Did Anyone Else Notice This?

Couldn't it be the Texan lone star?

reply to post by Hellas


The problem with that, is that the star is red. The people who designed this symbol weren't dumb enough to do something like that accidentally. Typically a lot of thought/research goes into designing something significant like this.

Also, there wouldn't be a reason to use the Texan star in the SoTU stuff.

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ

Has anyone else been able to find any more info on the communist star being used?

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reply to post by In nothing we trust


Wow, now that is interesting! Almost too much to believe. The airplane and the twin towers. The communist star. I'm completely dumbfounded.

Thanks for sharing that!

reply to post by EagleTalonZ


I think youre right about people taking more notice or even allowing yourself more aware, theres nothing wrong with that. The point is that i admit i hadnt noticed it so youve done a good thing even if its me that has been offered another perspective. As for been a ufo nut.....theres 2 of us coz i am too. Last night seen something trippy about 11pm looked like a star then looked like a helicopter it sat for around an hour an a half. Through my telescope looked like different semi transparent lights, i dont know what it was. I popped into the house when i came back it was gone. I cant see a helicopter hovering for an hour or so and also having no noise. The video on the phone shows absolutly jack, not a thing. I`ll be watching tonight though. The problem is the fact i live in an urban area and as well as the street lights spoiling it theres also the fear of a neighbour seeing me with a telescope pointing over their house It doesnt look good

I was thinking of putting together an entire thread linking the communist star with all the intel that has come up regarding China's activities as of late. I decided not to. Instead, I'll just post on this thread since it's already started.

It is my opinion that there is more going on than meets the eye. If you notice, there are constantly articles regarding China on ATS. Also, a lot of our products in this nation come from China. China owns our currency if you really think about it. And Obama's bow made headlines. (though the more dramatic bow was to the Japanese leader)

So food for thought.

Are we already owned by China? We're certainly "waving" their star in the MSM. And in Obama's logo.

Give me some thoughts regarding this.

Originally posted by enca78
On the picture of the flag it reminds me of the symbol painted on the wings of the aircraft apart from the middle dot is replaced with a red star. Maybe its a new joint emblem? oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh

Well spotted though i cant say i would have noticed

I was going to mention this, the star and target was AF symbology that came over from the RAF, during WW1 when at the end the AF was finally gaining its own ground as a branch of the US military. The star has been used for Millenium now as a symbol of courage reach and protection, no suprise the mind power scared
Soviets adopted it as a banner, it almost scream "No more Rasputin!!!" the Russians have never gotten over Rasputin and his alleged hypnotic powers. The star as a symbol is something to reach for, a symbol of hope, the US has always had stars, but lately the single star, single world, single world credit organization. One path focus on it. that is what it means to me.
I've always found it funny that the symbol of the Hexagram has gone from protection symbol, to symbol of evil and those allied with it, to a symbol of freedom and, ipso facto, protection once again.

Dont be led see with your own eyes. Walk your own path. and always, always cross reference

reply to post by TacticalVeritas


Hi, I sincerely appreciate your thoughts on what the star means. And I am honestly not trying to offend you or say you're statement is false, but do you have any sources to back up the meaning you're claiming?

When I looked up the meaning of the red star, I found nothing that indicates hope, freedom, courage, etc. The only meanings I found were communism.

America does use stars. I understand that. But never red stars.

Air Force Star


New Logo


Regarding the red star

This image shows (or resembles) a symbol that was used by the Communist government of the Soviet Union, Soviet-installed communist governments in Europe elsewhere, or organizations closely associated to them, or parties which have been banned in their respective countries. The use of this insignia may be illegal in Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland, depending on context. In Hungary, the applicable law is the Hungarian Criminal Code 269/B.§ (1993).

More On Red Star

In some countries it's even illegal. I don't see it being used as a symbol of courage or anything positive. If you look through that page, at the bottom it has links. 95% or more of those links are regarding communism.

