Sky Lanterns - The Begining of the End in UK?

reply to post by Daisy-Lola


I have to agree. We let a load off over here in Liverpool, they looked great.

All it means is that the general public are going to have to be a bit more diligent than usual, which wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

The problem is not the sky lanterns but the general public being all to eager to spot a UFO. Usually after a night in the pub.

reply to post by hermantinkly


Watch your little video again from 20-24 seconds he says twice whats that thing its in LOOK at the shape round your so called orb what does it look like .
Why did they not hop over the wall and walk up to the tree line were it was
Now for your other video point a video camera at a bright star or lights of a plane landing zoom in make sure its out of focus what do you get that womans so called orb.
There are hundreds of videos like that on you tube anyone who knows a bit about photography can see on that video the object is out of focus.

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
Just a couple of pointers here:

These things come with instructions. Read them.
In the UK, they are classified under the same regulations as fireworks, so are not available to under 18s (as if thats going to stop them being sold)

In some European countries, people might be better about reading instructions, but most Americans don't read instructions, however I agree with you instructions should be read.

Years ago, I saw a videotape of an experiment where the researchers gave some toys with instructions to some German children, most read the instructions first then played with the toys, but most American children just started playing with the toy and never read the instructions, so maybe it's a cultural thing. From what I've seen the American kids never got any better at reading instructions as adults.

For example I wonder how many people actually call the coast guard before setting off a sky lantern on or near the beach, what do you think? Less than half?

It's good that you're already able to get the biodegradable type though, I didn't realize those were commercial yet, so that has no wires or metal parts?

[edit on 3-2-2010 by Arbitrageur]

reply to post by waveguide3


i hope you are not mirroring the thoughts of the farmers!

the things are harmless! ...

its no wonder its getting so crap to love in the uk with EVERYTHING thats remotely fun gets made illegal or banned!

and they are CHINESE lanterns! .. as they originate from china!

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
Waveguide3, theyre not impossible to put out,

Done it have you?

and despite you may think, its more foolhardy to launch rockets and other fireworks.

That's not only untrue it's illogical.

The principle of hot air balloons is that hot air rises, therefore, when its cool, it lands.

Most do, mine didn't. It rose slowly, but drifted sideways much faster. It was too high to retrieve and we watched/chased it as it drifted over some lifestock sheds and into a large tree. All this was so far away from the launch, it was quite unexpected. These things are hand made and therefore very variable in their behaviour. It's this unpredictability that makes them dangerous.

Again, as with most things, safety is in the instructions and if followed they are quite safe.

We followed the instructions. They are unpredicatble and therefore potentially lethal.

Why are you talking like you have shares in sky lanterns?

WG3

Originally posted by boaby_phet

i hope you are not mirroring the thoughts of the farmers!

I was quoting from the BBC News. I was sure of their potential danger long before the farmers story was aired.

the things are harmless! ...

That's simply not true. I have personally experienced a sky lantern getting trapped over livestock and wooden sheds. It was a miracle the tree didn't ignite and a serious fire result.

its no wonder its getting so crap to love in the uk with EVERYTHING thats remotely fun gets made illegal or banned!

They aren't banned so don't get yer knickers all twisted.

and they are CHINESE lanterns! .. as they originate from china!

Don't just blame the Chinese. Many Asian countries have the sky lantern tradition. Most of the lanterns sold on eBay don't come from China.

WG3

im not blaming the chineese ! LMAO

those sorts of floating lanterns are originaly from china... nothing here blaming the chineese at all dude!


its not a miricle the stuff didnt set on fire, mainly as it didnt ! miricles dont happen, just the correct circumstance!

Originally posted by MR BOB
reply to post by waveguide3

 

well whos fault would that have been if the worse happened?

you should take into account these things. if you cannot asses the risks of releasing them where you are then you should not have them, full stop.

while what you say is true, it is faulty logic. Lets apply this logic elsewhere...


..."If people can't stop murdering others..."

laws are made for public safety. It isn't the sane people i need protecting from. It is the nutjobs.

