do worship Jesus. That's enough for now, wiki can provide you with a most basic understanding and it will even show you some differences between the denominations.

Peace

Edit to add: there were no Christian teachers, as we have today, in Jesus's time. Rome was Pagan and didn't convert until 300 years after His resurrection.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by searching4truth]

Yes you are correct, as Christianity is not my Belief system of Choice. Thank you for your clarification on the "Trinity"
I know of it only what I read, see and hear and was exposed to as a child and young adult, as I do not Live by it.

I am also aware of how the current Christain religion came to be and of the various "Pagan" Belief Systems that were the way at the time.

We should all thank our "Power(s) that be", whomever he, she or they may be and the Founding Fathers Who's religous diversity have allowed us to Have that freedom Of Choice and Belief today.

I guess I don't even know what I'm talking about then.

I did not say that... had you not taken that single line out of context, the next line stated;
As far as I'm aware Jesus is not a GOD.. there is only one true GOD (according to Christens)

"As far as I'm aware" being the KEY PHRASE HERE

I thought...
No one comes to the Father, if not by his son.

I have NO idea what you mean by this.

That's all you need to know.

WOW..
OK then, because thats what you declare.

Thank you for taking the time to briefly educate me of my error (not).

Wasn't Jesus a Jew? So why would this be an insult to Christians? Oh yeah because they haven't figured out thattheyre actually following a mixture of jewish and pagan texts while worshipping a man instead of a god. Doesn't the bible say something about that being a sin?

and if Jesus is god in the flesh, then I am god in the flesh! Prove me wrong.

one has to read some of the bible to get this. it's the only way just the book of John will do

reply to post by randyvs

Totally consumed by materialism? What? No power in the spoken word huh. You really don't even have the slightest clue. Nothing spiritual ever happens at all.Jesus Christ is the most powerful name in the universe Pal. The name alone has saved countless people from addictions desease even the brink of death. No other name any where has the power to change peoples lives for the better. Not Mohammed, not Budah, not Mitrayeh

So uttering the english words jesus christ provides miracles and saved so many people from bad things? You do realize that the words jesus christ is english?

I can give you examples of using other religious names that healed people.

Chaos is correct. The words are just vibrations of sound made by vocal cords. So, YES, it is materialism.

reply to post by randyvs

You are the absolute to the word hypocrisy. You would blame the evils men do, on the prince of peace? It's people like you that have got this world going backwards. I bet you tortured little animals when you were a kid. With names like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao just a few of the recent. You think you can say the name of the one who is going to save us from ourselves for our own dasturdly mayhem.

I am at loss at words. I do not know how to respond to this. I do not know if you really know your history. Torturing little animals? You are nuts.

People who are offended by other swearing using their deities are more likely to be like people like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao, and yes those who abuse animals.

GROW UP.

to be honest with you i don't think anyone who says jesus christ when they accidently smash their thumb with a hammer really means a defamation of christ or christianity, in real life

and movies are just an example of real life, you can make a movie really real by adding a cast that say things real people would say

HOLY ****** JESUS *** **** *******

people say this stuff all the time, i don't think you should get worked up over it,

reply to post by Robbi

I thought...
No one comes to the Father, if not by his son.

I have NO idea what you mean by this.

Sometimes it's easier for an outsider to understand things than people who have lived with an idea their entire lives. I'll try to explain.

Before Jesus, there was a Jewish tradition of animal sacrifice to atone for certain sins. A major premise of christianity is that when Jesus came to earth, his individual sacrifice "took the place" of all future animal sacrifices for all of mankind. Basically...the rules were changed. Instead of burning goats, Jesus was crucified, so as a christian all you have to do is believe in Jesus, and "accept" him as your savior, and you can go to heaven without any animal sacrifice.

I thought...
No one comes to the Father, if not by his son.

The idea is that sin creates an impassable, empty void between a person and God (The "Father") that prevents the sinner from making his way to God. The blood of sacrifice was a way of filling that void to allow a sinner to reach God. But, post-Jesus, again...the rules changed. Jesus' blood took the place of animals, and animal sacrifice is no longer accepted as a valid means of filling that void...so the "only way" to come to God (the "Father") is through the blood of Jesus (the "Son").

Christians sometimes have a difficult time explaining this because the original rules aren't usually something they're taught about. I think a lot of them are simply uncomfortable with the idea that their god required animal sacrifice for thousands of years.

It's also worth mentioning that the entire system ties in to the Passover event. Supposedly jews were enslaved in egypt, and god sent plagues upon the egyptians until they allowed the jews to leave. The tenth plague involved an angel who visited every house to slay the firstborn child in each house that did not have lamb's blood on the door. Houses with blood were "passed over" by the angel. This is basically why Jesus is often referred to as the "lamb of God." His blood takes the place of the animals that were used before him.


[edit on 10-2-2010 by LordBucket]

reply to post by digby888

if your an athiest why are you even bothering with this you do not believe but sho your ignorance by having a go at other beliefs see me my self think that athiest are the most closed mided and ignorant people well not all just the ones like you and this crap that jesus holly name caused wars and death is totaly wrong i think you will find that it was corupt and twisted men using his name for there own advantage and twisting religion for there own gain all that jesus spoke off was peace and love and if every one followed his teachings the world would not be in the state it is now

Well, isn't it too bad I'm not actually an atheist...I'm agnostic...I'm not going to go around claiming there is no God...because truthfully, I have no freakin' idea if God(s) exist...and I'm certainly not going to claim God(s) do exist either...because again, I have no way of confirming that claim...and I'm certiantly not EVER going to pick up a bible and tell others that it holds the truth when I have no way of confirming that, and quite frankly, when critically examined, it becomes painfully obvious that the bible was written entirely by man, without the help of God(s)...not that it would matter if it was the word of God in the first place, because man would have edited the bible so extensively by now that it'd be impossible to pull any truth from all the lies...if I know one thing, it's that most religions know nothing of this God...and in fact, if God(s) do exist, religion would only act to pull you further away from God and confine you to a reality which is riddled with lies and ignorance...

reply to post by randyvs

You would blame the evils
men do, on the prince of peace? It's people like you that have got this
world going backwards.

No...I don't blame it on "the prince of peace" because I don't believe such a person/entity exists, or more precisely, I have no way of knowing if such a person/entity exists...it's clearly the fault of man, I agree...but there are things which lead man to fault...such as money...and IMO, religion also...I believe religion causes way more problems than it solves...and also, as I said before, you may as well lock up your brain and throw the key away if your going to devote yourself to Christianity or any other religion...Buddhism is one of the only half respectable religions out there...although, I wouldn't label Buddhism a "religion" as such...

I bet you tortured little animals when you were a kid.
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You 've got to be whacked out bigtime.

No...I wouldn't ever do that...I'm actually the type of person that own several pets and catches spiders and bugs when they are in my house (living in Australia we get a fair few), and I put them back outside instead of killing them as everyone seems to do...I guess I'm actually an animal sort of person...I'm not like some unstable, self-hating jerk...although, you seem quick to generalize and label anyone who questions your religious beliefs as "whacked out bigtime"...

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