Sherlock Holmes and Occultism on mass media

After reading a LOT about hidden symbolism on sites like The Vigilant Citizen and Secret Sun I am beginning to find the signals by myself.

I just saw the new Sherlock Holmes movie, i think is quite obvious the use of occultism symbology as the antagonist is a declared member of a secret society, and I also think is Very interesting that besides the obvious references to this secret group, there were a second level of messages that were more subtle, for example when Holmes declares he has been "illuminated", or that he has created "order from chaos" (rather "classic" occult ideas).

But, what really interest me is the story the movie is telling in a second plane:


- There was once a secret society that grabbed important political positions in Europe, they wished to lead humanity to a great good destiny, and they have a secret "magic" helping them to reach their goals.
-This society had certain child from their rituals, but something go wrong because the child turned out to be evil.
-The child managed to stealth the power from his parents.
-Maybe, the child did not really believed on its parents magic, but he believed in the new magic: Science, and he was very skilled on its use for its own egoist goals.

I would say, this Sherlock Holmes movie, was an explanation on the affairs between the high circles of freemasonry and Illuminati (maybe).
What is most interesting is what appears to be the final message:


-At the end, when the child is just about to grab world power, he is stopped by human spirit. Destiny, infinite, true "magic": kills evil child.


How did I arrived to this interpretation?? Well, i don't want to influence your opinion because first I would like to know if you agree or not with it, or if you have a different one. Maybe i am just seeing things where there are none.

Finally, if you agree that these messages are being hidden in this an other movies, i would like to know your opinion about the purpose of this messages (Ok, many of them seems to be the classic trick to make you sell your soul to the devil, but what about the others like Sherlock Holmes?? )

I saw the movie. I think the secret society that the movie was representing was in fact Freemasonry. But I also understand that that movie was FICTION. They disguised the society by giving it different symbolism. They used the common idea that these secret folks control everything behind the scenes. It was a very entertaining movie and left no doubt that Sherlock Holmes 2 will be in a theater near you soon, but don't look too far into it. The Matrix was just a movie too. Mr. Smith is not an agent.

Originally posted by oshdra
I would say, this Sherlock Holmes movie, was an explanation on the affairs between the high circles of freemasonry and Illuminati (maybe).
What is most interesting is what appears to be the final message:


-At the end, when the child is just about to grab world power, he is stopped by human spirit. Destiny, infinite, true "magic": kills evil child.

And I would say that is the same story that's been told for millennia in all cultures. It's a variation on Joseph Campbell's Hero with a thousand faces, and it's ultimately not that different than Star Wars or dozens of other movies, if you look at it more closely.

Originally posted by Sorcha Faal
It was a very entertaining movie and left no doubt that Sherlock Holmes 2 will be in a theater near you soon, but don't look too far into it. The Matrix was just a movie too. Mr. Smith is not an agent.

Isn't that like saying that "The Waste Land" from T.S. Elliot is just a poem?If i write: "The dark sun in his chest" we have nothing more than a metaphor, but the message may reflect a reality, it doesn't matter the fiction in it. Maybe even such described reality would be far more difficult to express in another way.

I think to not look further in movies like "The Matrix" is just a plain error.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
it's ultimately not that different than Star Wars or dozens of other movies, if you look at it more closely.

No, its not quite the same. The "same" comes when the good guy defeats the bad guy, yes. But here there is a new theme (i think): the active side of infinite. In Star Wars the characters have mystical powers, at most, it can be say that "The Force" guided Qui Won Jin to Anakin. Compare that to the execution of BlackWood. In some sense, the movie states that he is killed by God. Maybe this is more comparable to "The Omen".

I think this is remarkable because in the movie its a moment, when all the supposed "dark powers" turned out to be simple "tricks" in that very moment "real magic" comes into action. What does the movie try to tell us?

Originally posted by oshdra
I think this is remarkable because in the movie its a moment, when all the supposed "dark powers" turned out to be simple "tricks" in that very moment "real magic" comes into action. What does the movie try to tell us?

Granted, it's been a month or more since I've seen the movie, but I don't recall any "real magic" defeating Blackwood. Yes, it's revealed that all his "power" was fakery, but I don't remember anything particularly deus ex machina about his demise.

Originally posted by oshdra
What does the movie try to tell us?

That illusion is a strong precursor to produce effective fear for the ambitious to take control and that reason fears not and sets us free from outside influences due to it's logical progression?

...that and guy love is okay.



-m0r

Originally posted by JoshNorton
I don't remember anything particularly deus ex machina about his demise.

*SPOILER ALERT*
In the very last moment, Sherlock use an axe to cut the rope that is pulling Blackwood to the vacuum. Blackwood is safe and is planning to use that very Axe to attack Sherlock, of course, Sherlock is looking to some other side. In that moment, destiny attacks: Sherlock says something like: "so you will be properly hanged " , a very heavy chain felt upon Blackwood. Hanging him. The director makes a previous, very fatal, look to this chain on a crane.

I think that is a very Deus Ex Machina moment. Evil killed by casualty.

Originally posted by m0r1arty
illusion is a strong precursor to produce effective fear for the ambitious to take control and that reason fears not and sets us free from outside influences due to it's logical progression?

Not what i was thinking... But I totally agree with you

Still magic is in the air, because not everything in existence is susceptible to be reasoned... right?

...that and guy love is okay.
-m0r

LOL

Great. Now I HAVE to go see it.
It was bad enough my son wanted to see it for 'the cool clothes he saw' in the preview...

