NASA Images Large Spherical Objects Inside Corona of SUN

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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
Jpg compression errors my arse! I have worked with renders and graphic software for years and I have seen hundreds of errors, But nothing like that!

With modern computers and software compression errors should be rare event.So what is NASA using to process there images a "commodore 64 and delux paint!"

[edit on 28-1-2010 by MOTT the HOOPLE]

It's easy to spot the pretenders. They start off with feigned incredulity and swear words, and then claim to have experience.

Let's just rub this in. Mott the Hoople has "worked with renders and graphic software for years". Yet he isn't aware that image processing, such as sharpening and compression, creates false detail?? He isn't aware that compression, by DEFINITION, alters the original, especially around edges?? He isn't aware that the level of compression is entirely up to the person/software doing the compression, and that high levels of compression (and the resulting poor quality) may be used where other constraints (eg slow data transmission, file size) are important?? Obviously he hasn't done any video on a mobile phone.. He isn't aware that JPEG compression produce false detail around edges with high contrast, and doesn't understand the characteristic blocky appearance that highly compressed jpeg files have??

Yep, he's got lots of useful experience. May I quote him:

"My arse"

Here's a quick example of what happens with quite routine processing - took me all of 5 minutes. NOTE - as above, I don't know exactly what routines NASA uses, so this was just a WAG. It is by no means intended to match the quality of those initial images. It just gives an example of the effects, using the same sort of processes used on the low-res images.

outdoors.webshots.com...

Click on it to get to the full-screen version, then you may need to click again to see it at 100%. Feel free to save it to your machine and view it at huge, meaningless magnifications.

Note the blocky appearance. Note the haloing around the bright spots. Note the weird patterns that appear around any high contrast areas. Mott the Hoople and other 'experts' have never seen this. They need to get out more...

Would you like to VERIFY that these effects are inevitable using similar processing to NASA?

Well, here's how to do it, step by step. FTR, I used XnView (freeware) to do all the processing.

1. Load the original file, namely: 20100118_053530_n4euB_195.jpg

2. Increase brightness (I used 22)

3. Increase contrast (I used 32)

4. Reduce image size to 512 pixels using the bilinear algorithm (this roughly corresponds to the 'pixel binning' reduction that nasa uses for the initial streamed files)

5. Use 'Focus Restoration' to (over)sharpen.

6. Enlarge image to 1024 pixels (nasa resizes the streamed files (don't ask me why))


So there's an example. No, it doesn't match the NASA one exactly as I don't have their software or specifications. Someone with more patience than me, might wish to try other settings to better match the initial files. But it does show all the effects that these so-called experts say can't happen, and you can verify this for yourself.


Now after all this, you are of course perfectly entitled to still think there are huge spheres out there. And I'm sure there will be new images that can be similarly misinterpreted by those without a shred of imaging knowledge and with the motivation to believe that it is something unexplainable. It must feel wonderful to believe that you have made a huge discovery that all of us fools didn't spot...

This is a great video of a possible explanation of the phenomena. I have followed Nassim Harameins work for a while, and many things he says make sense to me.

Earth Sized Ufo's Using The Sun As A Stargate

Link to Examiner article

reply to post by MOTT the HOOPLE


It is NOT a compression "error". There is no "error". It's just a compression "artifact".

They used a lossy compression meaning some information is lost. It's not an error, that is how it is designed to work.

With lossy compression they "approximate" the colors, so some colors are changed and it creates weird artifacts. They are not errors, they are just side effects.

en.wikipedia.org...

"An approximation (usually represented by the symbol ≈) is an inexact representation of something that is still close enough to be useful."

Inexact representation....

Originally posted by CHRLZ
1. Load the original file, namely: 20100118_053530_n4euB_195.jpg

2. Increase brightness (I used 22)

3. Increase contrast (I used 32)

4. Reduce image size to 512 pixels using the bilinear algorithm (this roughly corresponds to the 'pixel binning' reduction that nasa uses for the initial streamed files)

5. Use 'Focus Restoration' to (over)sharpen.

6. Enlarge image to 1024 pixels (nasa resizes the streamed files (don't ask me why))

Sure CHRLZ I will do as you ask.but for some strange reason NASA in it's infinite wisdom has taken down the pics of it's web site!

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They did that because a large group of people fooled another large group of people into thinking there was pictures of earth sized objects next to the sun, so everyone and their mom is hot-linking the images on their web pages and forums causing NASA's server bandwidth to skyrocket, and the servers start bogging down.

Taking the images down makes all the hotlinks turn into dead links so their server bandwidth is saved.

It pretty much happens every time someone claims the Sun is ejecting solar flares that is going to destroy Earth. Everyone and their mom starts linking to NASA images and NASA is forced to remove the images to save their server from becoming too busy. Then everyone freaks out... and conspiracies are made.

Wash, rinse, and repeat.

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NASA running out of bandwidth that's a new one! Can't argue with that.

It would be really nice to know what they were wouldn't it?

Were they simply explainable errors in the imaging process or actual spherical objects around the sun?

The truth is it could be either as NASA certainly live up their acronym of "Never A Straight Answer" and been caught out before so we can't take their word and then on the other side there is always perspective and seeing what you want to see.

What I do find suspicious is how after these sphere's, bubbles, flying saucers or whatever they are around the sun on the NASA image were posted around the web with lots of questions from the public about what they are, that they would then delete the images from their server and replace them with edited versions leaving yet more questions.

