Have YOU Been PROGRAMMED?

reply to post by Paradox.


Life divides us in every instance into two groups: those who are willing to use critical thinking to address the whole of a problem or situation, and those who want to take a single segment of reality as represented by a spreadsheet, an emotion, or a product, and address only that. The problem with the latter group is that life is a whole and cannot be represented by a single linear truth, making such decisions as illusory as considering only a small patch of land when making decisions for a continent. We cannot fall back into our individual worlds and our linear representations when we are making decisions with much broader effect.

Originally posted by Paradox.
reply to post by badmedia

 

Completely incorrect. You are missing something big - the argument in which Human Beings have the NEED (through genetics and evolutionary phases) to feel IMPORTANT. Look at your post, you claim to be the center of your universe. That is an outlandish claim with no evidence created, to stroke the ego of every Man on Earth who believes he is Important.

Ummm, that you are the center of your universe is nothing more than the fact of perception and individualism. You do understand the difference between "your" and "the" right?

I believe you are at the other end of the "programming" spectrum, at an extreme. One where instead of believing in a God, YOU are the center of your universe. I will repeat, "YOU, are not that God damn important."

If I am not that important - then who are you to tell me this? Are you not in yourself making yourself as important or above me in order to tell me this? In order to push someone down you first must put yourself above them.

And if you can get over this and realize that this world is a system and you are a micro part of it, you will understand how insignificant you really are. But your ego would never ascertain.

How does one put down anothers ego without themselves having a rather large ego. If you truly believed what you say, then wouldn't you just shut up? After all, who and of what importance would you be to tell me otherwise?

I know plenty about the system, the manipulation, and such things. I am a programmer and I design systems for a living.

When we get to the very bottom of BELIEF, whether it be Religious or Non-Religiously based, we can come to an absolute conclusion. The conclusion is, Human Beings, in general, can NOT accept the fact that death is the end of their lives. And through, and by any means POSSIBLE no matter how DOGMATIC (such as your quote is) Or appalling of a story to believe - we will believe it - Because we cannot accept what is defined as "death." Fear is our one true leader.

All belief is dumb. Beliefs are what people put in place of understanding and knowledge. Yet, at the same time understanding and knowledge appears to others as belief.

Who gives a crap about death? Is that all you think it's about? Have you actually really thought about death? Do you realize that if you are dead - there is nothing there to perceive it, thus you simply do not exist or feel anything? That is supposed to be scary?

I mean, in order to have/know/feel anything dealing with after death means that you would in fact not be dead... Hello? The entire thing about hell was created in order to scare people - because the fear of just being dead is nothing, but fear of living in such is well - hell.

You could straight up prove to me that when my body dies that is the end of it. I wouldn't care. What does it have to do with what is right and wrong? Nothing.

Not everyone is what you think they are.

My friend,

I am new to to posting as such, this is my first. You could say your topic finally moved me to action althought I have lurked for quite some time.

I must say my last IQ test was 122 and that was after 20 years of any exposure to modern curriculum, so please, forgive, and please, excuse my lack of proper linguistics.

Addressing your thread. What caught my attention at first was how you tied together evolutionary DNA changes with a will to live or die, blamed or inluenced by traditional religious dogma.

I believe, as in certain Asian historic cultures, in death before dishonor. This type of death I believe is not related to Western religious or some middle eastern beliefs, but established in warrior comabt honor principal.

Why is it that you feel that those from "your" generation hold the key to the future and it's enlightment because you have awakened to the GOD con and believe that technology is the key to the future?

My friend, what you do not see is that you have been conned the same way we all were through the ages believing that GOD was the new technology.

In closing let me say this. If I were to go to war, as you said of programmed religious fanatics, I would go to war to seak you out and eliminate any aggressor against my self and my people, especially my women and children.

In the end the poor and downtrodden are fighting for survival. It really has nothing to do with GOD. It is simply survival.

As an addition, the economic finicial disaster is THE FALSE FLAG. There was never a financial crisis. It was a global burn on every residents taxes around the world. Also, for kicks, the so called American bank bailout was the U.S. Government burning the U.S. taxpayers for a gambling bankroll to play the markets. Just ask Geitner.

