small theory why we are alone

There are people who say that the Universe is very big so big that there must be intelligent alien life. But that could not be true.

If you look at the humans on the planet. You see that there are a lot of humans. So many humans that ther must be one like you. but the truth is that there is no one like you . You are unique. however there are 6 billion people.

So it is also possible that there is no intelligent life out there because of the same reason that there is no same unique person as you in this planet.

Originally posted by UFOexisist

If you look at the humans on the planet. You see that there are a lot of humans. So many humans that ther must be one like you. but the truth is that there is no one like you . You are unique. however there are 6 billion people.

I understand, and the same could be applied to any species, like tree frogs, no two are the same; however, that inst really a signifier of mutual exclusivity.

there is however, a higher degree of people with STRIKING similarities, and the differences are very subtle.

The same can be said for planets. There is an evil twin earth out there, if you will. A planet that is almost exactly the same, we just havent found it yet.

I dont think anyone can quite grasp how exponentially large the universe is. imagine of how big it is, then multiply that about 8 or so times, and your probably still in the milky way.

If evolution is the reason we are where we are today, then the sheer mathematics dictate that somewhere, out there, there a similar process has happened and caused a similar chain of events leading to life.

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small theory

Holy understatement...

So it is also possible that there is no intelligent life out there because of the same reason that there is no same unique person as you in this planet.

So, if I understand you, since I am unique to everyone else on this planet (thanks btw), that a planet with the right conditions to create/harbor life would be just as unique..?

But since there are 6 billion of us unique people, doesn't that mean there should be 6 billion unique planets capable of creating/harboring life..?

Your argument doesn't make any sense.

And the fact that there is no one unique is part of the reason why the probability of extra-terrestrial life existing somewhere out there is high—it's an immediately observable aspect of nature's diversity, even among species, so there's a lot of possibilities—including life in various other planets with different conditions.

Humans may all be unique but are the same species. So I don't think your theory applies.
However I don't believe the argument that says the universe is so big, there MUST be other life forms.
But I do believe in the possibility!

There are like over 10000000000000000000000 planets in the universe.
You think we are alone? Please.



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Originally posted by happygolucky
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But since there are 6 billion of us unique people, doesn't that mean there should be 6 billion unique planets capable of creating/harboring life..?

No you can compare planets to humans. There is no same human as you so there is no same planet as this planet.

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Originally posted by Cybernet
There are like over 10000000000000000000000 planets in the universe.
You think we are alone? Please.



[edit on 26/1/10 by Cybernet]

There are over 50000000000 humans you think you are unique? Please

Imagine we got to explore the galaxy. We come across a planet full of primitive, violent, selfish and destructive beings. They seem somewhat intelligent and could eventually become galactic explorers, if they don't destroy themselves first, which seems very likely. Given the unstable and unpredictable nature of these beings, coupled with their potential for raw violence, would you want to plop down amongst them and say 'hi'? I for one would rather observe them from a distance and try and remain hidden. The last thing I want is to be captured and cut into pieces for 'research' or worse: held captive and live the remainder of my days as a prisoner.

I don't believe we are 'alone'. Rather I think we are being 'left alone'.

Originally posted by UFOexisist
No you can compare planets to humans. There is no same human as you so there is no same planet as this planet.

Your reasoning is faulty because you are limiting the possibility of existence of life to an exactly similar planet as Earth and with the same conditions.

The incredibly diverse life forms on this planet alone—and the different conditions to which they can adapt and strive on—is proof that life can exist with different sets of conditions.

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I can understand where your coming from but i think you've misunderstood your own argument. The likelyhood that another species evolved to be exactly the same as us. Would be similar to the chances of finding someone on Earth exactly the same as you.

The probability of there being life out there is very high in my oppinion. If you look at the probabilty, and the number you get is even a fraction correct. Then there would still be billions of other life forms out there.

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His argument makes just as much sense as your argument. Until they come here, land get out, and say hi, we are alone. Scientist and all of you can speculate till cows fly, but until another species from other than earth arrive, or a signal is found we are alone. Why I am thinking of it, we are never alone..Think about that, it'll come to you!

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That is a rather weak argument and a non-sequitur. The logic does not follow.

Originally posted by Mr_skepticc
His argument makes just as much sense as your argument.

You seem to be responding as if I claimed it was proven that intelligent alien life exists—I didn't.

If you carefully read my posts you will notice that I said the probability of extraterrestrial life is high, and that—from examples we have on our planet—life can exist in very different set of conditions.

If you'd like to refute those facts I did mention and not the ones you are assuming I am making from an interpretation of my posts, go ahead.

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Have you ever heard of comet Wild 2?

These 12 images are a good representation of the closest images of comet Wild 2. The temporal sequence starts at the upper left and continues left to right on the first three rows. The overexposed and out-of-sequence images at the bottom are long exposures t aken for autonomous tracking and yield the best jet images. All images were scaled to a constant image scale.

stardust.jpl.nasa.gov...

