Interesting,Glenn Beck is saying both the German Nazi and Soviet Communist Parties are Leftist Parti

I like Glenn Beck but I think the Nazi Party is a right wing party. The Leftists in the Nazi party were pretty much purged with the Brown Shirts during the Night of the long knives in 1934.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by BigDaveJr]

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You are correct.
I think Beck is more concerned with propaganda than history.
He's attempting to associate "the left" with Nazism in uninformed minds.
That's what Beck does.

OH...and NEVERMIND the fact that he is completely silent against the MASSIVE corruption that is going to come from the supreme court ruling. The man who screams and cries for the love of his country...against corruption....against those who want to taint our constitution....yet HE IS SILENT.

He screams of CHAIRMAN MAO from China....he screams of Fascism.....yet he ignores the CORPORATE FASCISM that this entire country has just been blind sided with.

Chinese corporations can now have great influence in our government...as can any INTERNATIONAL corporation.

If he does not speak out against this...then he proves himself to be a fraud.

he can go on and on all night about how he hate's progressives in his imaginary history he has created for all the people to soak into their heads...but he cannot change the fact that this ruling has lead us straight into corporate fascism.

IF he ignores it or denies it...then he proves himself to be a fraud...PERIOD.



[edit on 22-1-2010 by David9176]

He's actually correct. But there is a difference between left, and leftist.
Eugenics, a central policy of the Nazi party, has it's roots in the American Progressive movement in the early 1900s. People like Woodrow Wilson(An ardent racist and eugenicist) was an early American Progressive. There's a reason why America and Nazi Germany were "friends" for so long before we were dragged into the war.

Communism needs no explanation. That most certainly IS a leftist philosophy.

What people need to realize, however, is that left/right-overtime becomes-right/left. The southern democrats created the KKK, and today you'll find "right wingers" among their ranks. Taking any philosophy too far in any direction will surely lead to disaster over time.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by projectvxn]

That's because Glenn Beck is a blubbering idiot. While yes, the Nazi party called itself the National Socialist Party and drew some left-wing elements, the party was by and far right wing. The progenitor of the Nazi party, the German Worker's Party, maintained a far right political stance. Hitler's time in the army was spent mainly on quelling various socialist uprisings, an experience that may have been essential in his development into an anti-communist hard liner:

In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated.

The ardent nationalism of the Nazi Party is one the many traits they share with the fascists, who were also a far-right organization.

This may clear these things up:

In 1919 Anton Drexler, Gottfried Feder and Dietrich Eckart formed the German Workers's Party (GPW) in Munich. The German Army was worried that it was a left-wing revolutionary group and sent Adolf Hitler, one of its education officers, to spy on the organization. Hitler discovered that the party's political ideas were similar to his own. He approved of Drexler's German nationalism and anti-Semitism but was unimpressed with the way the party was organized. Although there as a spy, Hitler could not restrain himself when a member made a point he disagreed with, and he stood up and made a passionate speech on the subject.

Anton Drexler was impressed with Hitler's abilities as an orator and invited him to join the party. At first Hitler was reluctant, but urged on by his commanding officer, Captain Karl Mayr, he eventually agreed. He was only the fifty-fourth person to join the German Workers's Party. Hitler was immediately asked to join the executive committee and was later appointed the party's propaganda manager.

In the next few weeks Hitler brought several members of his army into the party, including one of his commanding officers, Captain Ernst Roehm. The arrival of Roehm was an important development as he had access to the army political fund and was able to transfer some of the money into the GWP.

The German Workers's Party used some of this money to advertise their meetings. Adolf Hitler was often the main speaker and it was during this period that he developed the techniques that made him into such a persuasive orator.

Hitler's reputation as an orator grew and it soon became clear that he was the main reason why people were joining the party. This gave Hitler tremendous power within the organization as they knew they could not afford to lose him.

Adolf Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany.

Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word 'National' before it. He claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had "German blood". Jews and other "aliens" would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Germans should be brought to an end

German Worker's Party

Of course, in about half an hour this thread will be crawling with buffoons that think that Nazism and fascism are left-wing ideologies.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by Someone336]

For the record, there were some 400,000 "Brown Shirts" in the early 1930s (an outgrowth of Hitler's bodyguard from the beerhall days), but they were not "purged" in the Night of the Long Knives... At the insistence of the regular German Army and the SS, Hitler ordered some 200 top-ranking officers among the Brown Shirts murdered on that night. The rest of the Brown Shirts were disbanded later, most finding placement among the regular army or SS.

— Doc Velocity

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Thanks for the info!

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Yes, but the murder of those was directly caused by the beliefs of the Sturmabteilung: they actually believed in socialism, and had followed Hitler because he agreed to put an end to the German Marxists and the trade unions. But now that those needs were done, murmurs were beginning that the SA was going to stage a coup d'etat against the National Socialist Party in order to implement a socialist form of government.

It was a risky gambit, one that ultimately ended pretty ingloriously.

The only buffoons here are the ones that fail to realize that the atrocities that the Nazis committed grew out of their original political agenda - a German Nationalist Workers Socialist Movement. Every time in history that a leftist (and YES Virginia, Socialism IS a leftist movement) Socialist movement has taken power, it has always ended in similar form.

Nazis (socialist party) killed the Jews (they considered capitalism a Jewish plot and device). Adolph Hitler was the leader of the German Worker's Socialist Movement, which eventually became Fascist.