Sorry to hijack, totally unintentional.

All due respect. Thank you for your consideration.

reply to post by badmedia


It seems your tender ego was stepped on. You are a prime example of what I have been discussing. Of course, you had to bring, "Who are you to tell me this?" into the equation. Should I of posed like I were a religious saviour like "Jesus" did so you would feel I am above you, so you would not be able to activate such a mechanism? Don't you understand? Look at what you have replied with, this defensive result was triggered by your EGO. Your presumed self importance. I will say one last time, YOU (And I - And every other Human Being in existence) Are not that God damn important. I understand if you are afraid to accept this. It is only Human to believe the journey of life will not end at death, because of the fear that accompanies it.

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reply to post by concernedcitizan


Well thought out observation! I could not agree more. But I believe you are attributing the scientific community to that "group" of people who take one statistic and write the Laws of the Universe from it. And that is NOT what a Unified Field Theory is trying to accomplish. If we were to take Einstein's work, Tesla's work, Newton's work and one of any of the great minds and isolate it - there would be no answer. The scientific community does not function like you have alluded. An approach comparable to your first option is the correct and chosen route, a Unified Field - because the Universe is not that simple. From micro to macro it functions differently but on a common grounds. And that is what we are searching for: The common ground, the basis to base all science off of and Universal views. Personally, I believe Marko Rodin has discovered it.

reply to post by klhix

Addressing your thread. What caught my attention at first was how you tied together evolutionary DNA changes with a will to live or die, blamed or inluenced by traditional religious dogma.

Incorrect. I blame the will to live even when you are "dead" to be a result of the Human genome and evolutionary neurological changes. BUT I then argue that Religion is a "patchwork" answer to this problem which exists within each of us, that is very primitive at the least. Religious dogma is a form of neglect. To liberate one's mind is to be free of neglect and find a new "meaning" to the system or Universe and Life and Death. Our views, and I am speaking on a broad scale, on these terms are wrong and they will keep society continually recycling ideas and never achieving any real advancements. This is because there are no New Perspectives, only derivatives of old perspectives which we misconceive to be "new."

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Originally posted by Paradox.
reply to post by badmedia

 

It seems your tender ego was stepped on. You are a prime example of what I have been discussing. Of course, you had to bring, "Who are you to tell me this?" into the equation. Should I of posed like I were a religious saviour like "Jesus" did so you would feel I am above you, so you would not be able to activate such a mechanism? Don't you understand? Look at what you have replied with, this defensive result was triggered by your EGO. Your presumed self importance. I will say one last time, YOU (And I - And every other Human Being in existence) Are not that God damn important. I understand if you are afraid to accept this. It is only Human to believe the journey of life will not end at death, because of the fear that accompanies it.

Your entire post is nothing but you making assumptions about me, and projecting your own feelings of worthlessness onto others.

You have done nothing but push people down in this thread, and then anytime someone tries to stand back up, or point out the errors in what you have said, you then fault them as having ego for doing so. All the while when confronted with your own hypocrisy you ignore it and point fingers at others.

Anything someone may say or express that is not of your perception and experiences is by default deemed as belief/false. This you push onto others as being for the reasons you think, such as some absurd fear of death(personally I'm more worried about the events that lead up to it).

Ego? What do you know about?


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I asked from the start for readers not to take offence. But a truth of this magnitude that I am advocating will indefinitely step on all individuals toes who have been raised in a society today and even 50,000 years ago. I expected this to be controversial. I understand if it seems I am "knocking" people down with the truth of the matter, that is how I would feel as well. As if everything I believe in were just a Human answer to every problem which we can not perceive the factual answer. You must be bloody kidding me is what I would say! But, self liberation is key to understanding what plagues us with fear.

reply to post by Paradox.


As I never felt any offence.
I thought I did have an opinion to share. So I did.

Was it one of perfection ? Or a total all time low ?

I reply usually for the possibility there can be learned some.

I think the topic you bring with you is quite interesting. I'm not new to it.
Two times before I met someone withe the same story.