Red Star Facts

The star's origins in a mass political movement are found in the Russian civil war Russian Civil War The Russian Civil War was a multi-party war that occurred within the former Russian Empire after the Russian provisional government collapsed and the Soviets under the domination of the Bolshevik party assumed power, first in Petrograd The Russian Civil War (1917–1923) was a multi-party war that... and the end of the First World War, though the creator (if any) is unknown. It is most often thought that Russian troops fleeing from the Austria Austria Austria , officially the Republic of Austria , is a landlocked country of roughly 8.3 million people in Central Europe. It borders both Germany and the Czech Republic to the north, Slovakia and Hungary to the east, Slovenia and Italy to the south, and Switzerland and Liechtenstein to the west... n and German Germany Germany , officially the Federal Republic of Germany , is a country in Central Europe. It is bordered to the north by the North Sea, Denmark, and the Baltic Sea; to the east by Poland and the Czech Republic; to the south by Austria and Switzerland; and to the west by France, Luxembourg, Belgium,... fronts found themselves in Moscow Moscow Moscow is the capital and the largest city of Russia. It is also the largest metropolitan area in Europe, and ranks among the largest urban areas in the world. Moscow is a major political, economic, cultural, religious, financial, educational, and transportation centre of Russia and the world, a... in 1917 and mixed with the local Moscow garrison. To distinguish the Moscow troops from the influx of retreating Russians the officers gave out tin stars to the Moscow garrison soldiers, to wear on their hats. When those troops joined the Red Army Red Army The Red Army The Red Army The Red Army was the Soviet government’s revolutionary militia beginning in the Russian Civil War of 1918-1922. It grew into the national army of the USSR. Since 1946, after the Second World War, it was called the Soviet Army.The 'Red... and the Bolshevik Bolshevik The Bolsheviks, originally also Bolshevists were a faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party which split apart from the Menshevik faction at the Second Party Congress in 1903... s they painted their tin stars red, the color of socialism Socialism Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on... , thus creating the original red star. Another claimed origin for the red star relates to an alleged encounter between Leon Trotsky Leon Trotsky Leon Trotsky , born Leyba Davidov Bronstein , was a Bolshevik revolutionary and Marxist theorist. He was one of the leaders of the Russian October Revolution, second only to Lenin... and Nikolai Krylenko Nikolai Krylenko Nikolai Vasilyevich Krylenko was a Russian Bolshevik revolutionary and a Soviet politician. Krylenko served in a variety of posts in the Soviet legal system, rising to become People's Commissar of Justice and Prosecutor General of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic.Krylenko was an... . Krylenko, an Esperantist Esperantist An Esperantist is a person who speaks or uses Esperanto. Etymologically, an Esperantist is someone who hopes. Although definitions of "Esperantist" vary, according to the Declaration of Boulogne, a document agreed at the first World Congress of Esperanto, an Esperantist is someone who speaks... , was wearing a green star Esperanto symbols Since the earliest days of Esperanto, the colour green has been used as a symbol of mutual recognition and it appears prominently in all Esperanto symbols.... lapel badge; Trotsky enquired as to its meaning and received an explanation that each arm of the star represented one of the five traditional continents. On hearing this, he specified that a similar red star should be worn by soldiers of the Red Army.

So... with this in mind, any other thoughts?

C'mon you guys, give me a reason to believe our country isn't being handed to communists. Or already belonging to socialism.

To be honest, I'm shocked this thread isn't getting way more attention. It's not just any symbol we're talking about. They're waving the symbol for communism/socialism right in our faces.

"bear in mind the "five-pointed star" like the Soviet one, which shines all over Europe, the star composed of the five Rothschild brothers with their banks, who possess colossal accumulations of wealth, the greatest ever known"

mailstar.net...

reply to post by gasilat


So basically, it's either communist or still it points to the NWO. Nice. I think this should be far more important to everyone.

S & F

If you go to the Truth Seeker forum

and look down the sidebar (I think)

you'll find a series of archived articles by the now-deceased Joe Vialls

In one of his articles, he spends a lot of time on the 'star' symbology

At the time he wrote it (at least four years ago) he was referring in particular to US vehicles (tanks, etc.) in Iraq

He includes diagrams to illustrate how the symbology is subliminal in many instances. It's a very good read

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...


Ok. And here are the Joe Vialls archived articles
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...

You'll like what you find

You can take this with a grain of salt if you wish..but for whatever reason when I read this thread, the red star kachina popped into my head.

www.wolflodge.org...

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
It's not just any symbol we're talking about. They're waving the symbol for communism/socialism right in our faces.

...you chose to accept that meaning of a red star, so the problem is yours to fix...

