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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
contained such a deep critique of American capitalist imperialism;
Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
If you put 2 Green Bay Packers fans together , they will talk about how great the Green Bay Packers are.
Put 1 GB fan with a Bears fan, then the teams will be broken down into parts , as to which is better .
(not a great example, but it works)
I would have liked to talk to him , I would have asked HARD questions.
You can put him on any list you want , btw.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Sorry, I don't get you? Not being argumentative, it's just I'm from the UK so I don't really understand US sport (apart from baseball, a bit).
I understand that I am at liberty to do what I want. I just find it so very unlikely that Greengrass is a paid agent for the NWO (or whoever).
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I have one question I suppose.
Do I need to add Paul Greengrass to the list of people implicated in 9/11?
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I have one question I suppose.
Do I need to add Paul Greengrass to the list of people implicated in 9/11?
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Do I need to add Paul Greengrass to the list of people implicated in 9/11?
Originally posted by MrVertigo
It seems that you are under the impression that everybody who believes that 9/11 is an inside job, believes that everyone who adheres to the official story is somehow implicated.
This is obviously ridiculously implausible, so my question to you would be:
Why on earth do you feel the need to ask this question?
Originally posted by bsbray11
No, you can just add him to the list of people who still believe the official line in all its flag-waving glory.
Even a lot of "debunkers" around here believe Flight 93 was shot down and then lied about, like esdad. I wonder if the movie depicted the debris field scattering across 8 miles, or an engine "bouncing" some ~1000 feet into dense woods, or the "explosion" and smoke one person calling from the flight referred to as it was crashing. I never watched the movie -- intentionally -- so I wouldn't know, but I doubt it.
Perhaps you're the one who's frightened of having your preconceptions challenged?
It sounds like you got a good, fresh dose of reassurance from this guy, though, huh?
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
It amuses me that you think that people who don't believe the TM version(s) of events are the ones in need of reassurance. Personally i find the world depicted in the film - and the reality I think it goes some way towards portraying - much more terrifying than the world according to your conspiracy theory.
You admit that you are a radical isolationist. The world for you is full of complicated and frightening threats to US - and therefore your - utopian interests.
It makes sense that you would ascribe to a story where the bad guys are small in number, easily understood (from your POV) and, in the final analysis, white Americans. It makes things less frightening.
Originally posted by bsbray11
Even a lot of "debunkers" around here believe Flight 93 was shot down and then lied about, like esdad.
Originally posted by ImAPepper
esdad, although a debunker is mistaken. Any debunker that thinks Flight 93 was shot down is about as well informed as 911 Truthers.
The plane was deliberately crashed. PERIOD. Mountains of evidence prove this.
Originally posted by bsbray11
You know what, you're right. Damn.
Of all the weird stuff I've seen about Flight 93, people calling from it and indicating the plane was smoking and there was an "explosion" on board,
-Gordon Felt
"It never happened"
the debris being scattered for 8 miles,
the engine being sent so far into dense woods,
people reporting hearing multiple explosions in the area when it went down (only one of which would the plane actually hitting the ground), and several people hearing jets in the area, including Vietnam veterans who, according to the mayor of Shanksville, swore they heard a missile launched.
You can tell me you have mountains and oceans and planets of evidence all day, but unless YOU ACTUALLY POST IT you're wasting your time.
Originally posted by ImAPepper
Originally posted by bsbray11
You know what, you're right. Damn.
I know I am.
Please list the "people" that stated this. Edward Felt was the only one that I am aware of that was falsely reported as to have said anything about smoke.
Cramer will say that Felt describes an explosion on the aircraft and smoke coming from it, but others—including Shaw—will deny this (see (Between 9:58 a.m. and 9:59 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Associated Press, 9/11/2001; Federal Bureau of Investigation, 9/12/2001 pdf file; Longman, 2002, pp. 264; Valley News Dispatch, 9/11/2002]
Edwards brother listened to the 911 tape.
the debris being scattered for 8 miles,
What debris were found in Baltimore? Please describe them, then please look into what the NSTB thought about this.
the engine being sent so far into dense woods,
"It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground,"
BsBray...have you found any professionals that disagree?
We all know that witness statements are all over the place.
I'm sure you know this. Can you please point out the witnesses that stated that they saw smoke and or fire coming from flight 93 on it's way down?
Bob Blair saw it... does he mention fire? or smoke?
Rob Kimmel ... what did he see? (read Among the Heroes, by Jere Longman, p. 210-211)
Tom Fritz? ... any fire?
Terry Butler ?
Why don't you look into what they saw.
Don't forget Lee Purbaugh.. he watched the crash too.
It's been posted...over and over and over. Sorry you've missed it. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
Originally posted by bsbray11
That's probably because you haven't seen or read 1984, which depicts a much worse world than one in which random planes are hijacked.
I have a greater chance of dying in a car accident, which I already almost have, twice. I have never once in my life been afraid of dying to a Muslim extremist. Never. When I see Muslims in person the only thing I feel is sympathy for them for what they must go through because of people who have been brainwashed no different than Jews being mistreated in Nazi Germany before they started hauling them off in masses.
Have you ever considered that the whole reason Middle Eastern people hate Americans to begin with is our foreign policy? Don't tell me you're one of those people who think they hate us "because of our freedom."
Isolationism isn't "radical." It was what our founding fathers explicitly stated they wanted this country to follow, and we did, until around the Spanish American War ... That's why all these countries are PISSED at us. But our leaders like it like that because they WANT somebody to start something with us. It's big money.
Again, never in my life, have I been "frightened" of Muslim terrorists. If YOU have then you're being completely ridiculous, though I suspect you aren't really worried about them either. However being declared a "domestic terrorist" because of what I say and hauled off to a prison camp one day is a concern of mine, and "al Qaeda" has nothing to do with THAT.