3 times know I've noticed an annoyed tone from te poster.
The aggressive attitude. Beginning from the start. And the continuing negative and/or low expecting of other intelligence. As uninterrupted by a arrogant negative ambience.

I can not ever know what emotion is used at a reply or what ever.

The reading of a few sentences will not tell me.
It's only what it feels like.

Maybe there is a perfectly good explanation. Who knows ?


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I suppose I really want to know..So what is your point? Now the big question is , What are you going to do about it? Are you some kind of revolutionary creation that is going to change something simply because you had a revlelation backed up by a couple of other people that have a painful flatulation?

Face it . We all do exactly what we want. Oft times occourances co-exist and group. These groups according to thier (for lack of a better term) size,bounce around in all different directions, no? Creating different energies as they "bounce around". Again this is all speculation. So....somebody..has already pefected perpetual motion as we understand it?

So in a cosmic sense we are at the bottom of the food chain, yet there are those who embrace this and believe the opposite. So if one embraces anything long enough and strong enough it becomes a dominating force?
We are like a fungus growing on rotten vegetables...Swweeett!!!

And your question,OP is who are we ? Were programmed? Ants in a maze?
So its like one piece of fecal material extracted fom the bowels of a dead hog telling another that it smells worse? Thats pretty funny.

reply to post by Paradox.


Okay, and so it seems that you digress into a certain psycho-bable. I am sorry my friend, your level of insight and intelligence becomes blurred in what is known, I believe, as baseline linguistics. No insult intended.

How is it my good sir that you can say "the will to live even when you are dead" ? Iam sorry my friend, that is indeed a direct conflict in statement and unfortunately physical reality.

I say let's call a spade a spade. You are eloquent and diverse in your dialog. Clearly challenging the masses in your existential and extensive thought and knowledge.

However, in our pursuit of hyper futuristic excellence we lack the basic foundational "common sense".

Allow me to converge with your dialog. Humanity is indeed trapped by many factors. So called formal education, psuedo-impetus to adapt to all forms of technology worthwhile or redundant, adaption to youth movements as being superior and social substitions in many forms that are disguised age old lies that go way way back, or do you remember actually watching the Watergate trials? I did at 14. Corruption, so old you want to vomit.

You see, men were cunning thousnads of years ago. Men were ruthless and covert before we were born. Men murdered people to further their needs which we should have learned from the cold violent savagery of history.

This is a cushy soft world of opinions disguised as insults. Faceless. Invisible. Cowardice. This is a world of latte's and student loans and practically none of us could have exsisted in the earlier days.

Where does GOD fit in? Let me say this my friend. Good and decent young men on the beaches of Normandy stepped into the fray of 50 cal gunfire to make it possible for a few men to make it to the front line.

War and GOD have nothing to do with one another. There is only hate and the pursuit of supremacy. Love is a byproduct of the victims and survivors of the savage.

It is for this purpose, for the sake of all that is just, not GOD, not RELIGION, not DNA, not Parallel Universe, but in the name of justice and the preservation of human life. This is not funk. We are dealing with the Human Animal, the predator, the superior killing machine. Destroyers. Predators...disguised in what is now greater intelligence, the ultimate killer.
In my opion, one of the most dangerous and ruthlessly conditioned predators is the cynical recent college graduate.

Don't blame GOD. DNA genetics have nothing to do with it. It is simply the fact when you see the innocent being harmed or killed then MEN must step up to the call of honor and duty. At least the true men, the true valors of honor, decency, and justice.

It is well past time that MEN stand up again and set the code of superior honor, because my bretheren, we have failed our wives, our loves, our mothers, and our sisters with our selfishness and our greed. Our daughters know what a gentleman is, our sons are poisoined by images of filth. In essence grow a pair.

WE ARE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENCE. IT ENDS WITH US AND THE FALL OF THE GREATEST EMPIRE, 200 YEARS PLUS OLD IS UPON US. WILL WE BE THE SONS WHO BRING ABOUT OUR OWN DESTRUCTION AND THE VIOLATION OF OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. WE WILL BE THE SONS WHO WILL FORVER BE HELD TO BLAME.

