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Originally posted by GenRadek
I too have researched these things
Originally posted by GenRadek
You report the accounts of the firefighters that saw "flashes" which could have been anything
Originally posted by GenRadek
there are virtually NO video evidences or audio evidence of "explosives" going off at all. No detonations prior to collapse. None. None recorded, none noticed.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Explosions are heard in a lot of fires. Does that mean explosives were used in them all?
Originally posted by GenRadek
Were there explosions? Yes. Is that conclusive proof or remote evidence of CD? NO.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by GenRadek
I too have researched these things
I don't see how you possibly could have when:
1.) You can't get the terms right. "Squibs" are actual explosives. What I've pointed out are plumes, jet's of dust/debris, puffs, whatever you want to call them, but they're not squibs.
2.) I don't see how you can possibly come to any conclusion when the plume you referenced get's covered up by the falling building, so the full travel of the plume isn't even visible. Oh wait, you didn't come to any conclusion. You're copy/pasting someone else's conclusion. And of course they have to be correct no matter how incorrect they are because you will never entertain the "9/11 Conspiracy" idea.
And you will never find concentrated plumes in natural building collapses because the concentrated plumes are a direct result of explosives, period.
The only other thing I will say about the plumes, because enough has been said already, is that no matter what you make up to explain them away so that you never have to entertain the "9/11 Conspiracy" idea, I guarantee you will never, ever find concentrated plumes such as the following in any other type of building collapse in history other than a controlled demolition:
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6dab83d90c0f.jpg[/atsimg]
So, you go ahead and keep making things up like "those are air being released from pancaking floors", or "elevators dropping to the bottom of their shafts", or any other thing you can concoct just so you don't have to believe a "9/11 Conspiracy". But every time you make something up, it's opinion, conjecture and theories only.
What is not a theory and what is only a fact is you will never, ever, ever, see those concentrated plumes outside of a controlled demolition, period.
I personally don't understand why you even keep making things up to explain the plumes away. When an intelligent person sees that these concentrated plumes have only ever been seen in controlled demolitions, then any "theory" someone else concocts to try to explain them away just goes in one ear and out the other.
Theories hold no weight to facts. Your theories on what the plumes could be hold no weight to the fact of what the plumes have only ever been in our entire history, and that's from explosives in controlled demolitions. I don't know how much more clearer I can make this.
reply to post by GenRadek
Originally posted by GenRadek
You report the accounts of the firefighters that saw "flashes" which could have been anything
Oh really?
See the flashes going up, down and around the building while making popping or exploding sounds? That would be yet another fact. The fact the flashes going up, down and around buildings has only ever been seen in controlled demolitions, no matter what you try to concoct to keep from believing the "9/11 Conspiracy".
That makes two facts of controlled demolitions that were seen at the WTC, but not seen anywhere else in the world throughout our entire history except other controlled demolitions.
Oh, and then there's the fact the no steel-structured highrise has ever completely and fully collapsed due to fires anywhere in the world throughout our entire history. But that's a miracle in and of itself.
Originally posted by GenRadek
there are virtually NO video evidences or audio evidence of "explosives" going off at all. No detonations prior to collapse. None. None recorded, none noticed.
I have no words for your above comments. Seriously. You're either blatantly lying, or you haven't done a lick of 9/11 research. I went into length in my last post about the basement explosions that happened and continued well after the plane strikes and the damage the continued explosions caused to the basement levels and the lobby, which you obviously totally ignored.
I also went into detail about the documentary called "9/11 Eyewitness" that recorded the pre-collapse and during-collapse detonations. "9/11 Eyewitness" recorded 9 or 10 pre-collapse explosions coming from the WTC just before the south tower fell. First responders in the oral histories also testified to this same exact number of pre-collapse explosions before the south tower fell.
Since the explosions in "9/11 Eyewitness" are corroborated by first responders in the oral histories, then you're either being purposefully dishonest or unresearched.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Explosions are heard in a lot of fires. Does that mean explosives were used in them all?
The explosions I'm talking about happened in the lower levels and the basement levels which I explained very well in my previous post and many other posts on ATS. The explosions in the basement levels caused extensive damage to the basement levels and the lobby, killing and severely injuring many people. These explosions in the basement levels were a quarter mile away from any fire, so again your concoction of theory to explain away fact is again visible.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Were there explosions? Yes. Is that conclusive proof or remote evidence of CD? NO.
Explosions being conclusive proof of CD would be no, you're correct there. But the explosions coupled with things that have only ever been seen in CD like flashes going up, down and around the buildings, or concentrated plumes, is conclusive proof of CD.
To conclude, you will continue to be the very definition of "denial disorder" that is posted in my signature due to your ability to concoct theories and inability to accept facts that have only one conclusion.
So. you can continue to make yourself look foolish with every keystroke from your keyboard, but facts are facts and your concoctions can only be seen as denial and ignorance, plain and simple.
Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by seethelight
Arguing that after the untold gazillions of dollars spent in black budget testing of things like explosives the alleged planted detonation charges were some off the shelf supplies and not specially formulated to the exact requirements of this key bit of a spectacle is as unbelievable as saying the Pentacon only had that one camera to give that crappy bit of film,etc.In other words,your alleged needed explosions,with the usual sounds and flashes,completely ignores the common sense position that the boyz in black hats might have had something special in their arse-nal.Besides being TRAITORS.Allegedly.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
WATCH it again, turn the sound up...and HEAR the explosions!
Originally posted by GenRadek
Cause right now you are starting to haze the argument with back peddling and twisting and trying to reneg on your original claims
Originally posted by GenRadek
For one thing I find simply amazing that he managed to record "explosions" all the way across the waters in Hoboken, while the hundreds of cameras and videos that were less than a block away from the base of the WTCs didnt pick up anything at all.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Also what do I hear when I watch it? I hear something called, wind! Wind on a microphone! I mean come on, trying to fool people into believing that wind on a microphone are "explosives" going off?
Originally posted by GenRadek
That poor excuse for a video is well debunked here:
9/11 Eyewitness: Sensationalism
the vast body of oral histories by emergency responders released in mid-2005 contains numerous accounts of explosion sounds at the onset of the (collapse) of each Tower, but apparently does not contain accounts of such sounds occurring before the (collapses).
"I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions." Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
Other witnesses in the vicinity of the Towers also did not hear the alleged explosions long before the collapses.
Originally posted by GenRadek
Ahem, why cant I hear anything here???
That brings us back to GenRadek's magical, intelligent wind. GenRadek's magical, intelligent wind knew to blow 9 or 10 times just before the south tower collapsed.