Middle East on fire

reply to post by backinblack


You laugh because it's from Debka?
Oh, and PressTV which you rely on whenever you see fit is any better?

Don't be a hypocrite.. And don't troll, it's disgusting.

At any rate I said it's unconfirmed, and I meant it's unconfirmed, but if this is true this is crucial, so I just don't see the problem with posting this.

reply to post by nickoli


You're right, I'm tired of dealing with you myself. I have and will continue to just report your posts to moderators. You can deal with them.

Good day.

Twitter updates:

AJELive: The mood in Tahrir Square is "fatalistic" with anti-government protesters certain pro-Mubarak forces are "there to eliminate them"

IvanCNN: Opposition's getting restless again. Whistling and cheering and clanging makeshift weapons. Apparently mobilizing to defensive positions.

AJELive: AJE Web producer: Tension is rising at Kasr al Nil entrance to Tahrir Square. Anti-government protesters expect an attack here.

SarahKaram1: Friend in Tahrir telling us of they are being shot at. We left Tahrir last night, they wouldn't come with us.

reply to post by Eliad


I have to agree with you. I mean, if we're posting Twitter updates side by side with CNN and AJE news, we should really just assume that every bit of information needs to be taken with a grain of salt and wait for confirmations from other sources. But just because the source is sketchy to one person doesn't mean it deserves to be discounted out of hand.

Originally posted by Eliad
reply to post by backinblack

 

You laugh because it's from Debka?
Oh, and PressTV which you rely on whenever you see fit is any better?

Don't be a hypocrite.. And don't troll, it's disgusting.

At any rate I said it's unconfirmed, and I meant it's unconfirmed, but if this is true this is crucial, so I just don't see the problem with posting this.

I'm a hypocrite and a troll huh?
Says you....

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyways:

occupiedcairo: central security now shooting live bullets against protestors. People dying

richardengelnbc: #egypt.. Just saw a protester hit by a molotov .. Saw him catch on fire.. Other protesters managed to put him out..

If the government and/or pro-government forces act with excessive brutality, would this not trigger a more wide-spread "backlash" amoung the general populace Against the government?

The end effect may very well prove to be recursive; what started in Tunisia did not "catch fire" (pardon the pun) until the majority of the rank and file population felt that there was nothing left to loose. Now, in Egypt, a massive effort to suppress the people may ignite rebellion in the hearts of those currently sitting out the turmoil.

If they join the revolt, the government will be forced to capitulate, or ignite a civil war.

And that fire, starting as it will in "Mother Egypt", will not burn out until the entire region is awash in flame.

reply to post by 00nunya00


We'll know in a few hours- if it's true then we'd know what was behind it, if it's false then no harm done.

reply to post by backinblack


Yes, these short, substance-less, rude posts which add nothing to the discussion but an atmosphere of disrespect and immaturity are textbook examples of trolling. And then there's also your prefound use of the "lol" smiley..
If you know the source, and you see it's missing- Post it, don't go around insinuating that I'm "hiding the source" to make it seem more credible.
Really, just grow up, this is getting old.

reply to post by Bhadhidar


The real question is *if* this does turn into a "civil war", what form will it take?

These people are just civilians, like you and me, they have no weapons, no foreign funding, and if the army, or police, decide to regard them as enemies, they'd just be chopped down.

So then what? The world intervenes? Do they resort to guerrilla warfare?

This could turn a thousand different ways, each and every one of them ugly.

reply to post by Eliad

Yes, these short, substance-less, rude posts which add nothing to the discussion but an atmosphere of disrespect and immaturity are textbook examples of trolling. And then there's also your prefound use of the "lol" smiley..

Mate, YOU posted the rude name calling stuff..That's pretty darn childish..
Anyways enough BS, talk to the hand..

Something big is about to go down, y'all:

bencnn: Continued gunfire from #Tahrir #jan25 #Egypt (26 seconds ago from web)

evanchill: Automatic heavy caliber gunfire 75 meters or so away, army likely keeping people at bay. So much gunfire

AJELive: Photographer Iason Athanasiadis tells AJE that Tahrir Square is filled with a "sense of doom" with Tuesday's air of jubliation gone

RamyRaoof: we just knew that one of the demonstrators just died from live bullet shot by the NDP thugs here in Tahrir Square.

IvanCNN: Half dozen+ rounds of gunfire very close to Tahrir square.

bencnn: Tanks in front of State TV revving up sudden activity, two ambulances passing by lots of gunfire from #Tahrir

AJELive: AJE correspondent: Mubarak supporters are gathering at one end of bridge, seemingly organising for some sort of action

bencnn: It's now 4 AM and onslaught in #Tahrir continues uninterrupted, unimpeded. If this isn't state-sponsored, what is it exactly?

reply to post by Eliad


Exactly. There are no clear leaders right now, no one to step in and take control of the chaos even if they throw Mubarak out right now. Chaos will continue at this point, because now it's turned from peaceful and organized to violent and chaotic. That's hard to quell once it catches fire.

Breaking!

Automatic gunfire at the Tahrir square - several wounded.

One protester killed in shooting in Cairo's Tahrir Square: Al Arabiya TV

www.reuters.com...

Mubarak supporters open fire at demonstrators in Cairo

(Reuters) - Supporters loyal to President Hosni Mubarak opened fire at anti-government protesters in Tahrir square in Cairo on Thursday, wounding seven, a witness said.

reply to post by Eliad


Agreed. A thousand ways, and most of them more frightening than the other.

