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reply to post by backinblack
But I don't think flaps were used by the 757 that hit the pentagon..
But I'd still like an expert to tell me how hard it was to hold the plane level at that speed and altitude..
Lift is proportionate to air density, 3 times higher at GL compared to cruise height..
Lift is increased by V squared..500mph would create a lot of lift...
No they weren't it would be impossible. Weedy our resident expert pilot made that claim.
Originally posted by backinblack
But I'd still like an expert to tell me how hard it was to hold the plane level at that speed and altitude..
Lift is proportionate to air density, 3 times higher at GL compared to cruise height..
Lift is increased by V squared..500mph would create a lot of lift...
Originally posted by gandalphthegrey
Who in their right mind would believe a 747 hit the pentagon ?
A : Disinfo' Agents
B: Die hard , flag waving patriots
C: Total morons
There has never been a single shread of evidence published to back up the OS, but plenty to refute it .
When are the blind sheep going to finally open their eyes ?
Originally posted by Alfie1
Originally posted by gandalphthegrey
Who in their right mind would believe a 747 hit the pentagon ?
A : Disinfo' Agents
B: Die hard , flag waving patriots
C: Total morons
There has never been a single shread of evidence published to back up the OS, but plenty to refute it .
When are the blind sheep going to finally open their eyes ?
Wow, you can't even get the plane right but you accuse others of being " blind sheep " !
When you say there is not " a single shred of evidence " am I to take it that you are genuinely unaware of the raft of eyewitnesses, the radar and air traffic control records, the dna identified body parts of passengers and crew recovered from the Pentagon, the flight data recorder ( now fully decoded ), aircraft wreckage identified as from a Boeing 757 ?
Originally posted by gandalphthegrey
Who in their right mind would believe a 747 hit the pentagon ?
A : Disinfo' Agents
B: Die hard , flag waving patriots
C: Total morons
There has never been a single shread of evidence published to back up the OS, but plenty to refute it .
When are the blind sheep going to finally open their eyes ?
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by gandalphthegrey
Who in their right mind would believe a 747 hit the pentagon ?
A : Disinfo' Agents
B: Die hard , flag waving patriots
C: Total morons
There has never been a single shread of evidence published to back up the OS, but plenty to refute it .
When are the blind sheep going to finally open their eyes ?
Hmmmmmm, let me see now. I would choose either A. or
E. No One.
Yes, that's it. E is correct, but I'll bet the poster doesn't know why!
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by backinblack
But I'd still like an expert to tell me how hard it was to hold the plane level at that speed and altitude..
Lift is proportionate to air density, 3 times higher at GL compared to cruise height..
Lift is increased by V squared..500mph would create a lot of lift...
So, what is the problem and why do you think it would be difficult to steer at that speed and altitude? All you've posted is simply some information and expressions of incredulity. That is insufficient to conclude or even suspect anything. Again, that is simply idle speculation based on insignificant issues compounded by an obvious ignorance of aerodynamic affects on the controls of a B-757.
Originally posted by backinblack
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by backinblack
But I'd still like an expert to tell me how hard it was to hold the plane level at that speed and altitude..
Lift is proportionate to air density, 3 times higher at GL compared to cruise height..
Lift is increased by V squared..500mph would create a lot of lift...
So, what is the problem and why do you think it would be difficult to steer at that speed and altitude? All you've posted is simply some information and expressions of incredulity. That is insufficient to conclude or even suspect anything. Again, that is simply idle speculation based on insignificant issues compounded by an obvious ignorance of aerodynamic affects on the controls of a B-757.
Ignorance of aerodynamics??
I know a little but it's also why I said I'd like an experts opinion..
I understand my limitations on the matter, do you??
I never mentioned any issues with steering the plane, you made that up..
i just asked how hard it would be to hold the plane straight and level at such low altitude with so much lift acting on the wings..
Don't keep twisting my posts..It's annoying...
An aircraft must produce lift or else it falls to the ground. Duh' So, why was this a particular problem? Do you think it would act like a helicopter lifting off and go straight up because of "so much lift"?
Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by gandalphthegrey
The pilot types are set and determined to discuss airplanes because they are more confusing to laymen to discuss, and easier for them to discuss than the evidence. Don't diss them or you'll get spanked by the mods. We've all been spanked lately.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by gandalphthegrey
More advice..
It was a 757. Not a 747..
These guys even pick up on silly details like that.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Reheat
An aircraft must produce lift or else it falls to the ground. Duh' So, why was this a particular problem? Do you think it would act like a helicopter lifting off and go straight up because of "so much lift"?
No mate, but IMO it would be hard to keep down..
I asked for an expert opinion..
If you have one then give it with details of lift under those conditions and what would need to be done to counteract.
If not, why continue with the crap ?
Here's an unbiased site that has reached the same conclusion. Although the discussion is primary about Ground Effect it does address other issues involved and arrives at the same conclusion I've stated several times. Are you really so dense that you still don't understand that or are you just playing a silly game?
Originally posted by Reheat
Here's an unbiased site that has reached the same conclusion.
Originally posted by backinblack
I read the whole article..
Lift is not addressed in any detail at all..
You and Weed have really just brushed off the question with little or no detail..
Neither of you have ever been in the situation so your opinions are just that and not based on experience..