Ever heard of "Jarts"? They were also known as "Lawn Darts" Large darts tht you lofted into the air, trying to hit a target on the other side of the yard. Your opponent stood near the target and would throw them back, trying to hit the target next to you. Know how many kids were injured/killed by these things?

I am a libertarian, and even I see the need to create a law to address the stupidity here.

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by hermantinkly

 

Watch your little video again from 20-24 seconds he says twice whats that thing its in LOOK at the shape round your so called orb what does it look like

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As the human being who took that footage I can guarantee to you that it was one of the most incredible things I have seen. You want to know what it looks looks like? It looks like a ufo orb, or foo fighter, or call it whatever you like, but it's just not a chinese lantern, fire fly, camp fire, or marsh gas.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


Re your avatar can you post a link to the video thats from you posted a link to that before and can I ask why you didn't hop over the wall and walk up to the tree line

Originally posted by wmd_2008
reply to post by ufoorbhunter

 

Re your avatar can you post a link to the video thats from you posted a link to that before and can I ask why you didn't hop over the wall and walk up to the tree line

You may need to repost that, I cannot make head nor tail of what you mean, I have an idea but it doesn't make much sense in the first sentence..

On topic:

Ufoorbhunter: do you have any other footage/photo's of your sighting? It could well help the thread concerning the difference between UFO orbs and Chinese lanterns.. It would be nice to compare the two if indeed your footage is what you say it is..



[edit on 4-2-2010 by Majestic RNA]

reply to post by Arbitrageur

If you launch a sky lantern which ends up burning down my house, I will sue you (and I've never sued anyone for anything before). Your excuses that you couldn't predict that the wind direction would change after you launched it won't be a defense, you already know wind directions can change and be unpredictable.

What exaclty is it going to set on fire outside your house? do you live in a wood log cabin within 4/5 miles of me?

aslo you wouldnt be able to sue me. because the lack of evidence.

Originally posted by waveguide3

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola

and despite you may think, its more foolhardy to launch rockets and other fireworks.

That's not only untrue it's illogical.

No its not. As with sky lanterns fireworks are handmade. often in china, and then imported. i have had many rockets (not bottle rockets) launched from a large PVC tube, that simply went up for 2 feet and went sideways, then bursting.

I had this happen several times, from several different manafactururs. both english and chinese.

Same with cakes. secured into the ground with several stakes, and strong ducttape(safest way) lit them, and retreated correct distance. only for them to fire about 5 feet into air, and land near me. some with bursts.
you can also get small peices burning metal fall fromt he sky.

also had single shot roman candles, simply explode.(no i didnt set them upside down)

Also another thing with rockets, the stick used to stabalise it, goes up very high with the rocket, these can easily fall onto your head/pets heads. go though car windscreens.

alot of poeple in the uk buy very big rockets wich have very large, sticks on them too.

reply to post by wmd_2008
I didn't hop the wall because of many reasons. Like 5 in the morning and tired out, following what I'd been put through five days before a little wary of being abducted and just careful, it's really strange stuff mate, not every day encounters. Keep the distance, I mean I am human, and it is pretty odd stuff when you get close, call it scared of the unknown. I was four foot from one on the previous Sunday and it was straight out the Bible

reply to post by Majestic RNA
video.google.com...#

That is the full 29 minute footage taken twenty minutes before that other singular 1.29 minute amber/orange type ufo orb. Please bear in mind these are real ufo orbs (not lanterns, marsh gas, fire flies) and I have seen these very close up on another occasion 5 days earlier, one turning into a Jesus light. They are intelligent btw and are connected to radiant white motherships so bright and luminescent it takes your breath away, the ships also crop spray you with a cotton wool like substance like that manna stuff in the Bible.

It's also on ATS media in better uncompressed version, but they only let me upload 11 mins worth then it stops and I don't know how to get the rest up. media.abovetopsecret.com...

