Area 51 Victor Revealed !!

Originally posted by Before2017Victor
^ There's no proof of that though.
Why would Streiber do that?

Also, in "Victor"'s last interview he pointed out Sean David Morton as someone he did not like seeing in the documentary.

It makes no sense why all these guys would come together to make stuff up.

No sense huh? You must be joking. These guys gain both money and fame from this sham. That makes perfect sense to me.

naw, i pass on this theory.
Bob Dean is a southern gentleman and it is reflected in his speech.
Victor sounds a lot more further north.


[edit on 8-2-2010 by dalek]

Originally posted by Marrr

I think some of you severely underestimate the human race. You're being duped.
Name one gdamn thing that Victor breaks on this revelation of an interview?
When has S4 EVER been proven to exist?
Where are the roads that the employees are shuttled to and from S4?
These bus tracks should be more than visible on the satellite shots of the base?

You are completely ignoring and deflecting the issue. I simply pointed out statistical facts that Streiber could not be 'Victor'. This point has no reference to the validity of Victor's claims. Sure, he could be lying, but we don't know. Is S4 real? I don't know.

Then again, does it stand to reason there are a few bases in the United States that can't be proven to exist? You tell me....

Originally posted by minkey53
reply to post by Diplomat

 

Why would such famous people steer us away from the "truth", what have they got to gain?

If what they are saying is wrong, what is right, the truth??

What are we missing here?

The truth is that actual physical entities most likely do exist on other planets in our galaxy and universe, but they do not come to Earth very often, if at all.

When people see "UFOs" they are usually seeing 1 of 2 things: Advanced crafts built by humans or EXTRADIMENSIONAL entities.

Some people call them aliens, some people call them demons, some call them spirits, Muslims call them the "Jinn,"... same thing. They exist all around us, we simply cannot perceive them with our 5 senses as we are in our own 3rd dimension.

The biggest secret of all is that the so-called "elites" of this planet are working with these negative extradimensional beings. They use things like magick and rituals to conjure the entities into our dimension. This is why they want us all so confused when it comes to the subject of "Aliens," because unfortunately they are going to use it against us.

In order to finally bring in their one world government and one world religion there will be a massive hoax... a false flag "alien attack" if you will. Why do you think there are so many "scary" hollywood alien movies? They have been conditioning us for this event. Since the humans here on Earth already possess "Alien-like" technology it won't be very hard for them to pull it off.

Aleister Crowley was a Satanic freemason who would use magick and conjure demons. One demon he conjured was named "LAM." Now why do you think it is that LAM looks EXACTLY like your typical "grey alien?"




This post is all over the place and probably doesn't even make the best of sense because this is such a deep subject, but let me know if you have any questions.

While people like Bob Lazar are telling stories of Aliens from some other star system other people who really worked at Area 51 were trying to explain the truth.... like this guy who called into Coast to Coast AM. Listen to what he says...



[edit on 9-2-2010 by Diplomat]

reply to post by NightVision


I didn't respond to you immediately since I view Whitley Strieber's supposed communication attempts as deception. I'm not 100% sure that Art had fastblast back then also. Fax and email absolutely, but not sure about fastblast.

Strieber calling to wherever does not sit right with me. Why would he do that? If Art thought WS's relevancy on the topic was important, certainly he would have called him or told him to call while on air. That's just a little too self-serving and rude in my opinion.

If what was happening on the show was so important to WS, why would he be spending time in a conversation on the phone and miss out on the interview? Does this suggest WS was not calling wherever while the interview was occuring, but instead calling during commercial breaks? If so, we could probably close it there. I assume Victor was calling Art with a cellular phone, so it is conceivable that WS phoned as both if he did so during breaks.

All of this activity by WS reaks of deception tactics to me. Personally, I do not believe WS and Victor carried on seperate and simultaneous conversations at any time. How many phonecalls did Ramona receive from other well-knowns in the ufo community? There are most certainly more hardcore self promoters out there than WS, yet I doubt any tried calling that night. WS's actions are nothing more to me than someone trying to prove himself as a non-participant in this drama.

At best, this draws some focus off Art as one of the hoaxers if it's proven to be legitimate. Which is entirely within the realm of possiblities in my opinion, albeit not likely.

