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Originally posted by Britguy
The Tea Party organisation seems to have lost it's way and been hijacked by the likes of Palin.
The original idea seemed to be aimed at addressing corrupt government as a whole, not simply Democrats or Republicans, but the whole stinking bunch. This seems to have turned into a partisan issue though which makes it pretty pointless.
It's no good rallying to remove Obama when the alternative is just as corrupt and costly to the nation as the incumbents are. The whole Left versus Right issue is the same tired old divide and conquer method used every time and it's incredible that people still fall for it.
People need to realise that they are just going round in circles every time they vote in either of the main parties. The only way they can really change things is to remove the whole of the current government system and it's members.
How many times do the people need displays of the contempt that the government feels for the population and it's wishes, before they wake up and realise the ballot box just installs another bunch of talking heads, doing the bidding of big business and foreign powers.
The same is true here in the UK as it is in the US.
Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
I wouldn't fall for this, it's just a republican strategy to turn people away from democrats and back to republicans for next election. If she believed in serving for the people she would have been ron pauls running mate!
Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
big question here why is her stupid ass still getting so much attention she lost so much credibility when she wore those expensive ass clothes during the presidnecy capaign and then afterwards blamed someone else for what she was wearing umm sorry bitch you put them clothes on showing off your money!
no one stuck a gun to your head made you put them on there prolly hanging on hangars in your closet! also i didnt like her the minute i seen that commerical where she was trying to pass a law in her state to allow people to hunt down and kill wolves for the hell of it! all because she doesnt like them!
[edit on 7-2-2010 by metalholic]
Originally posted by Alxandro
I really love to observe people's reactions.
It really is interesting how the mere mention of the name "Sarah Palin" tends to subconsciously irk people into a frenzy.
TPTB know this and are intentionally doing this.
This latest Palin sighting is another Pavlov like litmus test by TPTB to check her current popularity status and tweaks will be made as a result.
Palin is a work in progress and is not going away any time soon, especially if people continue to salivate or fume over her.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
I am all for revolution...
However...
If she is the one leading the pack, I will stay as far away from this movement as possible.
I was getting excited about the Tea Party movement, I actually thought it would ammount to something, but I was terribly wrong.
I wonder if the GOP will be silly enough to run her for POTUS next time around and give the Super Majority back to the Dems the following year once she fails miserably?
~Keeper
Originally posted by Ahabstar
Just a point to consider, but does anyone think that the Tea Party is being purposefully torpedoed?
Originally posted by Ahabstar
You get a bunch of Americans together that start agreeing that things in Washington need a serious change and you are bound to ruffle a few feathers on some pretentious peacocks.
Originally posted by Ahabstar
Palin's call for revolution would be a perfect fork to stuck in the Tea Party Movement to prove it is done. People will back away from an outrageous call to action from a person that the MSM can malign with zero effort.
Originally posted by Ahabstar
Notice also that she called for the Tea Party to remain leaderless. Now I don't know other people's ability to be patient but being part of a group that does nothing is a bit of a waste of time. Lack of leadership and direction pretty much means a do nothing group.
Originally posted by Ahabstar
As for the National Convention, I can give a bit of slack on how it went and the low numbers. It was their first and even I am not to ashamed to admit that my first kiss 20-some years ago was nowhere near as good as I could give now. It takes a bit of practice to get things right.
Originally posted by Aha
bstar
In time, if the group does not self-implode, they are sure to become a breeding ground of corrupt policies and ideologies as the current two parties are. Who knows, maybe they will have their very own President that ignores the people's needs in order to keep his face-time on the TV and keep the money handlers happy.
Originally posted by ugie1028
You know Sarah Palin is an inside job waiting to happen spartan. I wouldn't give any minute of my time to politicians anymore. the power lays on the people, and not someone on the tube.
Originally posted by ugie1028
What i see her role as is she is to keep the sheeple happy, keep them busy with weapons of mass distraction.
Originally posted by ugie1028
Look what the media did for Obama, in 2006-2008. they basically lobbied for him, and now fox is lobbying for Palin.
