do certain people have a more direct conection to God? I am seeing proof some do.

reply to post by moocowman



"Who said that being an amputee is "bad"?




"The dude what has to drag his ass in the carpet to wipe it did, what utter ignorant arrogant thinking."

My point is that its your perception, not ignorance or arrogance. I can't possibly know what its like to be an amputee unless I experience it, and frankly I don't want that experience. Who would? But neither will I claim that my negative experiences empircally disprove God.

"Anyone who could look a 20 year old active live loving young sportsman with a broken neck in the eye and make silly claims like it's the jesusyahwhe gods' way of teaching you lesson, is nothing but a thumb sucking pinhead that should immediately trade places."

Not teaching you a lesson. You misunderstood my point. Perhaps the lesson is that we need another way of looking at things? Perception, again. But to say that God wants to "teach you a lesson" makes God sound like a pretty disturbing fella. One of the main arguments against religion, of course.

"If you truly believed your god heals the sick you would not need a doctor. If you truly believed your god answers you prayers you would not need health insurance nor pharmaceuticals."

Unless you believe that God gave mankind the ability to do these things ourselves, with medicine and therapy. Or perhaps if you believe that God is more interested in the journey than the ultimate destination?

Why does your god not heal amputees ? Simply because he is imaginary."

This may very well be the case. I think you've assumed that I myself believe in God. I realize my arguments tend to be pro-God, but I am more agnostic than anything else. I am not arguing for the existence of God or the nature of God, simply asking that you change your perception.

Obviously you've suffered a horrific experience, and I'm terribly sorry for that. And any cliche comments I might make or placitudes I might offer will simply come off as "arrogant and ignorant" and probably upset you more. I hope that's not the case, and that you can believe me when I say I sincerely wish you nothing but the best.

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by lifecitizen
And I hope you haven't forked out for health insurance?

I mean, why bother if you can pray and your wifes prayers are answered?

No that's just plain stupid.

Prayer does not divorce a person from the natural world...
...it just engages them with it in a different way.

You are a physical being...
...and the world is full of cures not all known or supported by medical science...
...and who better to solve a biological issue than the Spirit?

We solved a life-threatening illness by being directed to utilize the best of medical diagnostics and natural threatments.

uh huh

so what does god have against amputees?- they can pray till the cows come home but they won't get a new limb

Does he just not like them?

You are a disability bigot then.

I have had a disability since 1996...
...bit rough for the first three years...
...but I have a life now I could have only dreamed of.

I'm sorry- how am I a bigot because I asked why god won't heal an amputee????

He apparently heals other people, but never an amputee- why?

Originally posted by infobrazil

Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by lifecitizen
And I hope you haven't forked out for health insurance?

I mean, why bother if you can pray and your wifes prayers are answered?

No that's just plain stupid.

Prayer does not divorce a person from the natural world...
...it just engages them with it in a different way.

You are a physical being...
...and the world is full of cures not all known or supported by medical science...
...and who better to solve a biological issue than the Spirit?

We solved a life-threatening illness by being directed to utilize the best of medical diagnostics and natural threatments.

uh huh

so what does god have against amputees?- they can pray till the cows come home but they won't get a new limb

Does he just not like them?

God probably loves them. Seems you don't.

Who said that being an amputee is "bad"?

God's logic is not man's logic.

I didn't say being an amputee was bad- how did you figure that?

I'm asking why amputeees prayers NEVER get answered- other peoples prayers apparently do- but never an amputees prayers?

Why???

Why aren't amputees as important as other people to god?

Originally posted by smyleegrl
With regards to the question about healing amputees.....

Have you ever considered that your situation, unique as it is, may be exactly the lesson God wants you to learn?

Everyone has difficulties in life, and I'm certainly not trying to downplay the struggle an amputee goes through. However, I do wonder why you seem to regard it as a "curse" (emphasis mine).

Perhaps the true power of prayer is that it changes our perception of life? Allows us to realize that despite our troubles and imperfections, life can still be enjoyed?

Who said anything about it being a curse?

What I asked was- why doesn't god ever heal an amputee?

He can heal other afflications, even get people a car park- yet he never heals an amputee- not once, not ever- why?

Does he not like them?

Are they not as important to god as others who he does heal?

reply to post by crsb123


My husband fractured vertebra several years ago. Several years later, he developed scoliosis in his lower back. He took pain meds that never completely relieved him. Our bible study prayed in the Holy Spirit. Not only is the scoliosis healed, but the fractures as well. We have the x-rays as "proof". His back is pain free.

"Who said anything about it being a curse?"

Sorry if I misconstrued your argument. The word curse was mine, and based on an assumption.

"What I asked was- why doesn't god ever heal an amputee?
He can heal other afflications, even get people a car park- yet he never heals an amputee- not once, not ever- why?
Does he not like them?
Are they not as important to god as others who he does heal?"

I studied theology as an undergraduate, and we explored a very similar concept. To wit, why did miracles (such as healing the sick) occur in the Bible but apparently don't occur today? Of course, one could argue that healing does occur, but that's not germaine to your question. Which, I take it, is why doesn't God allow people to regrow limbs?

To be honest and frank: I don't know. I don't know why a lot of things happen and don't happen. It's just another question I add to my list of things I'd like to ask God IF he's real.

On a sidenote, I have a friend who break his neck sledding in college. Totally paralyzed from the neck down. Interestingly enough, he has become a very religious person. I guess what drives one person towards religion might drive another away?

Hi CSRB

I guess the question everybody's mind (sort of theoretical I suppose) would be that IF (heaven forfend !) your wife were to suddenly have her right arm amputated following a bad car accident, and her 'faith' was so strong she felt that she could just pray away like always to grow a new one---do you think the clan god of Israel would grow her a new one or not (via her 'prayers') and if so, how quickly would she expect 'a healing'?

Or would she just say, well that's what Yahweh wants for me, I guess since the limb aint growin back !' (un-answered prayer)

Some people e.g. in America, DO NOT PRAY for such a restorative 'miracle' because they know jolly wedll that even Yahweh the clan god of Israel has limits on what he can do...

Do you think she would pray for a new limb...or not?

(of course desert nomadic clan gods aside, science over the next couple of decades may well be able to perform such a miracle using stem cells, but that is not quite what I am asking...)