Middle East on fire

reply to post by Vitchilo

A Palestinian man was shot Sunday morning by Israeli soldiers while collecting gravel in northern Gaza.

Really? Vitch? Obvious anti Israel prop... First of all.. Who collects gravel? 2nd who collects gravel in a militarized zone? (knowing the current issue with IED's)

Is there a shortage of gravel in Gaza, that I have not heard of?

reply to post by rationaluser


What helo are you talking about? Which poster? Did he link it? I want to see it, is why I am asking.

Hum,Oil Brent at 99.90 currently

Edit: The 100 Mark is breached...lets see if it stays there today

reply to post by Resurrectio


Dude, try Google. Gravel is used in construction, for mixing with concrete and for laying ground foundation (to level the dirt and provide a more stable base for the foundation). These people are collecting gravel in a dangerous area BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WORK FOR THEM, ANYWHERE. That's because of Israel.

Here's a PDF of some children who have been injured intentionally by Israel while collecting gravel over the years. They continue to take the risk of collecting it BECAUSE THEY ARE STARVING.

Originally posted by Eliad

because when you say nothing against the atrocities, and you see them, that means you approve of them.

That's a load of simplistic bull.. Israel has the most to lose out of speaking up in this matter, even if it disapproves of Mubarak it can't speak up against him or it might lose the peace treaty if he stays in control.

Wow, that rings a bell. I believe that's what we in the US were saying about Hitler up until we were dragged into WW2 kicking and screaming. Good thing we got bombed by Japan and finally woke up and started fighting back against the atrocities of Nazi Germany, at the risk of our nation's peace and security, before it was too late for the Jewish people, eh?

reply to post by 00nunya00


So... I googled it like I was told to, in such an arrogant prickish way.. Seems I stand corrected, and when Vitch replies to my U2U .. I will tell HIM I was wrong.. They really do go near the border to collect gravel.


Gravel is one item that Israel DOES allow to enter Gaza... Also, what about the destroyed buildings?? Couldn't they crush up the concrete to form the gravel? Seems safer than playing froger with IDF snipers!

S_T_U_P_I_D!!!!!! Are you telling me that the only gravel is on the border? Or is it the easiest and fastest to get? Heck... If you don't want to get sniped, don't go where the snipers are ... right? Makes sense right?

I guess I am just in defence mode for the US and Israel.. Somehow, someway... we got drug into this Egypt mess like we caused it..

You hear people talking about how the US and Israel have turned it's back on the atrocities perpetrated by the Egyptian Govt. THAT IS BS!!! Please show me the international out cry for human rights in Egypt, prior to this uprising? Where was the blame 6 months ago? Surely if it was such a hot topic it would be all over ATS, pointing the finger at the "Zionists and it's puppet, the US" right?

If a country is an Ally with Israel and America, and something bad happens in that country, the US and Israel are blamed for it. Period!

Why can't you people just say it? Thousands of years ago, Muslim countries had Christians and Jews to blame for all of their problems.... It has become frowned upon to blame a religion. Seems like a simple solution to blame the country.. Christians = USA ... Israel = Jews... Say what ever you want..

What is phenomenal, and cherished by the Muslims, is the willingness of the world majority, to "fight for the little guy". So all the Muslims have to do, is keep being viewed as the "little guy." While you are protecting their rights and freedoms, they are amused at the support from non muslims, that if air dropped in their neighborhoods, would be stoned to death or beheaded! How many missionaries and journalists need to be beheaded before people will see Islam for the filthy violent religion it is??

I'll bet the bank that there will be countless foreigners killed in this mess, simply for being foreign or non muslim.

Another thing I find funny, is all of you damn liars!!!!! You come on here and talk about, how you don't want war or violence.... Liars!!! The reason these threads get the overwhelming attention they do is, Its exciting, and you love it!!

You will lie and call it concern and the want for "peace"... Your lying!! There is an excitement in the thought of WW3, and you know it! You can read the excitement in the posts... You can feel the expectation for "the worst" in each and every post.

Don't get me wrong... some of you are here to simply inform the masses and get new information, but that group is very very small!

reply to post by Resurrectio


PROTIP gravel=/= ground up cement

2nd line for awesomeness

reply to post by Resurrectio

Really? Vitch? Obvious anti Israel prop... First of all.. Who collects gravel? 2nd who collects gravel in a militarized zone? (knowing the current issue with IED's)

It's frekin Palistines land..!!!!

If Israel sees the need for a militarized zone then fine, put another fence 300 meters back inside THEIR land...

reply to post by backinblack


OK!!! I get it! But, before you send f'ing kids in there, get that issue worked out. Having 20 lions in your backyard is illegal in Michigan. But, that back yard has the only supply of food in the neighborhood... Do you.... A) go in to get the food anyways... OR.... B) get the legality of the lions worked out before getting the food?

Seems logical to me... I wish things were different there.. I really do. But, for christ sakes!!!!! Israel engaging in illegal acts, is no excuse for being a complete idiot!

reply to post by Resurrectio

Seems logical to me... I wish things were different there.. I really do. But, for christ sakes!!!!! Israel engaging in illegal acts, is no excuse for being a complete idiot!

True, international laws do NOT apply to Israel..
Israel makes the law up as they move along

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

So... I googled it like I was told to, in such an arrogant prickish way..

I haven't even read the rest of this post yet, but I had to address this:

You, my friend, fired the first shot:

Really? Vitch? Obvious anti Israel prop

As you are in defense mode for Israel, I am in defense mode for Vitchilo. He has put a LOT of work into this thread, and has been paying attention to this situation FAR more deeply and FAR longer than ANY of the rest of us on this forum. He deserves a lot more respect than that in this thread, which he keeps up every day, and shouldn't be treated like he's a shill or a hypocrite. Take the time to read the whole thread, and you will see he is no shill for anyone. I take offense at him being treated condescendingly and insultingly. Sorry.

