Are We in Haiti because of Oil?

Are We in Haiti because of Oil?

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It has been a little over a week since the devastating earthquake hit just outside Port au Prince, Haiti. Since that day, I have watched in horror as the Haitian people and their society have quickly submerged into a quagmire of social unrest and political grandstanding.

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It has been a little over a week since the devastating earthquake hit just outside Port au Prince, Haiti. Since that day, I have watched in horror as the Haitian people and their society have quickly submerged into a quagmire of social unrest and political grandstanding. Once I observed the mass-murder posse of Team Obama, Bush and Clinton begin circling the wagons and the rapid US militarization of Port au Prince, including the occupation of the Presidential Palace, to the tune of now almost 10,000 US boots on the ground, I began to get suspicious. Call me crazy. I know of the sad history of Haiti imposed upon the tiny former slave nation by one imperial power after the next. But when I see 10,000 American soldiers descend upon a nation in less than a week, my radar flies into the red zone. Just when I was beginning to brush up on the story behind the story regarding Yemen, now I’m thrashed about one more time and forced to begin scrambling for the next story behind the story for this week’s latest NWO hot topic.

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reply to post by enca78


Sickening IMO. We are not in Haiti because of oil. We are in Haiti in an unprecedented humanitarian effort period. This is not the time to slander those who are putting forth their noble efforts, cash, time, and risk of life, just for a sick headline.

Edit to add: If there were a shred of truth that oil was located in abundance in 2008, and the Haitians wanted to use that to pay back those who have put their money up to save what is left of Haiti and it's peoples, there isn't anything wrong with that. But I would think that had oil been tapped in Haiti, it would have been used already by Haiti's leaders to feed, clothe, house, and produce clean water and sanitation, because they had no water to drink before the earthquakes, no sanitation, little food, and shanty houses. They could have used that oil money to help themselves after 4 major hurricanes.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by space cadet]

If you can't see that is exactly why we are there, the wolf in sheeps clothing, than all you have to do is open your eyes.

Look around at the facts.

They are blatant and horrifying and yes, all too true and real...

You want me to spoon feed you I will, I'll go to the other threads I've posted on and re-post the info here, but in a word?

YES IT IS FOR OIL!

peace

I know this is a conspiracy site, but the US doesn't always have as motive 'oil' to deploy troops. Since Iraq, it seems that people tend to think that US troops are deployed everywhere for oil only, which naturally is nonsense. Iraq was invaded because of its stance on the PetroDollar, which is also one of the reasons Venezuela is categorized under the axis of evil. Iraq was not invaded to secure oil in a tangible form.

As for Haiti, I have no idea why the US decided to deploy more than 10,000 troops. I doubt it is for emergency support purposes only as the number of troops is significantly higher in comparison to the troops deployed in Asia (15,000 if I'm not mistaken) after the Tsunami disaster, with the difference being that the geographical emergency scene was much larger (from India to Indonesia) as well as the number of people affected in need of help, yet the total number of troops in both occasions are almost similar.


[edit on 22-1-2010 by Mdv2]

Ok, well, it looks like I'll have to post one EX and source...

Because, have NO DOUBT it is OIL, deep water ports, the USA being able to avoid eco-law, and on and on...

There is evidence that the United States found oil in Haiti decades ago and due to the geopolitical circumstances and big business interests of that era made the decision to keep Haitian oil in reserve for when Middle Eastern oil had dried up.

There is also good evidence that these very same big US oil companies and their inter-related monopolies of engineering and defense contractors made plans, decades ago, to use Haiti's deep water ports either for oil refineries or to develop oil tank farm sites or depots where crude oil could be stored and later transferred to small tankers to serve U.S. and Caribbean ports.

Tap Haiti's oil, keep it so poor it will be grateful for slave wages at sweatshops. Let sexual tourism and the white sex-abusers do as they will.
Transfer quickly more Haiti properties to foreigners and render the "good" Haitians as maids, butlers and servants in US/Euro-owned Haiti tourist resorts like the rest of the Caribbean. Militarize Haiti so that dissent is not possible even as a thought. That's perhaps UN Envoy, Bill Clinton's "best chance in my lifetime" scenario for Haiti. (read for much more)

source

peace

As a child growing up in Florida, our home and the entire area was wiped out by a hurricane. Seeing my father carry my neighbors dead daughter's body and trying to revive her is one memory that will never go away. The total destruction of our lives and the lives of everyone I knew was at hand. The most welcoming sight we saw after that was when the troops moved in. Swift, organized and thourough, they eased our needs and guided us to where we could begin again that night, we had nothing left, my parents and 7 kids. And we were just one of the many many families left homeless and with no belongings.I was never intimidated by the men in uniform, they were there to help. They don't always mean that something evil is afoot.

