There's a mystery in the skies of Earth

Here's a couple of great videos showing sprite lighting and blue jets. Very similar to the op.




another video here




Let me know if the videos don't work and Ill just post the links

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"The importance of this simple experiment cannot be overstated because it demonstrates that aurorae and lightning seem to require an electrical power source external to the Earth! That would explain the puzzle raised by Bering: "The charge that produces sprites is not below in the cloud, it's in the mesosphere itself."

How does this experiment prove anything? They created a plasma globe, how does that prove the external source?
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By creating a short-circuit to high altitudes in the storm the lightning effectively "throws the switch" connected to the glow discharge "tube" in the upper atmosphere. It then makes perfect sense that the much taller positive cloud-to-ground discharge will be more effective at providing power to the glow discharge than will low-level negative cloud-to-ground lightning because the circuit resistance is lower"

Take a strip light and stand under a power line on a misty day, watch it glow - you don't need a short circuit to stimulate ionised energy emission in a gas.



"Recent research, published by the authority on the many unique forms of high-energy plasma discharge instabilities, has found that prehistoric astronomers chiselled the most ancient astronomical records into solid rock around the globe. Using global positioning and logging the magnetic orientation of these petroglyphs has resulted in a mammoth 3-D dataset, which is expected to allow us to reconstruct the position and evolution of what might be termed “prehistoric mega-auroras.” It extends our understanding of real Earth history by about 10,000 years. A significant finding is that the petroglyphs point toward the ancient celestial plasma display having a focus at the south magnetic pole. That is what we expect of cosmic Birkeland currents, which align with the magnetic field."

From
www.holoscience.com...

Where? Where have they found these sites? Petroglyphs? whose? who interpreted them?

It just come across as pseudoscience to me, at best, at worst complete BS
If the EU theory has any merit then its proponents are going to have to produce some evidence

How about
"What is gravity?

Gravity is due to radially oriented electrostatic dipoles inside the Earth’s protons, neutrons and electrons.[18] The force between any two aligned electrostatic dipoles varies inversely as the fourth power of the distance between them and the combined force of similarly aligned electrostatic dipoles over a given surface is squared. The result is that the dipole-dipole force, which varies inversely as the fourth power between co-linear dipoles, becomes the familiar inverse square force of gravity for extended bodies. The gravitational and inertial response of matter can be seen to be due to an identical cause. The puzzling extreme weakness of gravity (one thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion times less than the electrostatic force) is a measure of the minute distortion of subatomic particles in a gravitational field."

From
www.holoscience.com...

More pseudoscience? demonstrated in experiment? you may as well claim gravity is magnetic, theres as much evidence.

I know I'm 'having a go' at your interest in the EU, and I apologise for that, its good to look at alternatives and new ideas, BUT I don't see that this thread adds anything to that argument, and thats why I was interested in you explaining to me how it does.

Thanks Leo for helping me with the video embedding..

Enjoy

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Have a go at it all you like We should all question.

My point was showing that space is not just empty and there are many places in what seems to be void that are full of charged particles. Earth emits them, the Sun emits them...ect. The whole Van Allen belt thing shows there are areas around the Earth with very high charged particles.

I never brought up anything about petroglyphs....I highlighted the parts I found interesting...what ever else is in the article talking about history of ancients ect....I didnt find of interests.

Both of the links you posted from the holoscience sites were not a part of my post what so ever. If I felt everything on their site was note worthy, I would of just posted the links and not pulled anything from them to quote. I specifically quoted the experiment and what it seemed to of shown. Nothing was BS about the parts I quoted.



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Nonsense.
HAARP produces nothing even close to the energy levels necessary to produce gamma radiation.

And Jesse Ventura is a clown.

Don't you love it how people rationalize a natural and mysterious phenomena and the pursuit of science into something that conforms to a simple close minded denominator...... "its got to be a military antenna!".

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No, it doesn't at all.

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Again, no. That is baseless conjecture.

