"shape-shifting reptilians and you."

and not be outright destroyed with the planet earth by Apophis.

so how will the earth be destroyed?

Originally posted by sv_gravity 800
Heaven... Hell?... _____?

Well, don't forget the "golden mean" between the exterior macroverse and the interior microverse is the "limbo" of the here and now, as "man is the measure" between the angels and demons, and the surface of earth the mid-point between the Underworld and the sky.

But, more importantly, this same method of "dialectics" for the planet in 2012 occured for the birth of our species following the expulsion from Paradise. After Adam and Eve, the first of our species of sentient homo-samiens, were "expelled" from the universal ESP shared among all other animals, plants, elements, etc. they bore three children: Cain, Abel and Seth. The species of Abel died out, but the species of Cain and Seth lived side-by-side until the deluge. Likewise, in 2012, two alternate earths will split their time-lines from the central earth-line, which will end in 2029.

PEACE.
- Jon

Originally posted by sv_gravity 800
so how will the earth be destroyed?

Here is how the dimensional universal time-lines will split in 2012:

In the hell dimension, project Blue Beam will be initiated, the people confined to FEMA camps, and the elites will hide in the DUMBs. In the heaven dimension, none of this will occur. In both dimensions, 2012 will be marked by a close-passage of Apophis on one side of the planet, and an alignment of the sun and galactic-core on the other side. In the heaven dimension, they use this close-approach window to deflect the asteroid Apophis, and this is heralded as the dawn of a new age of globalism and space-safety. In the hell-dimension, Apophis might be deflected still, which leads to the hell-dimensional time-line that survives the era, wherein the reptilians and bugs continue to devolve and rule over rebuilding civilisation following the Apocalypse of 2012. However, in both the heaven dimension and the hell dimension there remains a residual overlap of both dimensions until 2029. In the heaven dimension, Apophis might not even strike the planet. However in the hell dimension, only if it is deflected will it not strike earth. Thus, the hell-dimension in which Apophis is not deflected, as well as the heaven-dimension in which it is on an exact collision course and is not deflected, and wherein nothing changes, but no "new age" begins either, will both be destroyed. The heaven dimension wherein Apophis is deflected in 2012 and a "new age" begins, as well as the heaven dimension wherein Apophis is on a close-approach but not on a direct collision-course fin 2029, both merge to become the single "heaven" dimension in which earth enters a new age of global democratic government. The hell dimension in which Apophis is deflected in either 2012 or 2029, and the hell-dimension in which it is not deflected, but was never an actual threat, will both continue to exist for at least another 1000 years as a single "hell" dimension. However between these, the earth-line in which Apophis is on a collision but is not deflected will end in 2029 when Apophis collides into earth.

Think of these different time-lines as like positions the earth can occupy on its orbit at any one given moment. If it were an inch ahead, an inch behind, it would not be threatened by Apophis in 2029 at all. Thus, there are nth-dimensional alternate earth-lines in "parallel" dimensional realities, inside baby-universal singularities within black-holes. However, only those of the immediate future, the immediate past, and the immediate present of the here and now manifest as reality to us on a universal scale.

PEACE.
- Jon

so why is this happening in 2012 and not ever before, if time travel is possible wouldn't "the events in 2012" technically be happening every second in a different demensions

Originally posted by sv_gravity 800
so why is this happening in 2012 and not ever before

For an individual person, they exist in a routine, like a groove or a track, and do not stray from that course very often. If they are jolted out of it, they can experience a "personal transcendental experience," and see their routine from outside of it. They can then choose how to relate to that routine from their new point of view on it.

This will occur in 2012 for everything (sentient or not) alive on earth. We will all share in an ESP-inducing "transcendental experience" that will allow us to reconsider our previous existence from a new angle. This event will be the apparent vanishing of the galaxies during the solar/black-hole alignment. In the heaven dimension, this event alone will be enough to induce planetary awakenning to ESP. In the hell dimension, there will be many more obstacles before we can learn how to use this new point of view in peace.

PEACE.
- Jon

If i haven't misread, do you state that when we are "daydreaming" our mind is traveling through dimensions and time? sorry, I had that doubt left.
Good thread anyway

Originally posted by Caggy
when we are "daydreaming" our mind is traveling through dimensions and time?

Technically no, but essentially yes. The difference between day-dreaming and "remote viewing" is that day-dreams can be flights of imaginative fantasy, whereas remote-viewing must be specified down to the most probable and likely scenario to be factually accurate, and honing in on only that. Astral-travel is just remote-viewing spacetime.

