Nixon Too Drunk

Here is an interesting story from CNN that tells of Nixon being too drunk to discuss the Arab-Israeli 1973 war with the UK Prime Minister.

Someone get him some coffee!!!

Really gives me faith in our leaders......

All I've got to say is "they" have losts of nerve.
Remeber when the Oliver Stone movie NIXON came out and they made a big deal about how he didn't overindulge?
And, now it's coming out to be true???

I wonder if Nixon ever passed out from choking on a pretzel?

If our troops can't drink in Iraq....then why not cut off our elected officials?

``Can we tell them no?'' Kissinger asked his assistant, Brent Scowcroft, who had told him of the urgent request. ``When I talked to the president, he was loaded.''

loaded. That could refer to anything, not just the bottle. Please note, I am by no means a Nixon fan, I wish he would have stayed in office so he could have been impeached, thrown out of office, and humiliated, but just saying someone is loaded could refer to a workload. We'd have to analyze how Kissinger refered to various things before we could draw the opinion that Nixon was drunk, and that was the kind of loaded Kissinger was talking about.

I guess been a president will bring you to the edge so they either do drugs with a antidepresant label, alcohol, or sex.

Originally posted by junglejake
We'd have to analyze how Kissinger refered to various things before we could draw the opinion that Nixon was drunk, and that was the kind of loaded Kissinger was talking about.

That is a good point. But I tend to lean towards the drinking explanation. But who knows?

I know for a fact that Lyndon B. used to drink heavily. I know a retired NYPD cop who told me he was personally assigned to Johnson for a speech at a NY hotel in the mid-sixties. He said that he, his partner and two secret service agents were behind a curtain that was behind Johnson while Johnson gave the speech. He went on to say that Johnson had an "ice tea" drink to quench his thirst. The only difference was that only half of the "drink" was ice-tea, the other half was Jim Bean. The cop said that Johnson would hand the glass through the curtain when it got low and the secret service agent would prepare another "ice-tea"....and pass it back to Johnson through the curtain.

No big deal? Right? A little cocktail to steady your nerves while giving a speech?
Well, he told me by the end of the speech, Johnson had gone through more than half the bottle of Jim Bean and was still pretty together. The two, then rookie cops were impressed......

Originally posted by Facefirst
I wonder if Nixon ever passed out from choking on a pretzel?

If our troops can't drink in Iraq....then why not cut off our elected officials?

Our troops really can't drink in Iraq? Dang, so much for my hopes of joining the military.

Nixon embraced the fruit of the vine, a man after my own heart. The oft mentioned anecdote:

"What really shook me up as an old hippie was that I now felt a certain kinship with Richard Nixon, who would serve his guests domestic wine while he was drinking Chateau Margaux out of a napkin-wrapped bottle. Tricky Dickie seemed somehow more human to me after that."

Break out the cheap booze for my new friends. So he had a taste for Claret, better than some fat Arkansas redneck slob's preference for cheap beer.

alot of people have been drunk alot of times, does that proove that much... besides that the US isn't the greatest administration.

Originally posted by cma
alot of people have been drunk alot of times, does that proove that much... besides that the US isn't the greatest administration.

But most people do not have access to "the button" and other very heavy, important responsibilities.
If our troops can't drink in Iraq because of their responsibilities, then why not swear our Presidents and VPs to sobriety for the duration of their terms? I mean, being president is not like any other job. Who would want a hung-over or $h*tfaced President suddenly facing a national crisis?

*hmmmm..... aliens landed on the front lawn of the Whitehouse and the President is drunk?*
*Or we have a possible Nuke crisis and the President is too hung-over to function at 100%?*

Just a thought

Originally posted by Facefirst
But most people do not have access to "the button" and other very heavy, important responsibilities.

No buttons, except on his shirt, the POTUS (President Of The United States) uses "The Football" to initiate a Nuclear Weapons Strike, and any other heavy responsibilities, late night pizza delivery, 1-900 calls (Bill's watch), time and temp.

Originally posted by Mirthful Me

Originally posted by Facefirst
But most people do not have access to "the button" and other very heavy, important responsibilities.

No buttons, except on his shirt, the POTUS (President Of The United States) uses "The Football" to initiate a Nuclear Weapons Strike, and any other heavy responsibilities, late night pizza delivery, 1-900 calls (Bill's watch), time and temp.

But I also pointed out crisis posibilities. A hypothetical: What if NK finally decides to lob one our way and the President is inebriated?

I really think that if they have the nerve to not let our troops have a beer after a hard day in Bagdad, then maybe we should ask the same of them.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Facefirst]

Originally posted by Facefirst
[But I also pointed out crisis posibilities. A hypothetical: What if NK finally decides to lob one our way and the President is inebriated?