My avatar is taken from the 29 min footage, if you watch the white type or the amber/orange type begin to cluster you will see shadows underneath like in my avatar. Also remind yourself these things appeared near Arbor Low the UKs most prominent northern stone circle that is the apex of the pyramid of the ley line system. Anyway I hope you enjoy the wonder of the ufo orbs, most people say there's no value in the footage because it is filmed on a mobile phone and shaky (I thought I did a good job at that time lol with a mobile for 29 mins) which makes me smile. They are real just like the foo Fighters of WW2

reply to post by Majestic RNA


It was to ufoorbhunter re his avatar its taken from a video he posted before I wanted a link to watch it again.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by wmd_2008]

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


Heh, I was just watching your vid before you posted, I should have really looked at your profile before posting my question, whilst I have the greatest admiration for you taking the video, like most of the posts on your thread about it I really can’t see anything truly amazing, I’m not having a go either, I’ve seen a few things in my lifetime, I wish I’d have taken a picture or video to prove what I’d seen, so you have one over on me, I’m taking it they didn’t look like Chinese lanterns and you know what C/L look like as apposed to real UFO Orbs now you’ve had this encounter?… if only we had scientific evidence of this phenomenon, then we could truly put the two side by side and make comparisons, it still doesn’t change my view however, Chinese lanterns should be either banned or restricted, with the law upholding the restrictions if they were indeed restricted to safe area’s…

Originally posted by MR BOB
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

If you launch a sky lantern which ends up burning down my house, I will sue you (and I've never sued anyone for anything before). Your excuses that you couldn't predict that the wind direction would change after you launched it won't be a defense, you already know wind directions can change and be unpredictable.

What exaclty is it going to set on fire outside your house? do you live in a wood log cabin within 4/5 miles of me?

aslo you wouldnt be able to sue me. because the lack of evidence.

My house is surrounded by trees, so it's pretty much the tree scenario, it lands in a tree, the tree catches fire and the high winds blow the fire from the tree onto the house.

Like most homes in the USA, mine has an "asphalt shingle" roof:

www.onlinetips.org...

Asphalt shingles are the most common type of roofing material used in the United States. Asphalt shingles are made with a fiberglass or organic base. It is covered with asphalt on one side and coated on the other side with granules of small gravel. They do offer some fire protection however they contain oil products which can catch fire when exposed to high heat.

It can probably resist catching on fire from a single Chinese lantern, or some stray embers landing on it, but if the lantern instead ignites the tree and the wind is blowing the flames from the burning tree on the roof like a gigantic blowtorch, asphalt shingle roofs CAN ignite.

And believe me I'm not the only one with trees close enough to my house that a strong wind could blow the fire from the trees to the house.

And thank you for demonstrating that we can't rely on individuals to assess the risks, the vast majority of people are not capable of doing so.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Arbitrageur]

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

I didn't hop the wall because of many reasons. Like 5 in the morning and tired out, following what I'd been put through five days before a little wary of being abducted and just careful, it's really strange stuff mate, not every day encounters. Keep the distance, I mean I am human, and it is pretty odd stuff when you get close, call it scared of the unknown. I was four foot from one on the previous Sunday and it was straight out the Bible

Sorry but I find your story really hard to believe if you had a chance to film were your so called orbs had been being tired out is a really weak excuse, I mean any of the other ufo fanatics on here would have jumped at the chance. It also very suspicious that someone who has had it seems more than one encounter has such bad equipment to film it with.
I have taken these stills from your videos the first one I call the tent
I think most people will see the obvious reason.



We also here you claim at the end of that video that the object takes off but when you watch the video around the one min mark you see it go out /turn off.

The other looks interesting as well look at what the red arrow points to.



Looks like someone walking in the field

In the video I took the second still from you can see what I assume is a farm house as your in the country.
You also see a torch at the start of that video I think its people in the field with torches.
Again you had an oppertunity to get closer but didn't take it again for someone who seems so into this subject I find that strange.
You also need to learn to film a bit better as all the sudden movements just blurs what you have and digital zoom just adds to the problem.

My personal interprettation of this video is of a gang of people with flaming torches of some kind. There's obviously a lot of smoke coming from them at certain stages and the fires seem to always be accompanied by people. Why these individuals would be doing such a crazy thing at that time and place I can't imagine. People do do strange things, for reasons best known to them. I certainly don't see anything of a UFO orb nature. I suppose someone with a certain mind set might interpret the scene differently.

WG3