Originally posted by ugie1028
the Media made Obama look like a savior... (i remember a few threads on ATS that covered that) and now look at him. he has turned his back on almost all his promises, and is basically continuing the bush admin policies.
Makes you think, who is working for who?
[edit on 2/7/2010 by ugie1028]
Amazon Review :
The Bush years have given rise to fears of a resurgent Imperial Presidency.
Those fears are justified, but the problem cannot be solved simply by bringing a new administration to power.
In his provocative new book, The Cult of the Presidency, Gene Healy argues that the fault lies not in our leaders but in ourselves.
When our scholars lionize presidents who break free from constitutional restraints, when our columnists and talking heads repeatedly call upon the "commander in chief " to dream great dreams and seek the power to achieve them--when voters look to the president for salvation from all problems great and small--should we really be surprised that the presidency has burst its constitutional bonds and grown powerful enough to threaten American liberty?
The Cult of the Presidency takes a step back from the ongoing red team/blue team combat and shows that, at bottom, conservatives and liberals agree on the boundless nature of presidential responsibility.
For both camps, it is the president's job to grow the economy, teach our children well, provide seamless protection from terrorist threats, and rescue Americans from spiritual malaise.
Very few Americans seem to think it odd, says Healy, "when presidential candidates talk as if they're running for a job that's a combination of guardian angel, shaman, and supreme warlord of the earth."
Healy takes aim at that unconfined conception of presidential responsibility, identifying it as the source of much of our political woe and some of the gravest threats to our liberties.
If the public expects the president to heal everything that ails us, the president is going to demand--or seize--the power necessary to handle that responsibility.
Interweaving historical scholarship, legal analysis, and trenchant cultural commentary, The Cult of the Presidency traces America's decades-long drift from the Framers' vision for the presidency: a constitutionally constrained chief magistrate charged with faithful execution of the laws.
Restoring that vision will require a Congress and a Court willing to check executive power, but Healy emphasizes that there is no simple legislative or judicial "fix" to the problems of the presidency.
Unless Americans change what we ask of the office--no longer demanding what we should not want and cannot have--we'll get what, in a sense, we deserve.
Originally posted by timewalker
You know guy's that our elections are not based on experience. This last one should prove that. They are based on charisma and good looks. Palin has both. As far as how many showed up to the convention, does not really matter, it was broadcast on all the big three and C-Span. To an audience of millions. I think she will run in 2012, and if things don't start looking "Hope-y Change-y" very soon. I think she will win. Who else is in the non Democrat spotlight? NO ONE! As much as some might like Ron Paul, I don't see him getting any fresh steam.
In 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H.W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the podiums. The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that they were withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."[4]
Christopher Hitchens speaking at a September, 2000 third party protest at the Commission's headquarters. At a press conference announcing the commission's creation, Fahrenkopf said that the commission was not likely to include third-party candidates in debates, and Kirk said he personally believed they should be excluded from the debates.[5]
During the 2000 election, the CPD stipulated that candidates would only be invited to debate if they had a 15% support level across five national polls. Ralph Nader, a presidential candidate who was not allowed to debate because of this rule, believed that the regulation was created to stifle the views of third party candidates by keeping them off the televised debates. Nader brought a lawsuit against them in a federal court, on the basis that corporate contributions violate the Federal Election Campaign Act.
Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
Tea Party is infested with neocons and Palins just up there getting paid
All in all i would not trust her for one second
Originally posted by timewalker
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Oh I concur SKL. The problem is that we just have to pick from the lesser of two evils. The chances of a "grassroots" candidate is sadly zilch. I know you know this already, but for those who don't, The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is responsible for that one. The exit of The League of Women Voters in 1988 was perhaps the last hope we had for any "fairness" in who gets to debate.
He or she that cannot debate is skewered from the start.
[edit on 7-2-2010 by timewalker]
Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
I really can't trust any politician anymore. With my beliefs I think that every person who steps into the Whitehouse is going to be controlled by a higher power anyway so what's the point of even trying to get people like ron paul in? He would never get in, they would never let him.