YOU SEE MY FRIEND, I HAVE BROUGHT MORE SOLDIERS THAN YOU.



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reply to post by Sinter Klaas


I apologize that I did not respond to your first post as I responded to most others. To tell you the truth I find sometimes you speak in Riddles and not statements. Every Human being's opinion matters just as much as another's. I just did not interpret what you were trying to say that well. I know I come across as negative, who else with any sort of Religious view would not agree! No God, no heaven, no saviour. It is a bitter truth that we must save ourselves. You can accept an answer presented to you with dogmatic conclusions or you can find the factual evidence yourself. Religion is like duct tape - it does a Really good job at holding everything together doesn't it?

To finally address your first post, I believe you are speaking of predestination although it is hard to assume. Even though we try to change our means of reaching our destination, there is only one destination we will ever reach regardless of our means of reaching another?

Survival is based on fear and reproduction. Fear - the evasion of predators and the continuos hunt for nourishment whether in some species it be food, or a combination of food and knowledge. I will agree that fear plagues this evolutionary phase of Man. Once knowledge is introduced into the cycle, the fear is amplified and creates a Bell Curve when contrasted to social, spiritual and technological advancement. (That means we start up big and then fall back into a slow decline, into a bell-shape) Either way you want to twist it, fear must be eliminated.

But that's not so easy. Fear creates the need for a Religious view. It causes individuals to exhibit sheep-like characteristics who follow the herd and are driven by their instincts which are sadly primitive. What I am trying to depict is, and this is important: As long as we as Humans are ruled by fear, then we will always find Religion as a medium to neglect the outcomes of this fear. The duct tape holds the picture together just fine until death. Well, science offers the materials and tools needed to view the system how it really ought to be viewed, though a New Perspective. One that is no derivative of any previous ideas. One that need not require duct tape. Liberation is real advancement.

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reply to post by psyko45


Read into the paragraph further. See through the black type that create letters and words. You are asking, "so what if you are right, what can it do for our world." You strongly oppose the idea of change in such a chaotic world - maybe you are right.

But, what I present is this. For the last 100 years we have taken every "New idea" there was, and improved on it. Once we improve this idea, years later we will improve it again. We are still driving cars powered by gas engines am I not correct?

Well, for 50,000 or more years Humanity has taken the idea of a God-like figure and used it in society - To control a population and explain questions which they cannot answer. We have improved the figure over time, and manipulated the identity of these Gods for thousands of years! Look at the link in my first post, the list of Deital Leaders. There are so many. Again and again we attempt to solve the questions which we have had no ability to answer factually. We derived these answers from a primitive way of thinking.

New perspectives can bring YOU advancement. Look at the example with the automobile. Still, we use gas powered engines. Do you really think I can give you anything but knowledge? I wanted to inspire ATS to find liberation, and through that they will prosper. This was meant to be an inspirational thread at the moment I published it, I wanted readers to look further into the message presented.

And you don't have to restrict yourself to the automobile, there are billions of other industries not to improve - but completely destroy the need for through YOUR OWN advancements. We have been creating the future through the past, I am sick of this pattern. New ideas in themselves are the basis of prosperity for a future society. That is my belief. An individual is smart, but people are stupid. I am not here to inspire anyone but the individual.

Originally posted by Paradox.
I asked from the start for readers not to take offence. But a truth of this magnitude that I am advocating will indefinitely step on all individuals toes who have been raised in a society today and even 50,000 years ago. I expected this to be controversial. I understand if it seems I am "knocking" people down with the truth of the matter, that is how I would feel as well. As if everything I believe in were just a Human answer to every problem which we can not perceive the factual answer. You must be bloody kidding me is what I would say! But, self liberation is key to understanding what plagues us with fear.

I'm not offended. But there is no real truth to what you are saying. If you had said that 1 person is no more important than another, I might have agreed with you. What is important is really just a matter of opinion.

I said you are knocking people down because when confronted with things, you in response started going on about how it's just ego talking, ego being hurt, ego this, ego that rather than addressing the points that were brought up. Attacking the person rather than what is said is what makes it "knocking people down".

reply to post by Paradox.