I will read the rest of your post now.

ETA: the rest of your post is just obviously anti-Muslim and opinion. That's fine, but this isn't really the place to debate why the US and Israel is getting its feelings hurt. There's plenty of other threads for that:
Why is everything the fault of the jews?
Does Anyone Actually Know Why They Hate on Israel?

reply to post by 00nunya00


Not worth an explanation

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

Oh are you Vitchillo? I call him Vitch.. You have a problem with that? Seems you do.. Know your roll kid.. We have a poke back and forth relationship here on ATS... I never even addressed you!

No, he's right..
Vitch has done a great job in this thread updating events as they happen..
You and I both should leave it at that......
Let the thread alone and debate in other threads..

reply to post by backinblack


At least he isn't dangling /Stalking mine!

They continue to take the risk of collecting it BECAUSE THEY ARE STARVING.

Case and point - Someone needs to tell them, eating gravel is bad for you!

reply to post by Resurrectio


Huh? Who's stalking whom?

And I'm going to assume the gravel thing was a joke. Touche, but I just don't think kids getting shot by soldiers playing target practice while the kids try to help feed their families is something to joke about. If Israel let in more than the 4% of building materials needed per year, these kids wouldn't have to be risking their lives collecting gravel, FFS. And their parents wouldn't have to make the awful choice between letting them starve and live in the street or letting them risk their lives collecting a basic resource that Israel has no reason to restrict based on the excuse of "keeping arms materials out of terrorist hands." I've never heard of a gravel gun. If you can explain to me why it's funny that Israel is intentionally keeping these people in poverty and desperation, then we can have a laugh about eating gravel.

Updates from AJZE:

12:15am Al Jazeera correspondents have been tweeting about the near-total media crackdown in Egypy: "There is no internet in Egypt, none at all. Noor was last standing internet provider but it was shut down as well." "Rumors of a coming mobile phone crackdown, which would make sense given tmrw is supposed to be a big march & police are back."
11:37pm Basheer Nafi, a historian, tells Al Jazeera:

"My feeling is that we are witnessing a second wave of the Arab liberation movement ... In the first wave, the Arabs liberated themselves from colonial powers and foreign domiantion. I think now, the very heart of the Arab world, the backbone of the Arab world, is leading the move towards freedom and democracy and human rights."

11:28pm Tariq Ramadan tells Al Jazeera from London that he believes Obama is applying a win-win strategy for Egypt. But he says that the West should be very cautious during the last days of Mubarak's regime. Ramadan summarizes the bottom line of the protest movement: "We are expecting democracy, transparency, and freedom of expression".

11:18pm President Hosni Mubarak is still refusing to step down, amid growing calls for his resignation. Protesters continue to defy the military-imposed curfew. Thousands remain gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square and hundreds have marched through Alexandria. Egyptian State TV has actually changed its stance and is now airing much more video of the protests, as seen in this still image from our broadcast:

9:26pm Protesters remain camped out in Tahrir Square from a variety of political and demographic groups. Despite the insecurity and danger prevalent in Egypt's capital, an Al Jazeera correspondent on the ground says that the sense of community feels like a "giant sleepover in the square in the middle of Cairo".

Resurrectio-

Case and point - Someone needs to tell them, eating gravel is bad for you!

Except for a few items, Israel also prevent Gaza from exporting its goods. Israel should be careful about strangling Gaza's economy, because Israel has to import 99% of its oil. So it is also vulnerable to outside forces.

Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

Gravel is one item that Israel DOES allow to enter Gaza...

Why buy gravel if you can dig it up for free?

Or is it the easiest and fastest to get? Heck... If you don't want to get sniped, don't go where the snipers are ... right? Makes sense right?

Why drive across an area the size of Manhattan to get to a source, when there's one just down the road? And Israel really has no right to be shooting Gazans, period.

I guess I am just in defence mode for the US and Israel..

Funny how often you find yourself rallying to the cause of murderers, Ressurectio.

Somehow, someway... we got drug into this Egypt mess like we caused it..

Picking up a history book doesn't hurt.

Why can't you people just say it? Thousands of years ago, Muslim countries had Christians and Jews to blame for all of their problems.... It has become frowned upon to blame a religion. Seems like a simple solution to blame the country.. Christians = USA ... Israel = Jews... Say what ever you want..

Really. Pick up a history book

Nice!
Army won't use force against protesters

The Egyptian army has said it would not use force against citizens staging protests to force President Hosni Mubarak to step down. In a statement on Monday it said "freedom of expression" was guaranteed to all citizens using peaceful means. It was the first such explicit confirmation by the army that it would not fire at demonstrators who have taken to the streets of Egypt and comes a day before before Tuesday's "march of millions" to mark the seventh day of the protests as anti-government sentiment reaches fever pitch.

"The presence of the army in the streets is for your sake and to ensure your safety and wellbeing. The armed forces will not resort to use of force against our great people," the army statement said.

"Your armed forces, who are aware of the legitimacy of your demands and are keen to assume their responsibility in protecting the nation and the citizens, affirms that freedom of expression through peaceful means is guaranteed to everybody.

Explicit confirmation comes before Tuesday's "march of millions" to force President Hosni Mubarak to step down.

english.aljazeera.net...

Bloc calls for 'peaceful and open dialogue' between government and protesters who have 'legitimate grievances'.

english.aljazeera.net...

Situation is still looking quite bad. I hope this is the last week of turmoil in Egypt, as Mubarak is removed from power.




ETA: Oh, posted the same thing at the same time.