I really think that if they have the nerve to not let our troops have a beer after a hard day in Bagdad, then maybe we should ask the same of them.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Facefirst]

First one is easy George W. doesn�t drink, but let say a couple of old college buddies from the Skull & Bones come over, and George falls back into his old ways? Well there is this thing called a chain of command (Government/military minds, always thinking of the details),

George W: Dick C, this is George, me and a couple of old school chums are gonna get hammered tonight, I'm sending the "Football" over to your place so we don't play "Which country that pisses me off can be best illuminated at night by thermo-nuclear blasts?" besides the last time Condi and I did that whole "beer bong thing" the launch codes got smeared and Rummy had a heart attack.

Dick C: Sure thing George, but if Halliburton calls and wants some competing oil fields eliminated will you back me on the "accident"?

George W: Sure Dick, light em' up, I'm going too! (chuckle... click)

As to the troops in Iraq not being allowed to consume alcohol; it's in deference to the Muslim faith's intolerance to consumption of such beverages, unless of course you're going to fly a jetliner into a building the next day, then it's time to call room service, and have them bring the entire bar up here... and shouldn't all those hookers be here by now?

If you are a Liberal and/or hate George W. you may be laughing right now, my parody of the current Administration is nothing compared to the ACTUAL lies, deceit, murder, rape, and treason that was committed by the previous Administration (Billary Clinton & fellow felons, for those that have Post Traumatic Stress Related Amnesia).


[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by Mirthful Me


As to the troops in Iraq not being allowed to consume alcohol; it's in deference to the Muslim faith's intolerance to consumption of such beverages, unless of course you're going to fly a jetliner into a building the next day, then it's time to call room service, and have them bring the entire bar up here... and shouldn't all those hookers be here by now?

If you are a Liberal and/or hate George W. you may be laughing right now, my parody of the current Administration is nothing compared to the ACTUAL lies, deceit, murder, rape, and treason that was committed by the previous Administration (Billary Clinton & fellow felons, for those that have Post Traumatic Stress Related Amnesia).


[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Mirthful Me]

Actually, I am not a liberal and not a fan of Junior. Treason from the last administration? Hmmm, 8 years of relative peace and a roaring economy? Impeach him for messing around with an intern! Treason? I don't like either party, but I will take the lesser of the two evils. My vote is going to Kerry. Stop listening to Rush.

The troops in Iraq are for the most part, not drinking not because of Muslim laws. In Saudi Arabia they were. My brother is in Iraq and I know he would love to have a beer after having been in 115 degree heat all day while wearing full gear. I know someone who used to do alot of business in Saudi Arabia back in the 70's and 80's and he and other foreign businessmen used to pool together money to get "illegal" items. Do you know where they would get their booze, banned magazines and other contraband from? Bagdad.

Also, I was saying that ALL presidents should not drink. Being President is a full-time job. 24 hours a day. Trouble and emergencies can happen at any time. 911 comes to mind.

Eight years of peace? World Trade Center bombing, Ruby Ridge, Khobar Towers bombing, Waco, Mogadishu, U.S.S. Cole bombing, Kenya and Tanzania U.S. embassy bombings, get the picture?

Treason? The pipelining of technology to China. Satellite, missile, navigation, technologies were handed to China on a silver platter. Lets see, the W88, the finest multi-stage MIRV ever developed, a level of accuracy, compactness, and yield, the rest of the world was going to take years to get to this level of warhead development. Now there are copies with "Made in China" stamped on the bottom pointed at us (U.S.). This relegates us to a "hope they don't have that quality thing down yet" attitude; yes treason FF, treason at the highest level.

As to the booze issue, during eight years in the Navy, I spent a considerable amount of time deployed (as a Corpsman attached to a Marine Unit) in places (the Middle East before it was fashionable) where we could not consume alcohol. We got over it as soon as we got out of there.

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Eight years of peace? World Trade Center bombing, Ruby Ridge, Khobar Towers bombing, Waco, Mogadishu, U.S.S. Cole bombing, Kenya and Tanzania U.S. embassy bombings, get the picture?

I do get the picture. I said relative peace in my original post. All kinds of attacks happen during all Presidents watches. Somalia was instigated by Bush Sr originally. He was the one that sent our troops there. Clinton was handed that situation from the departing Bush Sr administration as Kerry probably is going to be handed Iraq.

As far as giving out technology, yes I do agree there.

Bush Sr. did send troops to Somalia, but because of a request by the U.N. Lesson learned I hope. As to Kerry having to deal with the troops, only if it's a Girl scout Troop in Massachusetts.

MM, good post, as usual, but may I had to Billary's shortcomings missing the capture and/or death of Osama bin Laden three or four times. Surely not stellar moments in his less than stellar presidency. Also, he gets little creidt for the economy--that goes to Mr Greenspan, techonolgy and lots of stockholders.