Originally posted by seethelight
So much of this is factually incorrect.
Honestly, you are the "complete idiot" in question.
Turn off Rush and Beck and learn a bit about the actual people around you.
Youth vote may have been key in Obama's win
Young voters had 'record turnout,' preferred Democrat by wide margin
Early reports are indicating that the youngest members of the country's electorate voted Tuesday in higher numbers than in the last presidential election — and they voted more Democratic. Youth turnout appears to be exceeding 2004 levels, which was itself a year with a big surge in voters ages 18 to 29.
“We expected record turnout, and that is what we’re seeing right now,” says Heather Smith, a spokeswoman for Rock the Vote, an organization that works to encourage young people to register and vote in every election.
What’s more, young voters may prove to have been the key to Barack Obama's victory. Young voters preferred Obama over John McCain by 68 percent to 30 percent — the highest share of the youth vote obtained by any candidate since exit polls began reporting results by age in 1976, according to CIRCLE, a non-partisan organization that promotes research on the political engagement of Americans between ages 15 and 25.
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Young Voters Powered Obama's Victory While Shrugging Off Slacker Image
By Amanda Ruggeri
Posted November 6, 2008
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Up to 54.5 percent of Americans ages 18 to 29 voted on Tuesday, just 1 percentage point shy of youth voter turnout's all-time high in 1972, according to preliminary reports. They made up a higher proportion of the electorate—18 percent—than the 65-and-older age category, which accounted for 16 percent.
And they leaned overwhelmingly toward the Democratic ticket. For every one vote cast for John McCain, two young people cast votes for Obama.
Both Indiana and North Carolina went blue solely because of the millennials, as 18-to-29-year-olds are known. Barack Obama lost every other age category in those states. And in the battleground state of Florida, although Obama had a very slight edge in other age groups overall, it was the 61 percent of youths who cast Democratic ballots that solidified his lead.
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UNLV Students Organize for Barack on Campus
By Michael Pipe - Oct 24th, 2007 at 8:05 pm EDT
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Chapters of Students for Barack Obama are forming in high schools and colleges all across the country. Students here in Nevada are eager to organize and spread the word about Barack. The University of Nevada, Reno has been featured on the Nevada blog before and has a fantastic grassroots presence on campus. Their bretheren and sisters in the south are organizing the campus of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
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Originally posted by seethelight
Not true.
The majority of conservatives WOULD vote for here for President (even though, hilariously, less than a majority think she's qualified... that's conservatives for you...)
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by seethelight
Not true.
The majority of conservatives WOULD vote for here for President (even though, hilariously, less than a majority think she's qualified... that's conservatives for you...)
Obviously you don't know what the heck you are talking about. BTW, I want to know how you came up with that claim?... You are in Ireland, yet you claim to know how "conservatives/Republicans" would vote?.... Don't tell me, you can read people's minds....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Your name should be "intotaldarkness" because you keep talking about things you don't know anything about, yet you seem to claim to know how American conservative/Republicans think....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, people like yourself are so ignorant about the history, or the Constitution of the U.S. that you obviously don't know, nor understand that the U.S. is a Republic, and a "true Republican" is an advocate of the Republic... Yet ignorant morons think that the word "Republican" and or "conservative" is an insult to an American....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
And of course, the "ignoramus moronics" that unforunately exist all over the globe think that being a "conservative, and or a Republican" in the U.S. means you are a bad person....
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Hell even our Constitution (U.S) clearly says the only form of government that shall be guaranteed to every state is a "Republican form of government"... But it has been the ignorance about the history of the U.S., and the total lack of a moral compass, or lack of love for the U.S. Constitution in the part of ALL Progressives, and unfortunately even Republicans, who once were "Progressive, or Democrats" or even those who sold their soul, and are selling the Republic of the U.S. for money; it is because of these people, plus the help from countries, and groups who have always wanted to see the Republic of the U.S. destroyed, that the Republic of the U.S. is dying, and it is also because of them that there is a global economic crisis.
[edit on 10-2-2010 by ElectricUniverse]