Would Israel support Mubarak's "crony-filled" replacement government? Against the will of the majority of Egypt's populace? Would Arabs in the rest of the region condone , or condemn a mass civil uprising in Egypt?

The US, has, in the past always supported the "Strong Man" government over the "popular-ist" government (Corizon Aquino's Phillipine "People's Revolution" being a possible exception); but that strategy, in this circumstance, is fraught with both long and short term risks no one cares to face.

I am just praying for Peace and hoping for the best possible outcome.

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by Eliad

 

Exactly. There are no clear leaders right now, no one to step in and take control of the chaos even if they throw Mubarak out right now. Chaos will continue at this point, because now it's turned from peaceful and organized to violent and chaotic. That's hard to quell once it catches fire.

The military needs to step up and take control until new elections can be arranged..

bencnn: Soldiers searching, checking IDS of people coming from #Tahrir. Man approaching, sees, turns around.

evanchill: Victorious anti government protesters begin washing pro mubarak graffiti off the statues in the former no mans land

bencnn: What appear to be pro-Mubarak people are heading back up Corniche toward State TV...some appear agitated.

bencnn: Report from CNN's Tommy Evans says #Tahrir Sq. is full of wounded.

bencnn: Some of wounded in #Tahrir appear very badly wounded, more than medics can handle, according 2 CNN's Tommy Evans who is there.

AJELive: Salma Eltarzi, anti-Mubarak protester, tells AJE that protesters at Tahrir Square are "too tired to be terrified"

Effing-A, dude!:

bencnn: Witness in #Tahrir says pro-democracy people being shot at from rooftops, several dead.

AJELive: AJE correspondents report that anti-government protesters have chased Mubarak supporters off the October bridge

IvanCNN: Opposition activists carried away at least half dozen wounded after rounds of gunfire. One bleeding from stomach, apparent gunshot wound.

ircpresident: Egypt death toll now tops toll for Iran protests, which US and West widely condemned as an atrocity

More news coming up....

This thread isn't just a ticker of news flashes- We *all* give our opinions and commentary, and have been ever since this thread was called "Will Israel attack Lebanon" or something to that extant.

Yes it was named that because I thought, as the Israeli officials said several times, that they would not let Hezbollah take over Lebanon and let Iran get away with their nuclear program... well they have done so. So silly me for believing Israeli officials and their rhetoric.

Ah, so now you decide who lives and who dies according to what you believe to be right? That's a dangerous road to go down..

Well the security forces are using WHITE PHOSPEROUS WEAPONS against peaceful protesters! You know what that does to you? It burns through your skin... and if you don't know about it, it burns... and if you pour water on it, it gets WORSE... then the only way to stop the pain is to amputate if you don't have the special chemical to counter the phospherous!

So please, we're not talking about ideology here, we're talking about thugs attacking peaceful, unarmed people with CHEMICAL WEAPONS, not to mention molotov cocktails and machetes!

Pro-Mubarak rioters are now driving a bus intoa crowd of anti-government protesters in Tahrir. #egypt

I saw that live... it was at around 11AM EST.

Are we talking about a global-Jihad, followed by another Islamic Caliphate?

Dude... stop watching Fox News...

You laugh because it's from Debka?

Well yeah. Debka makes stuff up all the time. Presstv reports real news most of the time but often make up a bunch of them, but the main thing they do is SPIN, but the news are real since they are reported by many other sources.

Debka is just making stuff up 99% of the time, it's never confirmed by anyone... I know, I've read debka and presstv for what... 6+ years... and Debka never reported something that was true...maybe once, presstv reported several things that weren't true either but at a much lower rate then debka.

And for my thread, I've used mainly HAARETZ news ticker since it began. I would say 60%+ of the news in this thread are from Haaretz ticker...so... yeah.

Egypt official: White House demands on Mubarak are contradictory (AP)

Indeed they are... a few days ago/hours ago... Mubarak and Suleiman must lead the transition... then a few hours ago... Mubarak must step down now...

Clinton tells Egypt's new VP to probe violence in most recent clashes (AP)

Is she freaking serious? What's next... US government probing 9/11... oh wait...

US: Muslim Brotherhood could play role in Egypt (AP)

Well yeah they represent what... 10-15% of the Egyptians?

Clinton stresses to Egypt's Suleiman: Transition must begin now (Reuters)

U.S.: Mubarak handling of crisis will show exactly who he is (News Agencies)

Are you kidding?

Egyptian government: 600 hurt in Wednesday clashes (News Agencies)

Way higher than that. Still no mentions of the kills uh?

Israeli journalists released from Egypt after arrested for carrying tourist visa (Haaretz)

+1

Netanyahu: There is risk that instability in Egypt could last for years (News Agencies)

Probably.

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V, I've been watching Al Jazeera not Faux News. It's just a really bad feeling I've had for a long time, and this makes it worse. I won't get into it but where this is all going is very frightening to me. You're worried about the protestors, I know, but they have chosen their fight. I'm just worried about where this fire might spread after these people are defeated through force, or they succeed through civil war.

Sounds like a massacre in Tahrir Square. 10:30 EST

listen to a desperate woman. massacre live.
english.aljazeera.net...