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If the volume of Haiti's reserves are significant enough to prove this theory plausible, then this could only mean one thing: Iran is going to be attacked, the export of oil from the Middle East will shrink enormously due to Iranian attacks on tankers and the placement of mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

reply to post by Mdv2

If the volume of Haiti's reserves are significant enough to prove this theory plausible, then this could only mean one thing: Iran is going to be attacked, the export of oil from the Middle East will shrink enormously due to Iranian attacks on tankers and the placement of mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

Now you're thinking!

Star for you and a *high five*

And is it a wonder or what that Clinton just happens to be down there now (or was)...

This has been in his bag a tricks for a long time and now he's pulling the evil rabbit out of his hat.

All you have to do is a little research - but that's not the hard part - the hard part is once you do the research to resist the reaction to rebury your head in the sand...

EDIT: By the way, while you're doing that research ask yourself WHY the UIS military was doing disaster drills, in Haiti just a day(s) before the earthquake.

Just ANOTHER amazing coincidence you say?

I say not.

But that's for another thread.

peace


[edit on 22-1-2010 by silo13]

FYI... More troops are on way. My husb unit is probably going in March, but hasn't got final orders yet. Another lady soldier friend of mine got packing list yesterday. She is a combat MP.

I'm not sure why they are going... but I had rather my friends and family go Haiti than Afgan.

OIL?!! Wow, I can't believe what I am actually hearing? Haiti? Oil? Nah actually we are there to steal the tobacco so we can keep up with the supply and demand of Swisher Sweets, and Black and Mild cigars.(Sarcasm)

If Haiti had oil they wouldn't be that poor of a country. I'm sure they would of had buyers in the Caribbean even if they did sell their oil.

Some important content from a very very interesting article, yet I recommend you to read it yourself. Source


Is the UN military proxy occupation of Haiti masking US securing oil/gas reserves from Haiti by Ezili Dantò, June 10, 2008 (Last updated June 22, 2008)

It's June 10, 2008 and for over four years now, since the 2004 Bush regime change in Haiti began, I have pretty much been begging folks concerned with Haitian development to help HLLN discover what the US is really doing in Haiti, with Haiti's natural resources.

We have even been given information to suggest that the oil reserves located in Haiti are being tapped into from outside of Haiti, from Guantanamo Bay by the US. And given some indication that the head of the oil reserves that feed Venezuela comes, originates out of Haitian territory. ... These same Haitians tell of US boats drilling and sucking out Haiti's resources, such as the sulfur of TiTanyen. ...Further it has been said that in remote areas of Haiti there are metal plaques engraved, 'Property of the US government.'"

Those who are even slightly knowledgeable about Haiti know very well its abundance of resources compared to other areas in the Caribbean, in the Americas, and state it clearly, for their own purposes, in their exploration prospectuses. Haiti's marble, granite, limestone, coal, aggregate are the purest there is in the world. But, the embedded media's hysteria about Haiti's violence, lack of resources, extreme poverty and overpopulation is all that the world is generally told about Haiti, nothing about its formidable advantages and peerless riches.

Some of the false Haiti stereotypes are that Haiti has no resources, is one of the tiniest island nations in the Caribbean, overcrowded, violent and simply "the hemisphere's eternal basket case - a dismal repository of poverty where there is no future." In reality Haiti has formidable advantages - plentiful and still inexhaustible resources, the oldest formed and thus purest natural resources in the world, enviable strategic location, a hard working population. It is centered in the Caribbean Basin and it has 38% more coastline than the Dominican Republic. Haiti is a big Island compared to the other island nationsin the Caribbean. It is, in fact the third largest nation in the Caribbean, owns 60% of the CARICOM population, with the largest diaspora and most millionaires in the Caribbean.

