Supreme Court Removes Limits on Corporate, Labor Donations to Campaigns

reply to post by seethelight


Don't believe it, is your choice, is many people that still think our government is all for the people.

But then again it is? . . .

What really needs to be done is to abolish the "Corporate Personhood", which gives corporations the same rights as actual people to influence (read lobby) our lawmakers, ... not to just decide how much money they can use to influence our countries lawmakers!

Yes or no, will you pledge to abolish corporate personhood?

The U.S. Constitution, which defines our nation of popular sovereignty, boldly begins with three simple words, written large, "We the People." These three famous words convey responsibility equally to all people to make our own laws.
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Starting in the 1880s, ironically using the 14th Amendment, one of the Reconstruction Amendments that abolished the legal fiction that a person was property, corporate attorneys convinced a few judges (who were previously corporate attorneys) to create corporate personhood, the legal fiction that property is a person. This gave corporations, which are non-human, artificial legal entities for owning property, some of the rights intended for freed slaves. Toiling another century, more attorneys convinced more judges to expand corporate rights to add protections from the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments. (Legislators who were elected through the largesse of corporations shoulder the blame for allowing these decisions to stand.) Today, corporate personhood is fully mature, giving corporations all the rights necessary to combine with their wealth to control our governance. Using modern media and marketing science, voters are persuaded which candidates to elect. With gifts, campaign contributions and no spending limits on lobbyists, lawmakers are influenced. "We the People" are not in control; instead, non-humans dominate the process of making laws that control humans!
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Corporations serve a vital function in our society; they allow capital to be combined to accomplish amazing things. They drive our glorious way of life and prosperity. We must provide corporations with the rights and tools they need to thrive while serving the public good; we can do that without letting them participate in our law making process. But they'll use their persuasive powers to disagree. They'll vilify candidates who promise to limit corporate influence. We must be strong and ignore their deluge of ads and pundits, and only vote for candidates who put "We the People" above "We the Corporations."

A corporation is property, not a person, ...



Corporate personhood should be abolished, corporations are property, not a person or "We the People", and should not have the power to influence our lawmakers, period!

To Restore Democracy First Abolish Corporate Personhood

Abolish Corporate Personhood

Abolish Corporate Personhood Goal:

Corporate Personhood Should Be Banned, Once and For All

[edit on 1/22/2010 by Keyhole]

reply to post by Keyhole


Well, taking into consideration that I even gave my signature for the petition to get lobbyist out of Washington a while back and now look what the Supreme court did, I guess we the people stand no chance to do anything by the only means of peaceful purpose, voting, participating in the government process, doing petitions and supporting out constitution.

Is nothing but more slaps coming your way for been good citizens and doing the right thing.

Is going to take and act by the people to get our government to change its ways because as you see congress is not longer working for us.

Originally posted by mrbarber
With all due respect to Ziggy, who has criticized some of my posts as being "off-topic", you can't look at this Court ruling without looking at the level of Corporate influence already present within the legislative agenda.
You must look at the precedent being set in the Healthcare reform legislation that "forces" citizens to by products, healthcare insurance, from Corporations, insurance companies, or risk fines and imprisonment. All of this is being marketed as a necessary response to the Healthcare crisis.

So, if this health care legislation becomes law and sets that precedent, what products from which Corporations will we be forced to buy in response to the Energy crisis, or the housing crisis, or global warming, or pandemics. First they will market a crisis, just as they did with swine flu, then they will market the products that you "must buy", at literally the point of a gun, to solve the crisis, and they will do it through future legislation.

The ruling made by supposedly conservative members of the Supreme Court provides further evidence that the left vs. right, Republican vs. Democrat public battles are nothing more than an effort to entertain us and distract us from focusing on the shared agenda

Blab all you want, the fact remains that the 5 Conservative Justices just gave China, Russia, and any foreign interest that controls corporations in the US like Japan, and Saudi Arabia, the legal right to pick our leaders.

You want to blame Obama?

How freaking ignorant are you? Maybe you don't understand, perhaps you actually agree, we should be controlled by our enemies.