If you want to see Occultism in a movie, really deep, thoughtful occultism - the 9th Gate has it. That's maybe the best occult movie of all time, IMO. You have to really know symbolism and some occultism to start to get it though.

Originally posted by oshdra
Still magic is in the air, because not everything in existence is susceptible to be reasoned... right?

Not my personal outlook but sadly I can't say for sure because I don't have all the answers.

Magic for me is something a child appreciates. It is a trick, a suspension of belief that the fantastic can become real and the mundane become mystical.

Magic helps a child form ways of thinking which would be otherwise incomprehensible to them.

For an adult, such as I, magic is a gimmick which whilst it has it's place at children's parties and with street entertainers should never be taken seriously as it separates the gullible from their money and instils fear of the unknown into the feeble minded.

I exist, as do many others, to find out as much as possible about the unknown and tame chaos as best I can for future generations benefit through an open and free education.

Like I said, I may not be right - but it's a rough direction to go in I think.

Cheers for the thread, not sure if my username here gives it away but I'm a bit of a fan of Holmes.

-m0r:

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I do not remember who said that any enough sophisticated technology is unrecognizable from magic (Arthur Clark??)
Being a software developer, i really like logic. I love science, i enjoy computers. And for me, to have a laptop connected wireless to internet, while on my bedroom, is nothing but magic. I mean, i know about internet protocols, data layer protocols, electromagnetism, digital logic, transistors, etc, etc, etc. And still, in my mind, for this to be working is just so beautiful... Maybe is the younger generations that will not find wonder in 2010 technology.

When i think in traditional magic, i think in the classical wizard mixing strange things on a cauldron. Very much like Harry Potter on a Snape class. But then also, that is not very different to certain real science experiments... just replace the cauldron with some pyrex tubes %)

In the Sherlock Holmes movie, when Deus Ex Machina attacks, i can not but remember Voltaire:

"Chance is a word void of sense; nothing can exist without a cause. "

and so, what was the chance for Blackwood to be under the chain just in the exact point and time when it went down? and the chance for the chain to felt in such way to end hanging that man? I dont think the movie intended it to be just bad luck...

Nevertheless I understand your point. I dont want to be tricked into buying some charlatan nonsense. Maybe is the influence of the chemistry based tricks, but i would say that there are somethings out there (and inside us) that are somewhat "magical", like when you look to yourself in the mirror and realize you exist, or when you hold your baby in your arms, or (much less dramatical) when you success into making a computer do a really interesting task.

Kudos for free education!!

PD*Great avatar for this thread

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Ok, the 9th Gate, I will check it

Please, do not forget to write your impressions on this thread after watching the movie. I am curious if you will agree with my "interpretation" being aware of it %) Is an enjoyable movie, i think i liked it much more that i though i would do.

Originally posted by oshdra
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I do not remember who said that any enough sophisticated technology is unrecognizable from magic (Arthur Clark??)
Being a software developer, i really like logic. I love science, i enjoy computers. And for me, to have a laptop connected wireless to internet, while on my bedroom, is nothing but magic. I mean, i know about internet protocols, data layer protocols, electromagnetism, digital logic, transistors, etc, etc, etc. And still, in my mind, for this to be working is just so beautiful... Maybe is the younger generations that will not find wonder in 2010 technology.

That is exactly right. When I use $200 worth of small electronic equipment to take a live video picture, turn it into 1's and 0's, send it our over a small sliver of glass, then re-construct it back into a live-right now video feed, magic is the only thing that makes sense.

I agree that you should look into the hidden meaning behind most things in movies. The director and or writer usually do have something there for discovery, but always remember, fiction is called that for a reason. I just worry about those who can't tell a difference.

I think you're reaching.

It is one thing to hide stuff in a movie, it is another to use things that people find interesting and will attach to. The secret society stuff is interesting to most people.

It is a useful tool, I wouldn't associate everyone who uses a reference to it or pieces of it in a film or music with Freemasonry.

reply to post by Taskism


Sure there is a difference between use something because is fancy to use something because you indeed want to tell a message.

How can you tell the difference?

In Sherlock Holmes, they use lots of fancy masonry symbols, but that is not what i find as interesting as the story developing behind the main plot. Is this substory just a literary trick to catch audience attention? Yeah, maybe, how to know? For there to be tricks do not probe everything is a trick.

Hmm... I thought that mayperhap the director was havin' a dig at his ex-wife. I mean, the big bad baddies were QBLH mob, no?

reply to post by Auguste133

That is quite an interesting point. Although not only the bad guys were QBLH, also the victims were QBLH people (or mob if you wish). Nevertheless that is quite a point to think about %)

Like that QBL numeric value is 132... would not you agree Auguste133??

Hi all,

I saw the film yesterday night . . .

Your absolutely right, there is a lot of embedded symbolism in it, right from the credits, signs and billboards in the background, things written on walls behind the actors etc.

I guess you have to know it to see it, subtle but very clever

Thought the film was absolutely awesome, real genius! and the synergy between Jude Law and Robert Downey Jr was great, to reinvent the character of Sherlock is quite a hard thing to pull off, but it worked incredibly well.

Kudos to Guy Ritchie, he must be very aware to add what he did into the film.

Thanks for the thread. x

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Hi oxford!

I agree, it is a great movie, and the reinvention of the characters was a tricky thing to do, but it went very, very well.

Originally posted by oxford
I guess you have to know it to see it, subtle but very clever

Yeah, I think, this is a typical occultist artist behavior: to create works with 2 "main" readings