It seems no one but Ezili's HLLN seems to think it EXTREMELY strange that the US and Canada have just built new, MASSIVE embassy in Haiti. The US Embassy in Haiti is so huge, it looks like a college campus, a close to a $100million dollar building (some say it will be a billion dollar building when done), with over 1,000 employees, in a country that's facing FAMINE, klorox hunger... Why do they need such a huge new investment in Haiti? To serve the needs of poor, hopeless Haitians? Those "failed" and always "fighting-each-other-Haitians," who've single-handedly rendered Haiti, as the corporate media never misses an opportunity to say, directly or indirectly, in a myriad of ways: "the hemisphere's eternal basket case - a dismal repository of poverty where there is no future?"

The new US Embassy in Haiti is massive, the largest in the world except for Iraq, Afghanistan, China and Germany and we know U.S. strategic and economic interests in those countries. What does Haiti own that even Republican Presidential candidate John McCain is campaigning concern for "the fight for justice in Haiti?"


Just now someone who know this mission of Ezili's HLLN to tear down the veil of lies that allows for the wealthy corporate oligarchs' unimpeded robbing, pillaging and plundering of Haiti, called to ask us to watch C-SPAN. Apparently, four US Congressmen are being televised talking to each other about how there is 1-1/2 trillion barrels of oil/gas 45-miles off the shores of the US. Reportedly, they did not give the EXACT location of where this 1-1/2 trillion oil/gas reserves is.

Osner Fèvry stated that the Internationals are fleecing "…the country’s riches. For example, you have an American citizen elected to the House of Deputies for La Gonave. Well, that is where they just discovered an important oil reserve that could be exploited for the next 100 years.

If I get it right, Haiti and Cuba supposedly share an extremely huge oil basin.




[edit on 22-1-2010 by Mdv2]

So, if you can get your hands on the transcript of this C-SPAN coverage of the Energy Commission that was aired today, June 10, 2008 please share it with HLLN.

The HLLN supporter that called to express suspicion indicated that these Congressmen normally have these meetings on the public record for a reason. But if the information is not intended for public viewing, they pick odd hours or, non-prime time hours to have their pow wows. Once its on the public record, they can call for a vote and sneak in their legislation. The gathering on the floor of Congress (right now at 8:30pm with only four of them there but) with C-SPAN camera angles you may think these Congressmen are addressing a full Congressional house - this C-SPAN show is to get the matter on the record and also perhaps to either play to their back-home constituency or the lobbyists their efforts are benefiting.

So, look for the transcript for the June 10, 2008 C-SPAN - where four members of Congress from the Energy Committee are talking on the floor of Congress about the fact that the US needs to drill for oil, so "why are we (US) drilling so far away from the United States, when Communist Cuba and Communist China are drilling for oil and gas reserve 45-miles off coast of US." This is a direct quote from the person who called to report this to HLLN. He indicated that "45-miles off the coast of the US" probably means there is drilling for oil by China just 45-miles "outside US international waters."

I found it highly implausible that the Pentagon would actually allow Communist Cuba to be drilling for oil. But our caller replied the "higher you go in the money game - the "isms" disappear. The commun-ism, neoliberal-ism, et al.

But then we found this New York Times, May 9, 2006 article indicating that “In 1977, the United States and Cuba signed a treaty that evenly divided the Florida Straits to preserve each country's economic rights. They included access to vast underwater oil and gas fields on both sides of the line. Now, with energy costs soaring, plans are under way to drill this year — but all on the Cuban side.

With only modest energy needs and no ability of its own to drill, Cuba has negotiated lease agreements with China and other energy-hungry countries to extract resources for themselves and for Cuba.

Cuba's drilling plans have been in place for several years, but now that China, India and others are involved and fuel prices are unusually high, a growing number of lawmakers and business leaders in the United States are starting to complain….”

So, in 1977 did Baby Doc sell Haiti out? Why is Haiti not involved if Cuba borders Haiti and Cuba has this oil. Why is that Cuban oil only on ONE side of Cuba and not in the Windward Passage to the Northeast of Haiti? The countries that border Cuba should know if the geographical survey that talks of this oil did not also show this oil is within their sovereign waters? I think Caricom and Haiti needs to look at this 1977 United States Geological Survey survey?