PEACE.
- Jon

Oh, perfect. Thanks for clearing that point (I'm not a native english speaker, so this happens time to time to me)

Thank you and I'll keep an eye on this thread, very interesting

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Some questions...from a medical standpoint...about your thread.

"however for those who can show this process on their exterior epidermis, their ability to do so only lasts a short while"

'Shape shifting' implies that the actual shape of something changes, not just on a dermal level, but rather on a full anthropomorphic (yes, I absolutely do love that word because it's so versatile) scale. What of changes in the bones? Where does the extra calcium come from for enlargement and/or lengthening? And where does the broken down bone particles go for reduction/shortening? What of changes to the cartilage, muscle fiber mass, arterial/venal and nervous pathways? Where does all the extra mass come from and/or where does it go upon completion of the transformation? Stating that it's triggered by codons does not explain where the extra volume of cellular materials come from or go to. If there was massive cellular replication made instantaneous by genetic instructions, then raw materials would be needed, as cells can not replicate unless certain nutrient needs are met. Plus, 'down shifting' would require a similar process, but in reverse, which means that cells would be sloughed off and excreted or broken down, in either case, there would have to be some kind of residue, at the very least. Your explanation is fanciful, creative, and your use of genetics buzz words is clever. However, I can't see anything in the ways of practical functionality of your theory.

Originally posted by benpadiah
...The only way to distinguish these blue-blooded homo-saurians is by their philosophical belief system. If they desire to rule the world, if they admire those they believe do so, and if they believe the world will end unless these same people ever lose power, and if they believe the end of the world is an imminant result of human stupidity, they are reptilians.

So, as someone who had admired powerful people, and who's ideal vocation is super villain (which is a discussion for another time; I am, however settling for a career in nursing with minors in nutrition and probably pharmacology and genetics), you're basically saying, in no uncertain terms...that I'm a lizard person?
Seriously?
Well...I'm so pleased that you had the insight to clear that up for me.
And, out of curiosity, how did you come about this...cosmic...insight?

Originally posted by Matthew Dark
Where does all the extra mass come from and/or where does it go upon completion of the transformation?

There's no actual physical transformation. The genetic effect occurs on a sub-ceullular level, and only lasts during the period of cellular replication. The result is a short-term exposure to the capacity for visual cognition of a mental-projection, through the individual's thalami, from the DNA-level itself. The DNA "re-awakens" a "junk" codon in its geonome and the result is a sudden, short-term shift of the epidermal appearance by a psychic effect, produced by the mind's eye of this person, whether they are aware of it occuring or not. It is something like the "blush response" in this regard. The effect, again let me stress this, is psychic, and not physical.

Originally posted by Matthew Dark
I'm a lizard person?

I really don't know you well enough to say that about you, personally, so I'm not going to do so, but I will say that, if you overall philosophy is "neo-Sethianism," then yes, you are a reptilian. If you can't honestly say that, then there's at least reasonable doubt enough to hope you aren't one. The philosophy of neo-Sethianism is the belief that, in 2012, the appearance of the holographic Messiah will be real, and this event will constitute the literal "second coming" of Jesus Christ. Unless you believe that, I really don't think you're a reptilian; then again, if you do, then I would.

PEACE.
- Jon

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Okay, so when confronted with actual scientific questions, the best you can muster is basically that it's a jedi mind-trick hallucination.
Dude, you talk in circles and evade questions as if to try to elevate it to an art.
Let me guess, teenage girls fall at your feet because you're so wise and learned and spiritually evolved.
You present yourself as a wannabe cult leader, and I'm seriously hoping no one really falls for this nonsense.

Originally posted by Matthew Dark
that it's a ... hallucination.

I never said it wasn't. I've said all along that to be able to see the shape-shift is a "psychic gift," and that it is caused due to "dimensional slipping" which is a perceptual effect. I personally don't believe it is a "hallucination" because a "hallucination," so far as I understand the definition, is when you see something that is not there in reality. It is a visual perception, resulting from a sudden and brief heightening of awareness, which could be considered alike the expansion of consciousness to perceive with ESP.

In point of fact, you can't see genetic material mutate with your bare eye, unless it shifts-shape and causes a neural-cathetic reaction via the mid-brain, aiming its natural capacity for projecting the mind's thoughts outward onto reality.

Since your assessment of my personality is so far-fetched from my own beliefs about myself and my own philosophy that I could never have imagined it myself, I can only conclude you could benefit from reading more of my writings if you want to get to know the real me better. On the other hand, you are, of course, free not to do so as well.