In Italy we had Benito Mussolini the leader of the Italian Socialist Republic - Sworn ally of Hitler. He started out a Socialistr and became Fascist.

It is the severe control of State Socialism (a leftist ideal) that defines Fascism at its very core. To say otherwise is simply to demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of Political Science. Heck, even Zeev Hernhell calls Fascism "an anti-Marxist form of Socialism"... again, Socialism being a leftist ideology.

Fascism itself is not a right-wing ideology - it embodies elements both leftist and right-wing. It in reality is almost a third entity upon itself.

Fascism historically been the end-result from Socialism being in governmental power. So, in reality... like it or not... He was correct.

Beck's quite right here. Some of us do need to take a good long look back at history. If only there was a way like I don't know a history book. Not one of the new ones though that cut out alot of the real story of our world.

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Gee it looks like Someone was right!
No surprise here!

I didn't know that 25,000 Ukrainians starved to death every day during the great famine! Stalin wanted to eliminate the Kulak class,so He allowed them to starve to death. I thought all of the USSR then was having a famine,but the USSR grew 12.2 million tons of wheat the year of the great famine. According to the Glenn Beck show the USSR sold off the wheat to help build up their industrial capacity,instead of feeding the starving Ukrainians.

That is also what happened during the so called Irish Potato Famine - they were producing enough food for the nation but the British took it all.

edit: back on topic, yeah, whether you like it or not, the Nazi party was a leftist party and, in fact, much of their "platform" was the same you see coming from the left even today:

the institution of profit sharing - "spreading the wealth"

nationalization of trusts - see current Obama war on banks

an end to the dominance of investment capital - see the war on Wall Street

extending pensions for the elderly and unemployed

health care for everyone - though to be fair at this point, they were only meaning Germans.

So, yeah, like pretty much every fascist in the 20th century, it was a leftist movement, at least in ideology if not action.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by Marid Audran]

Originally posted by David9176
he can go on and on all night about how he hate's progressives in his imaginary history he has created for all the people to soak into their heads...but he cannot change the fact that this ruling has lead us straight into corporate fascism.

IF he ignores it or denies it...then he proves himself to be a fraud...PERIOD.
[edit on 22-1-2010 by David9176]

Hates progressives? #, man was for universal healthcare and the bailout when on CNN

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I believe that it was stated that it was the Ukraine that grew the 12.5 million tonnes. Not the whole USSR. I don't know if metric or imperial was used but I'm guessing metric.

Anyways, I also believe that GB said, that came from a Ukrainian leader.

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He screams of CHAIRMAN MAO from China....he screams of Fascism.....yet he ignores the CORPORATE FASCISM that this entire country has just been blind sided with.

If he does not speak out against this...then he proves himself to be a fraud.

That would be because, he makes good money from endorsements. He doesn't actually care about America or its people, he cares about money. He doesn't care about getting the facts right, he cares about ratings. Higher ratings=more money. He knows what will bring in more viewers, thats why he seems to "preach" every show.

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Oh ok on the Grain grown in the Ukraine. The Russians don't even admit to the mass murders approved by Stalin,So I have to believe the President of the Ukraine on this.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by BigDaveJr]

Originally posted by YourPopRock
Fascism itself is not a right-wing ideology - it embodies elements both leftist and right-wing. It in reality is almost a third entity upon itself.

Fascism historically been the end-result from Socialism being in governmental power. So, in reality... like it or not... He was correct.

If fascism is a mix of both, you even says it's a third entity, and Beck says it's leftist, and he was right- then what about the right equivalent?

Nazism had a LOT of far-right beliefs in their idealogy. Bans of labor unions, favoring large corporations (don't forget that Wall Street was buddying up with Hitler), bans of feminism and homosexuality, Hitler killed any liberal he found. He proclaimed to be a capitalist and hated the communists.

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Wasn't Henry Ford a huge finantial supporter of the Nazi Party in the 20s-30s? I've also read things about the Bush family had a lot of money invested in I.G Farben(who made th Zyklon B gas used in Auschwitz)/

Originally posted by Someone336
That's because Glenn Beck is a blubbering idiot.

Glenn Beck is a professional entertainer, not an educator nor a politician. Whether or not Beck is an idiot makes no difference whatsoever to us. Now, if he was an idiot elected to influence legislation in the Senate — as was Al Franken — THAT would be a cause for concern.

Originally posted by Someone336
While yes, the Nazi party called itself the National Socialist Party and drew some left-wing elements, the party was by and far right wing. The progenitor of the Nazi party, the German Worker's Party, maintained a far right political stance.

And yet you cannot compare the "far-right political stance" of the Nazis to any "right-wing" stance in America today. There is no American right-wing stance that even remotely resembles the Nazi right-wing.

Don't even bother trying to represent the radical militia groups, hiding away in the hills of Idaho and Montana, as Nazis. Those guys are fearful of being gunned down by government agents, just as we all should be fearful.

Rather, the extremism of the Nazis of the Third Reich resembles nothing so much as Left-Wing extremism in the USA today, disposed to the most preposterous and far-flung propaganda (the "Big Lie"), anti-Christian activism, occultism, mythical beliefs, assassination, domestic terrorism and genocide — anyone who considers 40 million abortions of human life anything other than genocide, and deliberately supports abortion, is no better than a Nazi.

If it looks like a Nazi, walks like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi and acts like a Nazi, there's a very good chance it's a Nazi. And, cousin, the Far-Left in America is lookin' and walkin' and talkin' and actin' more and more like Nazis every day.

— Doc Velocity