Doctor's Receiving Kickbacks from Pharmaceutical Companies for Needless Prescriptions

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

 

France and other European countries seem to be much more into alternative medicine andthinking outside the box as far as treating chronic health and disease. For example, mistletoe is actually used by mainstream doctors in European countries to fight and treat cancer. The FDA has not approved it in the USA. The FDA, NIH, NCI are very corrupt and deceitful organizations. AHA etc. These organizations are funded by big business, if you dig deep enough you will see that the same old wealthy elite are behind the American healthcare system.

It's also interesting to note that Americans have almost a ten percent BETTER chance of surviving cancer than any European nation, even France. If France is so "open minded" about alternative therapies, why aren't we seeing higher cancer remission rates there, and instead are seeing higher cancer death rates?

EDIT: Forgot to add sources (wish more people would add those when making claims, by the way):

Worldwide Survival Rates

BBC Report on European Death Rates



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Ummmmm quality of life is very subjective my friend. And how do you know quantity of life has improved so much? Did you live like a Native American 500 years ago cancer, heart disease, and diabetes were probably nonexistant. Did you live like an Eskimo who were some of the happiest and healthiest people that have ever lived? I suggest you study some indigenous cultures like the Masai, Swiss of the Loeschental Valley, Polynesians, Eskimos before you claim that our quality and quantity of life is so much better than human beings before us.

People act like indians only lived to the ripe old age of 30. I'm sure many lived to reach old age. This is another example of how brainwashed/"centurycentric" people are. Remember the history books are written by the "winners" my friend.

Star and Flag. This is why, other than a Chronic Pain Specialist I see every three months, I haven't been to a doctor in over three years. The last time I went to a primary care doctor I was diagnosed with cancer, the associate radiologist confirmed his diagnosis, THEN the associate lung specialist confirmed the diagnosis and wanted to schedule me for surgery. I went for a second opinion to a doctor who practices out of a different hospital and when he saw the x-rays he actually laughed, and said what they (3 doctors!!) had called lung cancer was a mass of blood vessels that every human on the earth has.

I'm done with con artist medicine. I'll just die without all the red tape thankyou.

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www.preventcancer.com...

The NCI and NIH who are responsible for a majority of stats in the US are hardly trustworthy.

All your study means is that cancer is diagnosed better in the US but that doesn't mean our treatment is necessarily better or survival rates are better. Also what countries constitute "europe" in those studies because there is a big difference between France and say Bulgaria as far as healthcare. Like I said I wouldn't trust the NCI, NIH, AHA, or FDA as far as I could throw them..

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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

Ummmmm quality of life is very subjective my friend. And how do you know quantity of life has improved so much? Did you live like a Native American 500 years ago cancer, heart disease, and diabetes were probably nonexistant. Did you live like an Eskimo who were some of the happiest and healthiest people that have ever lived? I suggest you study some indigenous cultures like the Masai, Swiss of the Loeschental Valley, Polynesians, Eskimos before you claim that our quality and quantity of life is so much better than human beings before us.

People act like indians only lived to the ripe old age of 30. I'm sure many lived to reach old age. This is another example of how brainwashed/"centurycentric" people are. Remember the history books are written by the "winners" my friend.

Anthropological studies of Native American (and similar civilizations) grave sites have typically placed their lifespan at about 30-40 years. They suffered from problems like iron deficiency (anemia), common infectious diseases, undernutrition, and early onset of what are now considered diseases of old age.

Native Americans and disease/age

I've provided my source. Where's yours?

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

www.preventcancer.com...

The NCI and NIH who are responsible for a majority of stats in the US are hardly trustworthy.

Yes, clearly the NIH is embedded in some dark, secret cabal whose sole purpose is to boost our cancer survival rates by 7%, so as to make the rest of the world look silly.

What a joke.

With all due respect I enjoy debating these issues with you but you seem already completely preoccupied by your current occupation. I'm assuming you post on this website for your entertainment and a nice break from your already too stressful lifestyle doing genetics and what have you. So I just feel too guilty debating you any more and I'll be glad to say that you are completely right and I've learned my lesson.



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LOL You didn't even read the article did you? NCI has been manipulating cancer statistics since thei inception.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

All your study means is that cancer is diagnosed better in the US but that doesn't mean our treatment is necessarily better or survival rates are better. Also what countries constitute "europe" in those studies because there is a big difference between France and say Bulgaria as far as healthcare. Like I said I wouldn't trust the NCI, NIH, AHA, or FDA as far as I could throw them..

[edit on 27-1-2010 by Zosynspiracy]

If you'll actually look at my link, you'll see that it breaks it down not only by nation, but by the most common forms of cancer.

Nice to see you LOOK at the other side's argument before making counterclaims

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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

LOL You didn't even read the article did you? NCI has been manipulating cancer statistics since thei inception.

I'll ask again: do you honestly think that the NCI would do so and only boost our cancer survival rates by 7%? Why wouldn't they make the difference more dramatic? Why wouldn't they claim it is solely due to drug X or Y? Why wouldn't they purposefully deflate other nations' statistics, too? How do they continue "fudge the numbers" every year, despite having different committee members and directors and yet this is never leaked by one of those commitee members?

Also, I would love if you would respond to my other posts about your other claims, rather than deflecting them. It makes it seem like you have no reasonable answer about the Native Americans' lifespans.

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He was educated by the "system". If it's not in JAMA, NEMJ, put out by the AMA, FDA, NCI, AHA, NIH or found on the website quackwatch it's BUNK!

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by drew hempel

 

He was educated by the "system". If it's not in JAMA, NEMJ, put out by the AMA, FDA, NCI, AHA, NIH or found on the website quackwatch it's BUNK!

