Nobel Prize winner, Francis Crick ,advanced civilisation transported seeds of life in a spacecraft

reply to post by Malcram


Guys, sorry for the brief OT.

Malcram,
Your signature is hilarious.

Peace.

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by Malcram


Well, nobody said it did, so what was your problem? You then said "And the fact that this was said by Crick does not add any additional credence to this idea." So clearly you had a problem with this idea being seen as having any credence. Actually, as we discussed, Cricks comments did lend credence to the idea.

Well, "somebody" did. The OP to be precise.

The late Francis Crick, Nobel Prize winner, co-discoverer of the shape of the DNA molecule and author of Life Itself, made the astounding claim ‘that an advanced civilisation transported the seeds of life in a spacecraft.

I disagree. There was no attempt on the part of the OP to dogmatically claim that this was Crick's definite conclusion, as they immediately quote him stating this as a "possibility" that they "considered". Had this not been mentioned in the OP, you might have had a point. But you have to take what you quoted in context.

Further - to be precise - the very portion you quoted is itself a quote (try Googling it), so may not actually originate with the OP, although you can be forgiven for not realizing this as there are no quote marks.


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reply to post by JayinAR


LOL. Thanks.

Maybe, as De Niro's Al Capone in the Untouchables says, "we laugh because it's funny and we laugh because it's true."

We should transport some extremophiles to Mars and make this speculative theory into a reality.

Of course we wouldn't be programming our history into their DNA or anything, but we will take a big step towards confirming the theory of directed panspermia should we succeed in seeding any life on another world.

Directed Panspermia wont just be speculation if we can send and get any type of Earth life to survive on Mars and replicate. It will have happened and will be a part of our reality. Even if we accidentally seed life on mars, it would take directed panspermia out of the realm of speculative theory.

*But speculating about abiogenesis will still be fun to do though.



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reply to post by Malcram

Thanks for pointing out the un-attributed quote.

Quite a source there, I've encountered it before. I can understand not providing a link but still...not quite kosher and frowned upon at ATS. None of the OP is original.

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reply to post by Phage


Hey Phage,

Do you think we will ever seed Mars with Earth life?

Do you want to?

Originally posted by Exuberant1
We should transport some extremophiles to Mars and make this speculative theory into a reality.

I'd rather we keep it speculation than a testable theory. Not that I am against exploring this possibility, but for ecological reasons. Humanity's track record of introducing alien species to environments where they have no natural predators is disastrous. Any native species existing on Mars could find themselves overwhelmed.

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I respect your viewpoint.

However, I would rather prove the theory than preserve Martian ecology.

It is fun to speculate, but we do have the means to test the theory and I think we should.

Edit:

Perhaps one day seeding life on barren worlds will be viewed as a moral imperative, rather than engaging in their preservation (as is your imperative today).

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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Malcram

 

Thanks for pointing out the un-attributed quote.

Quite a source there, I've encountered it before. I can understand not providing a link but still...not quite kosher and frowned upon at ATS. None of the OP is original.

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Yep, seeing as the felony charge has spectacularly failed to stick, let's comfort ourselves by sticking him with a speeding ticket instead.

What is the source? I've found this same text on countless sites. And does the source really matter, if the quoted content is accurate?

Your rather mean attitude here betrays your resentment towards the subject matter, IMO (The subject could well be boiled down to "Eminent Scientist considers ETH related theory valid"). As I said earlier, I feel that some here have been less than honest regarding their real motivation for posting in this thread, although Soylent (who apparently speaks for all of you "people", seems to disagree).

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Originally posted by Exuberant1
Perhaps one day seeding life on barren worlds will be viewed as a moral imperative, rather than engaging in their preservation (as is your imperative today).

We aren't sure Mars is barren.

Why would it be a moral imperative? I'm not scoffing at the suggestion, but curious why you think it could be.

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Coming full circle to his groundbreaking discovery of DNA's structure, Crick wondered, if life began in the great "primeval soup" suggested by the Miller/Urey experiment, why there wouldn't be a multitude of genetic materials among the different life forms. Instead, all life on Earth shares the same basic DNA structure.

This is an excellent bit of evidence contradicting the evolution argument.

Fascinating, and yet another reason a rational mind would consider this a theory, which it is, and nothing more until further evidence is found.

Why discredit a well-educated and obviously gifted scientist just because one doesn't agree with him?

How good does a scientist have to be to overcome beliefs with evidence? He didn't theorize about DNA, after all. Credibility is beyond question, is it not?

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I don't see how it discredits evolution at all.
Under any circumstances, really.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


Perhaps it won't be a moral imperative. Perhaps it will.

In any case, it is a testable theory. We have the means to test it and so we should.

Or we could continue to speculate.

I'd prefer to test the theory.

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I agree that it should be tested.
In fact, I would think that we could do it quite easily.

Originally posted by JayinAR
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I agree that it should be tested.
In fact, I would think that we could do it quite easily.

But what if we succeed and the life takes hold and begins to thrive?


.....We will have to face the reality of directed panspermia. That'll be fun to see.

reply to post by Exuberant1


It's the circle of life.

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People will still speculate about abiogenesis.

Proof won't phase some people. They'll say our proof doesn't count because we didn't send life to another star system, or did what could be accomplished with an asteroid strike.... they will move the goalposts.




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reply to post by Malcram

The OP's quote says that Crick claimed extraterrestrial origins. Yes, for some reason I thought that was the OP's opinion. Silly me. It might have been helpful if an original opinion had actually been offered to state his specific thoughts.

Mean attitude? Have you actually read my posts on this thread? If you have, it would seem that you have a rather large chip on your shoulder to take offense.


www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Some recent Russian DNA discoveries documented by Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf in their book Vernetzte Intelligenz have been summarized by Barbel Mohr:

‘The human DNA is a biological Internet’ with evidence that DNA can be ‘influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies.’

This suggests that ‘our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body, but also serves as data storage and communication.’ The Russian scientists and linguists have found that the genetic code ‘follows the same rules as all our human languages.’ In effect, human language did not appear coincidentally but is a reflection of our DNA.

Now that's something I might be "mean" about.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Oh sure.
Especially the ones who are questioning it on the planet you seeded.

reply to post by Phage


Wow, that is an amazing article.
Thanks for that.