Why have these folks been sitting on this US oil reserves in US waters, for so long, and the US is fighting in Iraq for oil real estate? The US public crippled by high gas prices? And, if the oil reserves in Cuba is not that big as this article wants to indicate: "The United States Geological Survey estimates that the energy field on Cuba's side alone may have 4.6 billion barrels of oil and 9.8 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That much energy is equivalent to just a few months of the United States' total energy consumption. "

So, if that's true, then why is, at the end of the article, we find out that "Last week, American business executives visited lawmakers on Capitol Hill to lobby for any change in policy that would open up coastal waters, particularly those near Cuba."

Why have this off-hour hearing today, where four Republican congressmen are complaining, on the record, about China and Cuba drilling for oil, if the oil reserves in Cuba is only "equivalent to just a few months of the United States' total energy consumption?"

It doesn't add up. HLLN has more reason now than ever to believe that there is vast oil/gas reserves in Haiti, as Haitian attorney Osner Fèvry has indicated years ago, that will take the next "100 years" to fully exploit. Not much else, other than Haiti's gold, copper, emerald, coal, marble, granite, iridium, underwater treasures and other mineral riches explains the massive US, UN military presence in a country whose homicide rate, per capital, is LESS than that of the Caribbean tourist destination countries and even that of the United States. (Comparing crime, poverty and violence in the rest of the Hemisphere to Haiti; Brazil is in on it too. Brazil heads the UN forces in Haiti. Brazil signs oil exploration contract with Cuba - U.S. Senator: Drilling Offshore Cuba Could 'Desecrate' Florida the love to Haiti).
So, Haitians, Black and Brown everywhere, it's time to stop GETTING PLAYED and wake up. All is not what is seems. That’s Ezili Dantò’s gut feeling. But we need proof. The Internationals could be drilling in Guantanamo Cuba or even Venezuela, BUT the oil/gas reserves they are TAPPING into is not only in Haiti's Windward passage waters but out of HAITI - in La Gonave, La Tortue, or in the area of Port-de-Paix, or Dame-Marie as well as in the areas of the Fanmi Lavalas Haiti map of resources showing five oil/gas sites in Haiti. (See, Expose the lies about Haiti, its people, culture, Vodun spirituality and unique resources.)

To recap, the US Congressmen speaking on the floor of Congress today, June 10, 2008, on the need to drill closer to the US, reportedly indicated there was 1-1/2 TRILLION in oil/gas reserves only 45 miles off the coast of the US. This was a C-SPAN coverage of US Congressmen, from the Energy Committee, speaking on the floor of Congress. The four US Congressmen speaking on the floor of Congress at the time this info was sent to HLLN were all Republicans and included: Congressman Phil Gingey; Georgia Congressman Paul Broun; Fred Upton, Republican from Michigan, and Republican from Oklahoma, Tom Kole. Also present was Congressman Tim Walberg, Republican from Michigan.

That's exactly what they did at the congress during the vote for the Federal Reserve. Christmas Eve, almost no one was there.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by Mdv2]

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


This is my thought too.

Haiti's main fuel for electricity is wood, which is why they suffer such devastation when it rains heavily there, because all they're forests have been cleared and they suffer erosion and mud slides.

Why is this fact important? Because if Haiti had access to oil it could as you say sobe ld for other raw materials such as coal or even be used instead of wood.

[edit on 22/1/10 by Chadwickus]

I think we are too. And as an added bonus we can set up shop right in the backyard of Cuba. and Venezuela isnt too far away from there either.

and for the record I'm all for it

We are not in Haiti because of oil, we are in Haiti because of an earthquake. The United States does not need or want to control Haiti after this disaster is under control. If we wanted Haiti for oil or anything else we would have moved in years ago. That is the bottom line.

reply to post by Common Sense says...


Perhaps you should read the article to which I have posted a link and enlighten yourself. Of course you can also take it for granted and refuse any other perspectives.

reply to post by Mdv2


Please check the thread US Militarisation of Haiti, I guess you will start having doubts why US is actually there.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by December_Rain]

My god. the things people come up with.... newsflash to the author of the story, but many nations are there now helping. The USA is there to help.

about as silly as HARRP stuff.

What a load of crap.

As a Brit I would like to say a big THANK YOU to the USA for the leadership you have shown in this crisis and the lives you have saved.

I'm sure many Haitians are very grateful as well.