...there is no symbol that has not been used many times in many different ways... ie: christianity uses the cross as its symbol - nazis use the swastika... neither group created their chosen symbol... neither group force you to only see their meaning of their chosen symbol (although many would if they could) - but - like with the swastika, far too many people prefer to only see the most current or most negative interpretation of a symbol... the same is true of the red star, a triangle, a circle, a pentagram or any other shape including an eye, nose or penis...

reply to post by Wyn Hawks


I completely get what you're saying. It's a matter of perception, but that doesn't remove the meaning of the symbol. You don't see everyday people walking around with nazi symbols on their clothes, or satanists with crosses on their shirts. (unless their upside down)

The point is, the symbol has been adopted. It belongs. And in this case, no one but the communist/socialist countries are using it. None of the research I found revealed anything but communist/socialist.

Now, I won't claim I know all. But saying that the symbol is just a symbol. Well, I'm not buying that. They know what they're doing. The real problem... is that some people are choosing NOT to see it for what it is.

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
reply to post by Wyn Hawks

 

It's a matter of perception, but that doesn't remove the meaning of the symbol.

...agreed... ...so why do you believe that one interpretation of that symbol trumps all other interpretations?...

You don't see everyday people walking around with nazi symbols on their clothes, or satanists with crosses on their shirts. (unless their upside down)

...whom do you consider "everyday people"?... those that believe / dress / look like you?... are you one of those "hive / collective / we're all one" types?... thats simplistic communism, ya know, lmao...

...what do you consider nazi symbols?... the swaztika?... phoenix rising?... those symbols had other meanings long before the nazi culture came along and adopted those symbols... have you ever considered that promoting the mindset that the nazi interpretations of those symbols are the only valid one = endorsing the nazi culture?... if not, well, maybe you should...

...lets pretend you enter my house and notice several paintings: one is a red star - one is a swastika - one is a cross - one is a big eye on a triangle... do you automatically presume that i'm a communist / socialist, nazi, christian, nwo-supporter?... i have a great big red setting sun too... would you also attribute that symbolism to an ethnic or political system?... ever hear lucinda williams' song "big red sun blues"?...

The point is, the symbol has been adopted. It belongs.

...adoption does not eradicate previous meanings, other current meanings or future meanings...

And in this case, no one but the communist/socialist countries are using it. None of the research I found revealed anything but communist/socialist.

...if thats all you found, you werent looking for anything other than what you wanted to find... if you abhore communism or socialism, why are you endorsing / promoting / supporting those concepts by pushing the view that the meanings behind their choice of symbolism is the only one that matters?...

But saying that the symbol is just a symbol. Well, I'm not buying that.

...doesnt produce enough paranoia, huh?...

They know what they're doing.

...but do you know what you're doing?...

The real problem... is that some people are choosing NOT to see it for what it is.

...funny... imo, that aptly describes you...

...its your choice to perceive a symbol any way you choose to, including refusing to recognize that there is not just one meaning and that no meaning is superior to another...

...that you insist the only valid meaning is the one you approve of makes me wonder why you're honoring political systems that scare you by helping to spread the concept that a particular symbol is theirs and theirs alone or that their adoption of that symbol eradicates all other meanings...

reply to post by Wyn Hawks


First of all allow me to apologize if I come as being a close minded person who is unwilling to accept correction. I will be one of the first to admit when I'm wrong. I was certainly not trying to paint the picture that I am a fear mongering, political agenda pushing person who can't stand to be wrong. Actually, I appreciate intelligence and correction.

What I was trying to say, and apparently failed at, was that I didn't agree with your theories. Not because they were wrong, but because they didn't fit in with why they're using the symbols behind the capital building and in the SoTU logo. It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, I could be wrong. And if I am, great. But if I'm not, shouldn't people be paying attention?

If you can do me the favor of finding out exactly why they're placing the most common symbol of communism in their logo, I will apologize, and thank you for helping me understand.

Also, looking for the answer to this logo is the only reason I made this thread. I simply want to understand what their reason was. I don't think it's "just because". I believe there is a reason.

So... what do you believe is their reason?

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
C'mon you guys, give me a reason to believe our country isn't being handed to communists. Or already belonging to socialism.

To be honest, I'm shocked this thread isn't getting way more attention. It's not just any symbol we're talking about. They're waving the symbol for communism/socialism right in our faces.

Truth in advertising, perhaps?

reply to post by whitewave


Yeah pretty much. I hadn't thought about that.

Maybe we'll see it on the sides of the cars in Nascar soon.

I was on this thread the other day and whilst looking on another I came across this and noticed the red star.


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