Thank you !
Apology accepted.

So I speak in riddles ? Funny. I'll read It when I finish this one.

As it is precisely why i like to get some feed back. Someone starts I speak in riddles.
Amazing not even noticed or ever would have, without you telling me ?

Is a riddle not a perfect reason for an explanation. I'far to curious not to ask if I don't understand.
Maybe it's because I don't have the knowledge to make a statement. Resulting in some form of thinking out loud, asking myself at the same time , If...

I believe you are right about predestination, as each cycle end and starts over. As is it observed.
So it is an argument for the rise and fall of civilisation. The orbit around the Sun. While she in turn orbits the galaxy.
Also God is speculated to know the past present and future. As also a clue is given of what was was. Will be the future. As what is to come, has also been the past.
A perfect cycle if you ask me.

This however doesn't change anything if any disappointment.

If the end means it really is the end. Why feel disappointment or fear ? As fear kept us from a life joy ? or helped us To live a life of safety ?

I just recently on another forum gave fear for us letting our lives lived by others.
I mentioned our sins, being an edge, survival on steroids.
As they never stopped their the same reason why humankind still is acting, like survival they became intelligent and became familiar with mankind's Achilles heal. Fear.
Even know our survival mode keeps us staying to make use of fear to stay on top. Any means necessary and no prisoners.

What we are know able to see in society.

As I disagree survival is solely used for the means of reproduction and fear.
We can not ignore the animal kingdom.
Where are countless of examples which do the opposite. When it all ends and we do not spiritually live on. We are nothing more then any other animal.
Disabled by a handicap called intelligence...

As for the existence of religious views.
Fear is not alone, as for survival also does so. and survival is a force every living being has.

I do prefer fear leaving their is only one problem I see.
As fear is a natural function for survival en reproducing.

The removal of fear would strip away of who we really are.
Why the need for betraying our heritage at the end ?

As the need for spirituality is a natural devellopment.
Religion is man made fore the solo purpose, consolidating power and controle fear leaves us with.

reply to post by badmedia


Because the ego is such an essential part of personality. I suggest you read into Sigmund Freud (The "Father" of Modern Day Psychology), and you will understand where I am coming from. I am here to get to the heart of the matter and not to dance around it by any means. The opposition to my thread have been programmed through nature and Religious belief on some accounts to feel so erratically denounced when faced with an ultimatum as presented. I don't feel my viewpoint is as negative as you portray, it seems that you use it as a proposed fault when looked at by a certain bias to support your claims. Either way, you are entitled to your opinion whether I agree or not. I'm not the type to fight on an Internet board, only to encourage self liberation, new perspectives and motivational advancements. Which was the underlying mechanism I had tried to incorporate in the Original Post.

reply to post by badmedia


Also forgot to mention, that I find your avatar interesting. The lattice, that is. I have seen it before throughout my studies especially with electron flow and vorticies. You will find this interesting, this article was featured in Nature, the brain functions on a lattice almost identical to your avatar:

www.ucl.ac.uk...

reply to post by Paradox.


My avatar is based on the flower of life. The center part of it is anyway, the color and the snowflake effect around the edges are additions to it.

I often speak in terms of reality and perception, well the flower of life is the fabric/framework for physical reality.

Originally posted by Paradox.


This is your only journey which life holds, don't wait around to die and rot in the ground, Today is YOUR day

Wow. Life must be rough having that viewpoint. So if our short life -an average of about 76 years - is all there is to experience, what is the point in trying to "advance" anything? For our future generations? Who cares? Apparently we won't be around to see the effects of our 'advancing'! So why bother?
I think it's pretty arrogant of you to assume that you are right about all of these things you claim. No one knows what will happen. No one. You don't, I don't, and that guy down the street with the sign around his neck doesn't either!
Personally, I hardly think that we will all rot in the ground and cease to exist. I'm not even really a very religious person, but I have seen too many things that there is little doubt in my mind that 'life' or whatever you want to call it will continue after this one. In the meantime, at least I have the hope of a future, the mere glimpse of it keeps me going. What keeps you going?