I would imagine if they are correlated to lightning it is feasible that these gamma ray bursts are merely a result of the massive heat and pressure at the "end" of the bolt, possibly the heat and energy generated at the end in the atmosphere may actually cause a very tiny nuclear reaction at the microscopic level only encompassing a few atoms, either fission or fusion, this highly energetic reaction would give off a gamma ray burst for a small fraction of a second.

The only thing that puzzles me is the diagram with a conical expression of the burst, I would imagine it would be spherical unless the reaction is happening at the edge of the atmosphere and the burst travels out into the vacuum of space.

We may also have to consider that there is another set of reactions between this highly energetic "plasma" at the end of the lightning bolt and the radiation belts

Very interesting though!

Originally posted by Icerider
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How about
"What is gravity?

Gravity is due to radially oriented electrostatic dipoles inside the Earth’s protons, neutrons and electrons.[18] The force between any two aligned electrostatic dipoles varies inversely as the fourth power of the distance between them and the combined force of similarly aligned electrostatic dipoles over a given surface is squared. The result is that the dipole-dipole force, which varies inversely as the fourth power between co-linear dipoles, becomes the familiar inverse square force of gravity for extended bodies. The gravitational and inertial response of matter can be seen to be due to an identical cause. The puzzling extreme weakness of gravity (one thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion times less than the electrostatic force) is a measure of the minute distortion of subatomic particles in a gravitational field."

From
www.holoscience.com...

With that being said, then does that mean or require that the spaces between them are or must remain constant in position and output in order for gravity to remain constant and how then is the measurable strength of gravity tolerated upon itself over distance and if measurable, against time?
I've always found myself returning to the idea of natural multiple perpetual frequency drives as a best example if you can imagine that.

one more thought, wouldnt the harmonic imbalance then be partly or solely responsible for the build up of the charge, and the discharge created then be responsible for continued disturbance and thus creating more harmonic imbalance?, therefore perpetual? Taking that model and working it in either direction (inner-outer) would we then find a constant anywhere in the universe, at any level, or would we find variants depending on the simplest of changes like say the introduction of different elements (known or unknown) or chemicals?

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Your video reminds me of the Halo cloud over Moscow

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That is certainly an awesome photo.
I pisture a plane right at the point the lightning connects to the cloud.
Brazil to Paris?
That's a different thread though.
Certainly a scary thought when in flight.

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This is a very interesting topic, here is a thread I posted a while ago with more videos and links.

Another word for these guys is Sprites. I also suggest that this could be an explanation for strange lights in the sky or UFOs!!

UFO,Red sprites etc

Star and Flag anyway for this post.

Originally posted by Thill
To me it looks like planet earth is releasing excess energy into space in order not to overflow with it . (I know I know its kind of hard to understand from my description but I don't really know how to explain this and it is only a feeling

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quite so!

it could be flatulence.

Giant Lightning to Space

What are we to think about giant lightning bolts to space? Can we think of space as neutral or empty in the face of these spectacular discharges?

The pilots who saw it wouldn’t talk about it for fear of ridicule or worse. The pilots whose airplanes were hit by it wouldn’t talk about it because they were dead. Then in the early 1990s investigators began to take the rumors seriously and to look for evidence of lightning above the clouds.

Right away they found images on archived satellite pictures, and they recorded hundreds of flashes above distant storms. Giant neon-light-like haloes would appear 85 kilometers above storms. The glows would propagate downward to form red balloons of interlaced filaments. The currents would squeeze into 30-meter-wide channels scattered over areas of a hundred square kilometers and disappear into the clouds. The glows were so diffuse that they seemed hardly a danger to airplanes. The investigators named them “sprites”.

The investigators soon discovered another form of lightning above the clouds. “Blue jets” would spout upwards from storms as much as 15 kilometers toward space. Several giant jets shot up to 80 kilometers. The jets were more compact than the sprites.