NASA Researchers Make First Discovery of Life's Building Block in Comet
Bill Steigerwald
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
August 17, 2009

NASA scientists have discovered glycine, a fundamental building block of life, in samples of comet Wild 2 returned by NASA's Stardust spacecraft.
"Glycine is an amino acid used by living organisms to make proteins, and this is the first time an amino acid has been found in a comet," said Dr. Jamie Elsila of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts."
Elsila is the lead author of a paper on this research accepted for publication in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science. The research will be presented during the meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Marriott Metro Center in Washington, DC, August 16.
"The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Dr. Carl Pilcher, Director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute which co-funded the research.
Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins.

There are MANY chances that some vital components of the fantastic puzzle called "life on Earth" most likely came from far away; that would be ALIEN life in its origin, and Hybrid or whatever after some evolution, but no longer terrestrial isn its origins. Since these chances are being taken very seriously, i'd say that to claim that there's no life out there just by making some comparisons between a limited set of samples (we, human beings) and something unknown/unassessed/umeasured in one word UNKNOWN, is pointless, but i could be wrong.
The only thing i can tell you for sure is that it's plenty of "bricks" of life out there, and that because of this there is NO WAY to rule out the existence of some possible extraterrestrial forms of life.

Originally posted by UFOexisist

Originally posted by Cybernet
There are like over 10000000000000000000000 planets in the universe.
You think we are alone? Please.



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There are over 50000000000 humans you think you are unique? Please

Just out of curiosity, is that the number of human inhabitants occupying earth? Or were you counting "humans" on some of the other planets as well?

You can't get to any logical conclusion with the opening argument about intelligent life out there.

There's some people who will never believe, not until something unusual happens to them. And then there are people who will believe simply because it's too lonely to think we're the only intelligent life there is, that there is no grand purpose for our being but to exist on a rock circling a star. Those who believe have some deep rooted need to believe, and those who don't are fine with being alone.

If even one tale of flown saucers or cigars or whatever the hell people have photographed turns out to be true, turns out to be some kind of visitor... if any one of these conspiracy stories about the government lying to the public about the UFO phenomena turns out to true... then the skeptics can refute all they want, but the truth is the truth.

With all things I've read on this website and other sources online in the past couple years... I have to say that either EVERY single person that has seen a UFO, including of course those stories by the retired military workers, and other believable sources... is completely delusional, or there is actually something intelligent going on that people still want to dismiss.

If even one story is true, out of everything we've ever heard about UFO's... then the entire theory of life beyond Earth, intelligent and evolved life at that, exists and is visiting us for a reason.

Peace

just how big is the universe? there isnt a number that can do it justice, but let me try;

The Great Attractor

The Great Attractor is a gravity anomaly in intergalactic space within the range of the Centaurus Supercluster that reveals the existence of a localised concentration of mass equivalent to tens of thousands of Milky Ways, observable by its effect on the motion of galaxies and their associated clusters over a region hundreds of millions of light years across.

and that is just one tiny little sliver we can see from earth.

What this means is; out in space, there is a planet that is so far away from earth, that if they looked at us with a strong enough telescope they could see the dinosaurs walking around. EVEN BETTER; there is point in the universe where you could look at earth and you would see nothing because the light of its formation simply has not arrived in time to that place; amazing!

It is borderline impossible for the average joe to understand just how far apart a light year is, (5,878,630,000,000 Miles) but as well all know, the sun is 8 light minutes away from the earth. (98,000,000) miles.

Look at the bottom of the ocean, especially around geothermal vents; there is life in the most hospitable conditions.

Just because we need water and we are a carbon based life form, it doesnt mean there cant also be some silicone based lifeforms that requires methane to live or any other combination of base elements for that matter.

man, that was painful to read, sorry ...

man, go research more about our universe, its a good idea for u to understand, why its impossible to not exist life else where

man, for u to say what u did, u dont have ANY idea of the size of the universe ...

Originally posted by UFOexisist
If you look at the humans on the planet. You see that there are a lot of humans. So many humans that ther must be one like you. but the truth is that there is no one like you . You are unique. however there are 6 billion people.

I was a bit too harsh and made a simple declarative statement without any cogent argument to support it in my last post.

I still think it is a non-sequitur; even if it held true for humans, it does not mean it holds true for planets or the development of life.

While you are right every human is unique, we are not so different that we do not recognize each other as human. We may be unique insofar as their DNA and personality may be concerned, we still have enough similarities that allow us to breed or allow us to suffer the same diseases. It would be better to look at planets that way; while each planet may be unique, it does not mean they are so dissimilar life cannot develop on others as well.

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so humanity is the only spieces capable if amassing an intellect. there is no possibility that there are other life forms out there doing... their thing twice as far ahead of the game as we