[edit on 10-2-2010 by Marrr]

reply to post by Diplomat


Dear Diplomat

I really appreciated hearing that bit of the Art bell phone call.

Here is what I think about it.

For certain the guy on the phone is either a genuine basket case or should be in the movies.

So we will go with basket case. Now was he a basket case because of what he knows?? It reminds me of a thread that was either by Ethan or indeed infected by the same. All this about safe areas etc,.

Just remember folks there are a lot of genuine wack jobs out there.

Originally posted by Marrr


Strieber calling to wherever does not sit right with me. Why would he do that? If Art thought WS's relevancy on the topic was important, certainly he would have called him or told him to call while on air. That's just a little too self-serving and rude in my opinion.

Maybe I didn't explain this to you thoroughly enough. Whitley was and still is a regular guest on C2C, he is often brought for commentary on many shows featuring ET phenomena. While you may view his presence as self serving and rude, the millions of people who bought his books and listen to his radio show tend to disagree. Me personally, I don't care either way.

If what was happening on the show was so important to WS, why would he be spending time in a conversation on the phone and miss out on the interview? Does this suggest WS was not calling wherever while the interview was occuring, but instead calling during commercial breaks? If so, we could probably close it there. I assume Victor was calling Art with a cellular phone, so it is conceivable that WS phoned as both if he did so during breaks.

He didn't. He called in WHILE Victor was on the air. Did you not read my post?

All of this activity by WS reaks of deception tactics to me. Personally, I do not believe WS and Victor carried on seperate and simultaneous conversations at any time. How many phonecalls did Ramona receive from other well-knowns in the ufo community? There are most certainly more hardcore self promoters out there than WS, yet I doubt any tried calling that night. WS's actions are nothing more to me than someone trying to prove himself as a non-participant in this drama.

I grant you WS and Victor's speech patterns are similar, but they are not the same person. I de-scrambled 'Victor's' voice distortion and compared it to Whitely's voice. They are in fact different people. Believe what you want. Like many, you simply haven't done enough research to come to an informed a conclusion.

If you do a Victor thread search, you'll find a thread I made on him where the audio of his real voice can be heard.

reply to post by NightVision


Malcram sorry NightVision how did you de-scramble his voice? What software did you use? Are you sure the result was accurate?

reply to post by NightVision


No, you explained it. I disagree with it. It is damn suspicious behaviour and that is what I was pointing out. Do you read my posts??

Simply because someone claims WS called does little for me. Whether it is you, Art Bell, or whoever. I've read your posts. Have listened to the show more times than I care to be honest.

In a matter such as this, one cannot make a definitive conclusion until all of the possiblites have been ruled out. Those conditions have not been met for me. I'm not sure if they ever will be met.

I've listened to the voice descrambled and disagree with your analysis.

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by NightVision

 

Malcram sorry NightVision

how did you de-scramble his voice? What software did you
use? Are you sure the result was accurate?

I decoded Victor's voice sometime ago and posted the video in another thread
discussing if Victor was Bob Dean, the test proved Victor was not Bob Dean also not
Whitley Strieber. I used the Steinberger Wave Lab, ask around to check if it's accurate.
Now check the comparison to see the result in this link.



My opinion: I still think this Victor is just an actor hired by Rocket Pictures at that time
reading a script in the dark. His voice is different to the Victor from the Art Bell radio
show, just compare both voices.

Originally posted by stanlee
i think bob dean, and the rest of project camel toe are about as real as santa. just attention whores spreading their BS new age hippy crap

[edit on 7-2-2010 by stanlee]

You remind me a little of Hemingway. What a knack you have with words - and only one correction in a draft of 2 entire sentences. What an improvement. Where did you ever learn to write with such original wit and style? Let me take a guess...Jail?

reply to post by NightVision

That would be next to impossible as Strieber called into C2C and spoke w. Art Bell's production people while 'Victor' was on the air.

If only technology was available that could allow Strieber to speak whilst the Victor character was on air?! Surely if Striber was in on the hoax, he wouldn't be so devious as to actually ring the same show when Victor was on air? Surely a hoaxer wouldn't be dishonest or deceitful?

There must be the technology...somewhere...somehow? Maybe one of those new-fangled DVD camera wotsits?