And under the clouds the investigators documented extraordinary strikes of “positive” lightning. These bolts were six times as powerful as ordinary “negative” lightning, and they lasted ten times as long. Where ordinary lightning could punch a tiny hole in a wing, positive lightning could burn through struts and wires and rip pieces apart. These bolts carry forces many times greater than what airplanes are designed to withstand. In one crash, rivets had been melted. In another, a pipe had been crushed and twisted. Crash specialists suspected these planes had been brought down by strikes of positive lightning.

Investigators finally were able to correlate their observations. They realized that every time there was a sprite above the clouds there was a bolt of positive lightning below the clouds. The sprite and the positive bolt were parts of a single discharge that stretched from space to the Earth’s surface.

Sprites and jets and positive bolts are common. Now that scientists have stopped believing that such phenomena are impossible, they find them in old photographs. Pilots are talking about seeing sprites since they began to fly. Certainly there is a cultural bias: People tend to disbelieve anything that is unfamiliar. And there is likely a sensory bias: Humans have no sensory organs that detect electric and magnetic forces, and they tend to believe that if they sense nothing, nothing is there.

There is also a theoretical bias: Without a theory with which to understand an observation, we tend not even to perceive it. Believing in a theory that already explains a phenomenon will turn your attention away from discrepancies and anomalies associated with that phenomenon.

Recognizing the megalightning connection between Earth and space opens consideration of other possibilities. Perhaps the current between Earth and space is part of a larger circuit. Perhaps the storms don’t generate the lightning but the lightning generates the storms. Venus, after all, has extensive lightning, more powerful lightning than on Earth, and it has an atmosphere of smog: Lightning in smog contradicts the thunderstorm theory of lightning generation.

Perhaps lightning also powers the wind. Neptune has the strongest winds of any planet in the Solar System, yet it is farthest from the Sun and its heat: Cold gales contradict the thermal model of air movement. Perhaps hurricanes and tornadoes and even dust devils are electrical vortices. Only recently have investigators thought to look for electric fields in dust devils—and have found quite strong ones.

Astronomers are trying to explain the spokes and waves and movements of Saturn’s rings with the familiar theory of gravity, but even if they succeed they will have ignored the pervasive influence of electrical currents in the Solar System. The explanations will be merely instrumental, accounting for the familiar aspects but oblivious to the ground from which those aspects arise.

Such an instrumental theory can be a dangerous thing when it has more practical applications: The tethered satellite experiments ignored electricity in space and likely resulted in the sparking and burning through of the tethers. The space elevator program will bring the full voltage of this oversight down to Earth. And let us not forget the image of the shuttle Columbia on its last reentry being chased down by a bluish-red corkscrew of what may have been a bolt of aircraft-destroying megalightning

yes the sky is slightly lighter than normal..

only way i can explain it is at night when the sky is supposed to be pitch black it seem it is in a dark shade of blue lol..

Adding another link that may help explain this...although this research is still being organized through observations. The reasons this is still needing research is that it seems to challenge some older theories of things, such as the power of gravity. What it seems to suggests (and this is only due to my weak understandings of all of this stuff) is that there is a force greater then gravity, which would be electromagnetism.

I could of read that last part wrong, Ive done so much reading today and my mind is a bit jumbled (ha is that a word?)

A good read is about the Birkeland currents...

en.wikipedia.org...

A Birkeland current is a specific magnetic field aligned current in the Earth’s magnetosphere which flows from the magnetotail towards the Earth on the dawn side and in the other direction on the dusk side of the magnetosphere. Lately, the term Birkeland currents has been expanded by some authors to include magnetic field aligned currents in general space plasmas. In the Earth’s magnetosphere, these currents are driven by changes in the topology of the magnetotail (e.g. during substorms) and when they reach the upper atmosphere, they create the aurora Borealis and Australis. The currents are closed through the auroral electrojet, which flows perpendicular to the local magnetic field in the ionosphere.