Then when you look at the other images Imagir posted it's clear to see the mindset at NASA, I mean come on, there is no reason to black square anything other than to block it from view, so for whatever reason it is there's no question that NASA are hiding something.

Still non the wiser on what those things are in the images, although I sway to it being an anomaly rather than objects around the sun as when it comes an image like this at these specs taken of such a diverse object like the sun, I'm no expert but expect there will be problems with false attributes to the image, of course with NASA IMO being less than honest about these things we'll never know for sure unless a 100% proof positive analysis of the images can be given.

check the time code numbers......

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reply to post by MOTT the HOOPLE


...I knew you were going to say that... that's what everyone says.

You got a lot of learning to do...

Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE

Sure CHRLZ I will do as you ask.but for some strange reason NASA in it's infinite wisdom has taken down the pics of it's web site!

Aw, diddums. I guess you didn't keep a saved copy? Didn't see the links to other saved copies and youtube videos? Hint - try pages 2,3 for a start - are you blind? Can I also get you an icy drink, perhaps some aperitifs? Need your nose wiped?

If it's just the new high-resolution images you are referring to, go to:
stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov...

Then click on Daily Images. Scroll backwards (oh look, you can jump back a whole week to make it easier) to the desired date.

Then go find the 2048 pixel image (Stereo B) with the matching date/time stamp. I just checked for the one I used - 18 Jan 053530. It's there. I'm not giving you a direct link - perhaps that might encourage you to actually get off your arse and do some work.


So, I guess 'Research' is not your first language? Can't be bothered to read the whole thread?

Originally posted by lifttheveil
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What I do find suspicious is how after these sphere's, bubbles, flying saucers or whatever they are around the sun on the NASA image were posted around the web with lots of questions from the public about what they are, that they would then delete the images from their server and replace them with edited versions leaving yet more questions.

How many flippin' times do we have to repeat this? Did you not read the thread? Not bother to read NASA's notes on how the image archive works? It's been repeated MULTIPLE times, and WELL BEFORE the images were replaced.

The initial images are low-res, highly enhanced, highly compressed, streamed 'thumbnails'. NASA admits (and always have) that they are of very low quality and contain compression and enhancement artefacts.

As time progress, the full data stream is received by NASA, giving them the high resolution raw images. But the high-res images contain other data errors from damaged or maladjusted pixels, so before they post them, they do what is called dark frame subtraction using test frames taken before and after the actual images. This is a common technique used in low-light and astro-photography. They also apply much better processing to enhance the details without the horrid artefacts.

This all takes time - some of the dark-frame calibration images are not taken until a few days after the actual image upon which they will be used.

Finally, and this varies from a few days to a few weeks, the low-res images are automatically replaced with the much better versions. This always happens and will continue to happen. Anyone who truly knew what they were talking about and understood how Stereo worked, would know this. I pointed it out very early on in this thread - well before the images were replaced.

As for the original crappy images no longer being available at NASA, there are plenty of saved copies, youtube videos, cropped examples and links thereto on this thread.

[tinfoilhat sarcasm]
Apparently NASAs death squads haven't been able to track them all down..
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Watch out CHRLZ...they'll be coming for you!

NASA Next plausible explanation probably fly sh!t on the ccd chip?

Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
NASA Next plausible explanation probably fly sh!t on the ccd chip?

I see you're now not even pretending to have a clue...

It suits you.

Look, the orbs are almost earth sized. They look artificial! They are not compression artifacts or they would not have censored them with black boxes!!!!!!!

Also, why are they not combusting or melting so close to the sun? Does this mean the electric sun theory is possibly correct and that heat is generated in atmospheres?

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nice video. very interesting. It's funny that there have been a few of these "sun grazing comets" in the news recently on Space Weather.com etc.

More 'spheres' on the most recent images, eg:

stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov...

10:00 and 2:00.

Gosh. Anyone would think they are actually quite common, and that they really might be enhancement/compression artefacts.

I offer a challenge to those who believe these are planet-sized 'things'.

SAVE that low-res image. Or any other of the new ones that show the artefacts.

Check it again after about a week, and as soon as it is replaced by the high-resolution version, check it against your saved low-res original. You will be able to see the high-energy particle strike/s that caused the artefact/s. Do the strikes look planet-sized in the high-res version, or do they just look like one or two pixels that have lit up?

Then by all means try the processing steps I suggested in my post above, and try varying them to see how close you can get to the low-res version.



Or, alternatively, you can run around in circles and yell "The Sky is Falling" - it's much easier...

I have just been off work a couple of days, while I was off I had company down from Tennessee, my friend was showing my a picture that they had taken with her cellphone, they were taking a picture of something else entirely but what it shows are a large sphere to the left of the sun, it is amazing looking! Not a sun dog that is for sure. I do wish I could have her email me the pic so I could post it, but she doesn't have a service to do it on her cell.

Very cool pictures though, I am going back now to read responses to this thread.

reply to post by Unity_99


They look artificial to me.
Why do the aliens have to get so close? What is going on?
Clearly, they have some kick ass heat shielding technology.
Please tell me they are not preparing to direct a huge
solar flare directly at the Earth.
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Stand back and think of the Earth orbiting our sun.
What are the odds a huge solar flare would make a direct hit
on Earth?
Maybe we are at war with an alien race and THIS is their way of
destroying the population? Let the solar flare do all the work
for them!!!

I'm flying to Denver International Airport and requesting an
underground bunker. How much are they?


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