So, I take it you have no actual argument, then, since you're reverting to the age-old defense of ad hominems?

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


The first article is the most recent and IT DOES NOT define "europe". It talk abouts European countries and then goes on to talk about Cananda, Australia and New Zealand. You're second article does in fact breakdown by country........and it was also written in 2003. In the first article I suggest you read some of the reviewers comments as well.

For example:
The conclusion drawn in the Lancet article is that outcome depends upon income. That certainly makes sense. The US spends more per capita on doctors than any other country on earth. The real question is, do we get real value (or only a 3-4% difference) for our money?


And the National Policy Center for Policy Research seems a little suspect as well. Just because it's in the "Lancet" doesn't mean it's without bias.

He is a She in my opinion and No I will not be seduced by her cold beguiling ways.

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It's true.....if I tell an MD like yourself to go read a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price or the book Politics in Healing by Daniell Haley you'll refer me to the obviously bias and fraudulent website like quackwatch. So unless it's some sort of establishment study i.e. put out by the medical community why would you ever listen or agree with anything I say?

Have you ever heard of Weston A Price?

I'll give you another issue that is dear to my heart. Raw milk. I've personally witnessed the health beneifts of drinking raw milk. It's practically impossible to find any mainstream medical studies on raw milk. But there is plenty of circumstantical evidence and historical evidence proving it's claim as a healthy and superior food product capable of reversing many chronic health problems such as asthma and diabetes.

Take Royal Rife for example. There is SUBSTANTIAL evidence in favor of his microscope and wave frequencies being able to cure cancer. But people like you will read a website like quackwatch because it's establishment and believe it over any other source. You're the type of person that believes in the status quo and I'm the one that questions it vehemently. We'll never agree on anything.

Another good thread, Ashley...

There are a couple of threads around here that have highlighted the fact that the WHO has been infiltrated by corporate interests and that the Swine Flu vaccine was sold prolificly due to unsubstantiated, yet WHO backed, suggestions that we were on the verge of pandemic. A manipulation of the public trust and fear for profit.

As well, I did a thread a few years back highlighting what was a campaign by a drug company to create a new disease by which to market their meds based upon an ambiguously defined set of symptoms that could have been a part of an already established psychology...


NEWS: Marketing a Disease For A Drug

They are fighting for attention, professional and economical and the fact that the public is ill educated regarding these matters results in people easily duped into perhaps purchasing drugs that they don't necessarily need...

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

The first article is the most recent and IT DOES NOT define "europe". It talk abouts European countries and then goes on to talk about Cananda, Australia and New Zealand. You're second article does in fact breakdown by country........and it was also written in 2003. In the first article I suggest you read some of the reviewers comments as well.

The first article does, indeed, provide statistics for specific European nations as compared to the United States. Read the bolded bullet points. Also, 2003 isn't that long ago. We haven't had too much development in cancer therapy since then, other than a few new strategies with the same drugs. I also suspect it's one of the last years that complete data is available, currently.

For example:
The conclusion drawn in the Lancet article is that outcome depends upon income. That certainly makes sense. The US spends more per capita on doctors than any other country on earth. The real question is, do we get real value (or only a 3-4% difference) for our money?

I have no doubt that the United States spends more (grossly more, in fact) per capita. You must also realize that MOST of that increase in per capita spending goes to administrative fees (I believe baout 30% of hospital bills does to admistrative stuff, if I recall correctly). This is digusting in it's own right, but would bring actual treatment-related spending in line with most other nations.

The fact that America spends so much and still can't cover everyone in the nation for basic medical needs is for another thread. I find it simple disgusting that we can't provide basic needs for everyone, which is why I went into public health. No need to ask what insurance they have, and I can treat them to the best of my abilities.

And the National Policy Center for Policy Research seems a little suspect as well. Just because it's in the "Lancet" doesn't mean it's without bias.

Well, until you provide a reason or source for that "suspicion", I don't really care if you trust them or not, honestly. As far as I'm concerned, the larger a publications viewship is, the more likely it is that a mistake, error, or lie will be caught by an astute reader. This has already happened a number of times in a few journals (NEJM, for example), and resulted in skewed data being omitted and authors being banned from the journal. I could just as easily say that all of your links are "suspect" without any sort of support, couldn't I?

Let's not forget the endless supply if gourmet box lunches that the reps hand deliver to the offices. What would these reps do without Panera? I went with my wife to an OB appt. once and two different reps showed up with box lunches for the staff. I had to laugh because you know they were all just stacking up in the break room fridge.

I had a buddy that formerly sold for Pfizer and quit after six months of doing nothing but giving handouts to the docs and staff.

Unofficially, his largest customer, a multiple doc practice, was given the frequent use of a rather nice Hilton Head condo.

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At my hospital it is REQUIRED that we prove we had the H1N1 vaccine and if we did we wear a little lapel type button on our id badge. And if we didn't? LOL We are blackballed and have to walk wear a mask whenever we provide patient care. So no the state didn't say we have to get the vaccine or we will be terminated........they just blackball and manipulate you into doing so. And you know how many cases of H1N1 my hospital has had? Less than 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The swine flu vaccine is a PERFECT example of corporate interest and government inefficiency. Our healthcare system has been hijacked by the corporation for the last 100 years.

Hear hear MemoryShock!

Most illnesses blow over in a week to a fortnight.The other illnesses that require treatment are mostly over prescribed,and the drugs that they give you mostly end up killing the good bacteria that you require to be healthy.

Whats the biggest killer in the world apart from aggression and wars? Medical malpractice! YAY!

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