Either way you are part of the problem.

Unbelievable.

Ziggy Strange

The Iranians chanted death to America.Now they have it.Why do we even bother holding elections at all as they are just a farce.Im livid.Add the supreme court to those bodies of power that must be removed like the cancer they are.

its unbelievable that the supreme court would rule to favor this. this is no longer a democracy. it really hasnt been so in years but the last vestigaes of what we had left are now gone... the people of america no longer have a voice, that belongs to the lobbyist groups in washington. we've never had a vote, that always belonged to those select few that belong to the electoral college. and now what little pull we had with campaign donations are now gone... 2010 and 2012 elections will be very interesting. it will be interesting to see what puppets get put into office and wether we see more instances of voting fraud.. by the way, DOW is down -140 points right now and is down 400+ over the last 3 days.. *roller coaster*

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
its unbelievable that the supreme court would rule to favor this. this is no longer a democracy. it really hasnt been so in years but the last vestigaes of what we had left are now gone... the people of america no longer have a voice, that belongs to the lobbyist groups in washington. we've never had a vote, that always belonged to those select few that belong to the electoral college. and now what little pull we had with campaign donations are now gone... 2010 and 2012 elections will be very interesting. it will be interesting to see what puppets get put into office and wether we see more instances of voting fraud.. by the way, DOW is down -140 points right now and is down 400+ over the last 3 days.. *roller coaster*

Hi Coffinman

First time we agree on something!

Treason makes strange bedfellows.

Help get these deluded people off the "this is a great thing for Free Speech" wagon.

I agree we have differences but you see the problem, that's obvious.

The solution has to be based on relativity. People think this is a triumph for the Conservative movement.

Speak out.

Thank you

Ziggy Strange

reply to post by ziggystrange


I guess we're heading toward Corporatism,just like 1922-1943 Fascist Italy.

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

I guess we're heading toward Corporatism,just like 1922-1943 Fascist Italy.

Absolutely correct.

I have been ranting about this for a while here, only to be called a socialist, and a lot worse.

Think about it, and speak up everywhere you can, this is no joke.

People are showing how truly deluded they are, This actually contextualizes all the petty bigotry we have been plagued with for years. Folly, selfish childish games.

The result of taking your eye off the target is you miss.

We missed. The vitriol was aimed at the wrong person period.

Obama right now, is our only hope. If he does not act, then he is everything people say he is. (excluding the insanity of birthers)

Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by SecretGoldfish

 

How did the Supreme court has taken a step into our political process that has to do with congress.

Looking back to what the Supreme court did, actually are they stepping on the job of congress? that actually are the ones that are elected by the people, while the supreme court is not.

Is the supreme court over stepping its powers?

YES it is the Supreme court can not make law or over turn it that must be done by congress. There is nothing in the constitution that allow the court this right.

The only way they can justify this is to say that campaign finance reform was against the constitution but the constitution can be amended and if congress votes and passes a campaign finance reform amendment the court can not over turn it not on any bases since a amendment to the constitution can not be unconstitutional.
That is why the anti-gay marriage people want a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and why those in favor want one allowing it.
But a amendment to the constitution is the hardest of all laws to get passed but if those in congress were serious about campaign reform they would pass just such a amendment the rest is just talk. Both sides talk big about reform to us while the continue to except the money.

Originally posted by ventian
All the mouth breathers that voted for Obama to stop the way Washington does business just got their wish. George Soros now runs/owns this country. He will pour unlimited money into campaigns and really buy off some politicians. Obama appointed Sotomeiyor to pass laws just like this. Free speech has nothing to do with this. If Bush had done this the left hypocrites in this country would have thrown a sh*tfit. I am glad the messiah did so our country won't fall into anarchy.

1. Sotomayor was a dissenting opinion.

2. The court is stacked in the conservative's favor.

What the heck are you talking about?

[edit on 22-1-2010 by elfie]

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

I guess we're heading toward Corporatism,just like 1922-1943 Fascist Italy.

Absolutely correct.