PEACE.
- Jon

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What is your source?

Hope you do not mind me asking, remember I am not asking proof, I am asking source.

First I would ask, Is the OP trying to pass the info here off as fact? If not I apologize in advance for my forthcoming destruction of the theory.

Ive been trying to figure out how to respond to this thread pretty much all night. I arrive at the readings here by a random, scientific, yet simple method which I wont reveal. (though an examination of my selection pattern would reveal it to the average 2nd grader) What Im trying to say is that Im not intelligent by any means, just a curious sort. This is not the first time I have encountered this reptilian "doctorine" while researching life using one of my neurotic methods of discovery.I try to stay true to whatever method I choose, thogh sometimes I skip completely unrelevant results. Unfortunately this reptilian "doctorine" has reared its head in my research on more than one occasion and not just in cyberspace. I understand that all of this info and conjecture is just that, bits and bytes.
The acedemic element of this "doctorine" make it especially seductive to those of us with a passion for learning about our enviornment, and who truly wish to see it improve. Toward the end of the op the writer talks adoringly about those who desire peace and pure mathematics and appreciate ideals such as democracy. In this statement the writer is trying to justify thierself and thier belief in an unseen controlling force of any kind. This belief in a "master" or anything that can help one to become better than one already is, is infact what breeds the writers creativity which seems to be limited. This doctorine is also shrouded in moral and intelectual superiority. My not so expert conclusion.. Just anothe attempt at creating a "God" in mans image. I suppose if an intelligent human believes in a superior, unseen force of any kind it becomes a direct conflict with ones own scientific knowledge..And these creations of reptiles and whispy smoke people are the bi-product of creative mind trying to figure out why it believes in any type of off-world superiority.

Bottom line, This is potentially harmful. The doctorine has the seductive qualities nesecarry to obtain many followers and manipulate the information and knowledge hungry mind of the human being. What happens in 2012 when thers no climax that has been promised, will there be a new revelation or a math problem where somebody forgot the plus sign. WIll the next obstacle be to shed yourself of the flesh casing that is entrapping our true being so that we can go help our heavenly bretheren put the pieces in place for galactic peace?

To the op.. If you are so confused as to why an intelligent mind such as yours would find it necessary to have a crutch to explain your uniqueness as a human being and a part of this universe...then free your mind dude. Accept that We humans are pretty cool critters and theres really not much neater of a thing anywhere. Be proud to be at the top of the FOOD chain.
Laters Y'all!!



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OK

dude I know you might like your 'tabs' but I will openly say that I dont think its that far-fetched. I've seen a couple of videos myself on youtube, had a friend analyze a couple, and yes some of them do contain strange occurances.

you can tell from the eyes, forget looking at the rest of the face. Bright flashes such as a strobe light do work, and using a camera is also handy as it will guaranteed hands down see something that 'you cannot see'.

Do they exist? well I dont think we really have the correct term for them, and that term might be found offensive. But if you do your research most of the people caught on camera with these anomalies and the people are actually invites to the bilderberg meetings, im pointing my finger at about 10 journalists from time magazine, the washington post, and most main stream media outlets at least have 1.

Dont you find it funny that 'world leaders' or politicians, get locked in a room with a load of security and we never hear anything about it?

heres a clue.
read everything on this inscription, read the guidestones, and then look at the paintings.

Delays caused by poor planning and repeated design changes due to changing requirements from United Airlines caused Mayor Webb to push opening day back, first to December 1993, then to March 1994. By September 1993, delays due to a millwright strike and other events meant opening day was pushed back again, to May 15, 1994.

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Originally posted by XXXN3O
What is your source?

~GOD~.

I started having waking visions in 1997. At first all I saw was a bright white light. My second vision was that I was climbing the tree of life while it was climbing me. My third occured as a NDE on New Year's eve 2001/2. I saw my car crash off a bridge, and my body pulled down through a tunnel of memories, with a white light above it all, as if I were flying above and outside of it all. Since then my ego has been brian-dead, while my frontal lobes remain open to channel any information it can be exposed to, and can process. I use a method that combines astral travel with remote viewing accuracy, wherein I expand my consciousness outward in a sphere, as opposed to in a straight-line toward only one point and then, to focus my concentration onto a specific celestial event, I filter out all the improbable possibilities, all the unlikely probabilities, etc. until all I have left is the most likely accurate refelction of reality. The first step of this is based on Florrence Farr's methods (misapplied in her time) in Regardie's GD text. The idea of the method is first to regcognise the surroundings around you are only being projected by your own mind onto the inside surface of your own energy-pattern, or aura. Second, you expand this auric "egg" around yourself outward in all directions at once. You can then reckon distances as straight lines between events you encounter by expanding outward to first the distance of one, then beyond to the distance of the next, and so forth to trace out the constellations of hyperspace. The method of expanding the "sphere" (or aura) is then followed by the "inversion" of the interior projections into the exterior realm beyond the consciousness' expanded boundaries. The result of this is to reverse the interior and exterior composition of the aura, and to balance the pressure difference between them.