Originally posted by Kandinsky

If only technology was available that could allow Strieber to speak whilst the Victor character was on air?! Surely if Striber was in on the hoax, he wouldn't be so devious as to actually ring the same show when Victor was on air? Surely a hoaxer wouldn't be dishonest or deceitful?

Not only did Strieber call in during that show, but both 'General A' and 'Victor' have had really nice things to say about Streiber.

Apart from some strange delays and what seemed like a low battery in the voice disguise, the show was quite entertaining. And afterall, it is only an entertainment show - even Art says so.

Edit: I think Strieber is the original Art Bell Victor. Then eventually some trolls took the character out for a spin.


[edit on 12-2-2010 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by Exuberant1
The messy world of ufology and the BS artists....why do we keep coming back to it?! I'm off to work and the 'real world,' take it easy Ex

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Exuberant1

 

The messy world of ufology and the BS artists....why do we keep coming back to it?! I'm off to work and the 'real world,' take it easy Ex

I finds the leads... I follows them.

This case was good fun though. And it is fun to see the reactions when you post the results:

"Art Bell ,Whitley Streiber in on a hoax, No Way!? They're so nice"

"This isn't true because Whitley Streiber comes on C2C now so it's not a hoax. It cannot be"

"Bob Dean... Anybody but Whitley in collusion with Art Bell! Not them!"



^^Of course, I'm paraphrasing from memory here.^^

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by Before2017Victor
^ There's no proof of that though.
Why would Streiber do that?

Also, in "Victor"'s last interview he pointed out Sean David Morton as someone he did not like seeing in the documentary.

It makes no sense why all these guys would come together to make stuff up.

No sense huh? You must be joking. These guys gain both money and fame from this sham. That makes perfect sense to me.

Yes, but these guys?
I understand why they would do something like that for financial gain, but it would be a stupid thing to do. These guys are the ones who believe or KNOW about the reality of ETs so they say. Pulling a stunt like that would hurt their own cause.

How much money can those guys make off that kind of thing? If those guys can make a living by fooling people that's sickening.

Originally posted by Before2017Victor
These guys are the ones who believe or KNOW about the reality of ETs so they say. Pulling a stunt like that would hurt their own cause.

They don't know squat.

Streiber is a nutcase/liar and Art Bell is an admitted Entertainer.

*And it wouldn't hurt their cause. Only a minority would ever believe that the wonderful Art Bell would ever betray them so.

It was an interesting show and entertaining. - but like most things in the field, that show was unadulterated BS.

There is no proof of Aliens visiting the earth - let alone proof of aliens abducting Whitley Streiber and probing his derriere.

Originally posted by Marrr

No, you explained it. I disagree with it. It is damn suspicious behaviour and that is what I was pointing out. Do you read my posts??

What suspicious behavior are you referring to exactly?

Simply because someone claims WS called does little for me. Whether it is you, Art Bell, or whoever. I've read your posts. Have listened to the show more times than I care to be honest.

It wasn't me who claimed Whitley was emailing/calling him during the show. It was Art Bell. Perhaps you missed that bit during the 'countless' times you've listened to it. Art Bell is a lot of things I do not believe he would deliberately mislead and lie to his audience.

I've listened to the voice descrambled and disagree with your analysis.

I highly doubt that; as the link to my original analysis has been down for some time. Here

If you want to continue to live in denial without even listening to the evidence I have presented, that's your business...but don't be a liar. That's disrespectful.

When you want to actually listen to what I have to present, let me know...






[edit on 12-2-2010 by NightVision]

reply to post by NightVision


To me it seemed he was making sure his name was heard that night. For someone that didn't want to have anything to do with the interview from the beginning, yes, to me that is suspicious.

Enough of this pissing match about who has or has not listened to the show the most times, ok? Now on to your statement.
I don't think Art would be in on the hoax either, however. If WS was proven to be in on it, whether as Victor, or for something as simple as media exposure for himself then yes, Art making cover comments for WS becomes important.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Streiber also did the voice of "General A" - another of Art's guests.

I cannot find anything on this General A. Who is this peron? Don't believe I was fortunate enough to hear him being interviewed. Every search I've done usually pulls up nil. What's the word on this General A?