Birkeland currents are also one of a class of plasma phenomena called a z-pinch, so named because the azimuthal magnetic fields produced by the current pinches the current into a filamentary cable. This can also twist, producing a helical pinch that spirals like a twisted or braided rope, and this most closely corresponds to a Birkeland current. Pairs of parallel Birkeland currents can also interact; parallel Birkeland currents moving in the same direction will attract with an electromagnetic force inversely proportional to their distance apart (Note that the electromagnetic force between the individual particles is inversely proportional to the square of the distance, just like the gravitational force); parallel Birkeland currents moving in opposite directions will repel with an electromagnetic force inversely proportional to their distance apart. There is also a short-range circular component to the force between two Birkeland currents that is opposite to the longer-range parallel forces.[5] Electrons moving along a Birkeland current may be accelerated by a plasma double layer. If the resulting electrons approach relativistic velocities (ie. the speed of light) they may subsequently produce a Bennett pinch, which in a magnetic field will spiral and emit synchrotron radiation that includes radio, optical (ie. light), x-rays, and gamma-rays.

In bold added by me.

www.lewrockwell.com...

Electricity is an immensely more powerful force than gravity, and far more complex in the ways it interacts with matter. Yet modern astronomy remains wedded to a belief in gravity as the dominant mover and shaper of the universe, and seeks to explain new observations in terms that conceptually go back hundreds of years. James Hogan describes an emerging alternative theory that recognizes the important role played by electricity on cosmic scales, offering explanations based on principles that are well understood and demonstrable in laboratories, without need of recourse to unobserved, untestable physics or speculative mathematical abstractions.

Gravity-based models were reasonable two hundred and more years ago, when Newtonian dynamics was shown to predict precisely the motions of the Solar System. The plasma that permeates interplanetary space was unknown, along with its ability to organize spontaneously into isolating sheaths that, under stable and tranquil conditions like those prevailing in our locality at the present time, screen planets from electrical forces. And not a lot was understood about electricity in any case. But more recent advances in observational astronomy have revealed phenomena that do not lend themselves readily to explanation in familiar gravitational terms. Pulsars – rapidly varying stellar objects conventionally interpreted as spinning neutron stars – have now been measured to fluctuate at rates that call into question even the power of postulated neutron matter to hold together. Quasars, if accepted in accordance with the customary reading of red-shift as being the most distant objects known, radiate energy with intensities that defy explanation by any process involving conventional matter. The way galaxies rotate, and their violent ejections of matter jets, do not conform to expectations based on gravity. To account for these and other anomalies, such speculative devices as "dark matter" – at the last count numbering seven different varieties – "dark energy," matter collapsing into black holes, and similar exotic mechanisms that have never been observed are introduced to make the theory fit the facts.

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I have also been thinking that the night sky looks lighter than usual

I am a firm believer in the Electric or Plasma Universe theory. I have been studying this for years, and it explains a LOT of observations that astronomers are baffled by. It also ties in to ancient mythology, weather, volcanoes, earthquakes, and just about everything.

It is not one hundred percent complete. The main tenet is that the stars are externally powered, yet there is no explanation of WHERE the power comes from. However, once science finally gets a grip on it and starts researching properly, it should be also the key to free energy, by simply figuring out how to tap into the circuit that powers the Sun.

Scientists are fully aware that there is a huge flow of charged particles from the Sun. A flow of charged particles is normally known as an electric current. However in this instance astronomers with their heads in the sand insist on calling it a solar "wind", and refuse to acknowledge anything about it.

Hmmm I don';t know how to post an image but look at these photos of an eclipse of the Sun, which show the flow of current coming from it. Note that the corona has the same appearance as iron filings around a magnet showing its magnetic field.

www.zam.fme.vutbr.cz...

It is well known that there is a voltage differential within the Earth's atmosphere of 100 volts per METER. In other words millions of volts. Yet scientists refuse to acknowledge what this means.

This is a fascinating subject. Watch the video on page two as a starting point.

I stand by my first couple of posts. I think these are just electric anomalies related to Sprites and other upper atmospheric electricity.