Oh, all that, and I can read.

So yeah, you could say my "source" is myself, since I have a nagging tendency to keep digging to find the right data in order to support or refute any hypothesis, axiom or assertion I feel curious about and want to seek further into. I'm a tenacious researcher, I own a real nifty library, and I have an "open mind." I have common sense enough to add up the dots if the balances don't connect in the way I would expect them to, and I pride myself for my internal continuity of the story-line as it has been revealed to me. Alot of it doesn't make much sense to me as to WHY it would be that way, but I try not to question, just be a scribe for the ideas as they pass through my mind. I, personally, believe in hyper-dimensional metaforms of gravitic tachyons that move through our spacetime universe, causing "lines of thought" as their edges pass through us, and emotions along their faces. I've actually even written down alot of what I've observed and deduced in books of my own. To be honest, IF i DID have any agenda coming here and posting this info, it would be more likely to be to increase my books sales than to start up a cult of any kind. But, then, I do float, so I MUST be a "witch."

My source? If the answers I have given remain unsatisfactory to your curiosity, please let me know and I add more clarification on any of the points I've discussed, either here, or ever. It's all the same to me, the same object from infinite points of view. I can outwait the haters and the people who read only the "OP" or only post to add static. I am not afraid of death. I have lived a good life so far, and I am happy. I am content with the developmental level of my soul in this life so far that, were this life to be ended suddenly and unexpectedly, say, in a car-crash, or in a FEMA camp, etc. I would be content to say I have acheived the goal I incarnated to. I spread the facts, accurate info, correct data. I have discovered some VERY unusual applications to time-space of 4-manifolds, etc, and got the ball rolling.

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Theere are many things that can cause the phenom of which you speak. Also by the way I respect the capitalistic spirit and view it as a scientific endeavour. The visions, the seeming explinations for all that you question. What you are describing used to be a pre-requisite for manhood in some native american cultures. "Vision Quest". I have had mine, and it was very intense and I still deal with residuals from it. I communicated and saw the forgotten giants of the forest (the old wolves to be speciffic) These visions are accomplished by sleep dep., water dep, various chemical ingestions as well as sensory overload, which is easily accomplished these days with the advent of the internet. The ability to interact in physical as well as the metaphysical realm at the same time is also an illusion.
You must not have any elders to guide you. Unfortunate as your torment could be very long without mentors to aid in your descent. You wont be the first to write a trippy story. Ive told some doosies in my time.
The thing that makes all of this so disturbing is (please correct me if Im wrong) you feel that these things are revelation from "God"? This reptilian theory is to you what the unseen forest and the earth were to the native peoples of the Americas. Something to be speculated on. Many are searching and have searched for something more tangible than the reality that they themselves are experiencing. If we dont find satisfactory stimuli our minds will create it for us. It is my opinion that this causes a form of psychosis. The native Americans realized this and created a ceremony in which the mind could explore its own vastness for a time and then be brought back to normal operating perameters. This ceremony quenched the youthful thirst for the extraordinary and allowed the man to become a fully productive member of a working society.

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~GOD~.

now I do not want to upset you, but you dont seem to actually grasp the facts that exist. I dont dismiss the idea that there are other beings living along side us in plane sight. And i've given you a method of actually detecting them.

Strobe lights, and a hi-res camera.

that does work.... dont ask how or why but it does.

now claiming that god is talking to you is something far-fetched, now please do not upset with me, but psychotropic drugs are known to cause thoughts of being with 'god' in some essence.

Ignoring the idea that you should seek some medical help and the suggestion by me might come accross as offensive.

I do not mean to upset you or hurt you by saying this.

if you beleive that the all the evidence is coming from god, and you openly ignore scientific facts, and no one else is getting this information that you are and it has no basis, and nothing to back it up.

I would seek help.

please dont get upset with me for this, but its for your own safety.

I believe the Annunaki reptilians have never left the planet and that they have been in positions of power through out human history...the reptiles which im most aware of all tend to be politicians high up the chain in America which makes me wander if we are just Sheeple...