I have been ranting about this for a while here, only to be called a socialist, and a lot worse.

Think about it, and speak up everywhere you can, this is no joke.

People are showing how truly deluded they are, This actually contextualizes all the petty bigotry we have been plagued with for years. Folly, selfish childish games.

The result of taking your eye off the target is you miss.

We missed. The vitriol was aimed at the wrong person period.

Obama right now, is our only hope. If he does not act, then he is everything people say he is. (excluding the insanity of birthers)

Ziggy Strange

The bolded bit I found, with all due respect, laughable. Obama is a tool for these clowns. He gets out of line, buh-bye Obama. You guys might want to take a look at this link, to get an idea what some military folks think should be done:
www.veteranstoday.com...

I'm not in the military, but I agree. 100%

reply to post by dragonseeker


YES^^^ that is what I've bee saying! As soon as the gavel came down, the officers in the Supreme Courtroom should have arrested all 5 judges that voted yes, and held them without bail for treason. Also, they should all be removed from their lifetime posts as supreme court justices.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by tooo many pills]

Originally posted by dragonseeker

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

I guess we're heading toward Corporatism,just like 1922-1943 Fascist Italy.

Absolutely correct.

I have been ranting about this for a while here, only to be called a socialist, and a lot worse.

Think about it, and speak up everywhere you can, this is no joke.

People are showing how truly deluded they are, This actually contextualizes all the petty bigotry we have been plagued with for years. Folly, selfish childish games.

The result of taking your eye off the target is you miss.

We missed. The vitriol was aimed at the wrong person period.

Obama right now, is our only hope. If he does not act, then he is everything people say he is. (excluding the insanity of birthers)

Ziggy Strange

The bolded bit I found, with all due respect, laughable. Obama is a tool for these clowns. He gets out of line, buh-bye Obama. You guys might want to take a look at this link, to get an idea what some military folks think should be done:
www.veteranstoday.com...

I'm not in the military, but I agree. 100%

I agree with the Military to some degree.

I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but given how wide you opened your mouths for the last 30 years, a little truth should go down no problem.

If you wait long enough, you will be begging for it.

Dream on. Bold whatever you want, in this discussion you can't win regardless of how much you try to deflect blame.

The blame is on the Conservative Presidents that appointed the traitor Justices.

The solution has to come from/through Obama, or it's just more revolution delusion.


Ziggy Strange

Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by dragonseeker

Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by BigDaveJr
reply to post by ziggystrange

 

I guess we're heading toward Corporatism,just like 1922-1943 Fascist Italy.

Absolutely correct.

I have been ranting about this for a while here, only to be called a socialist, and a lot worse.

Think about it, and speak up everywhere you can, this is no joke.

People are showing how truly deluded they are, This actually contextualizes all the petty bigotry we have been plagued with for years. Folly, selfish childish games.

The result of taking your eye off the target is you miss.

We missed. The vitriol was aimed at the wrong person period.

Obama right now, is our only hope. If he does not act, then he is everything people say he is. (excluding the insanity of birthers)

Ziggy Strange

The bolded bit I found, with all due respect, laughable. Obama is a tool for these clowns. He gets out of line, buh-bye Obama. You guys might want to take a look at this link, to get an idea what some military folks think should be done:
www.veteranstoday.com...

I'm not in the military, but I agree. 100%

I agree with the Military to some degree.

I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but given how wide you opened your mouths for the last 30 years, a little truth should go down no problem.

If you wait long enough, you will be begging for it.

Dream on. Bold whatever you want, in this discussion you can't win regardless of how much you try to deflect blame.

The blame is on the Conservative Presidents that appointed the traitor Justices.

The solution has to come from/through Obama, or it's just more revolution delusion.


Ziggy Strange

Ziggy Strange

I'm not trying to win, but, even though I'm not trying, I've beaten you with a simple fact: Barack Obama will not save us. He never intended to. Hope and change was a slogan, nothing more. I voted for him. I'm a black man. I believed him, I felt proud when he won. He lied. He's DOWN with this. He's on their side. If he weren't, bushco would've been doing the perp walk months ago. fed reserve would be shut down; 9/11 re-investigation would be in full effect. no..so..much. He knows what's up, and he did not move against these people. Very much "The dog that did not bark". Guys...it's time. You know what I mean.

reply to post by dragonseeker


D - I'm not trying to win, but, even though I'm not trying, I've beaten you with a simple fact: Barack Obama will not save us. He never intended to. Hope and change was a slogan, nothing more. I voted for him. I'm a black man. I believed him, I felt proud when he won. He lied. He's DOWN with this. He's on their side. If he weren't, bushco would've been doing the perp walk months ago. fed reserve would be shut down; 9/11 re-investigation would be in full effect. no..so..much. He knows what's up, and he did not move against these people. Very much "The dog that did not bark". Guys...it's time. You know what I mean.

Z - First of all, you being black has nothing to do with you ignorance. Second, the fact that you voted for Obama is a credit to you, but how fast you turned tail speaks volumes about your level of comprehension. Third, to say Obama or any center, or left person had something to do with this is the epitome of stupidity, and a lie.

Z - Lastly, it's the barking dog that doesn't bite, get your metaphors in order. Without the President on the Bully Pulpit talking, and his pen, all we have is revolt, and that is the fools solution.

You won this argument in your deluded little brain turncoat.


Ziggy Strange

reply to post by dragonseeker


Dude you are one confused person. I would have applauded you yesterday, but today?

I think you are bonkers!

Cyberstray

Originally posted by ziggystrange
reply to post by dragonseeker

 

D - I'm not trying to win, but, even though I'm not trying, I've beaten you with a simple fact: Barack Obama will not save us. He never intended to. Hope and change was a slogan, nothing more. I voted for him. I'm a black man. I believed him, I felt proud when he won. He lied. He's DOWN with this. He's on their side. If he weren't, bushco would've been doing the perp walk months ago. fed reserve would be shut down; 9/11 re-investigation would be in full effect. no..so..much. He knows what's up, and he did not move against these people. Very much "The dog that did not bark". Guys...it's time. You know what I mean.

Z - First of all, you being black has nothing to do with you ignorance. Second, the fact that you voted for Obama is a credit to you, but how fast you turned tail speaks volumes about your level of comprehension. Third, to say Obama or any center, or left person had something to do with this is the epitome of stupidity, and a lie.

Z - Lastly, it's the barking dog that doesn't bite, get your metaphors in order. Without the President on the Bully Pulpit talking, and his pen, all we have is revolt, and that is the fools solution.

You won this argument in your deluded little brain turncoat.


Ziggy Strange

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya? lol..moving on..

reply to post by dragonseeker


D - You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya? lol..moving on..


Z - Never said I was. But I know when I've just been bent over. You apparently subscribe to the Ostrich strategy. Good luck, but it's always advisable to poke your head out every so often. You know, just in case something is about to eat you.

So long Einstein.

Ziggy Strange

Originally posted by Misoir

There is no recourse now, even if we wanted to do something we would be stopped by corporations and their crooney's. It's over, kiss your arse good-bye. Can anyone say Work-Camp?

I disagree. We have a last chance. We need to petition for a Constitutional amendment forbidding the granting of rights to non living beings, or non-humans, or some wording like that. If we give up now, we are ruined.

And, we need to put aside all of our gender, race, religious and left/right wing bickering for a while and pull together on this. This is more important to our country than any other thing, even the bailout. We could literally lose America with this decision.

Dont be dumb people. Stop the fighting amongst ourselves and get everyone you know to begin petitioning and protesting. We have long had an imperfect Democracy. This is the end of Democracy all together. We should have done this 40 years ago, when this all first began, but we didnt. We have been suckers for every divisive tactic they have thrown our way.

This time, right now, it needs to change. We need to be ONE people, united, to stand up and save our country.

Edit to add; it actually began more than 40 years ago, but that is approximately when the two party system was bought and paid for with no hope of a third non-corporate party getting a fair hearing by the public.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]