Psychological Projection

reply to post by bsbray11


Yelling the truth at somone could be seen as an insult.

I leave the beliefs of those around me alone for the most part... other that passing comments that are much milder than my words on here. Only those that i believe can survive "the change" do i really latch onto. On here i dont really need to discern the capability to survive, because you all get to go home to your own familys far away from my empathy.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Yelling the truth at somone could be seen as an insult.

Your words were:

sometimes when people yell at and insult others.... its purposefull...

I can't think of an example of someone yelling at and insulting another person unless they are acting purely out of a negative emotional reaction, and there is not much of a purpose there as far as I can see.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Well ,
this is actually a good thread and it will come arround.

It does describe what many of us feel but have not really formated in an orderly way as presented herein.

Our mental/spiritual ways and power though somehow are undermined and that is not a surprise when observing the resulting reality arround us...

I just wish people "projected" more possitively.

It seems that we have caugh ourselves in a negative loop,
one that has started getting uncomfortable on our necks...

It is just so easy to work arround this and be found in a blossoming sunny garden of happy, balanced and more substantial existence and yet we don' t.

Change is easy though As easy as putting a beautifull plant on your desk

With easy actions as this we might suddenly be found in the nice blossoming garden again.

S&F

Originally posted by Skyfloating
How does it apply to us personally?

Interesting psychology topic.

and I think you are right. Those who at least read this thread should think twice the next time they decide to project how their environment is, or how someone else is acting and start with themselves first.

I don't wanna say you can't help it, but sometimes its just feels obvious, and saves the time to assume, "I know me, I'm fine, its them/everything else."

It makes me wonder if when someone tells you that you are mad at them (and you're not) that maybe there is something about you that is actually upsetting them??

[edit on 19-1-2010 by juveous]

My awareness of how Projection works has grown tremendously since frequenting Internet Discussion Forums.

Of Course its so much easier to detect it in others but a real exercise to notice it in oneself. We often lack the Willingness to see it in ourselves.

The best indicator for me Projecting is in emotional arousal - either positive or negative.

Having a crush on someone without knowing anything at all about the online-persona is just as much Projection as posting in fierce anger. Its not good to post online when one is in a bad mood.

reply to post by Wertdagf


Problem being, the "truth" is a subjective thing. Only those who can't see beyond their own boxes think otherwise. Which is most of humanity admittedly.

To someone in denial, every insult or criticism would be "projection" on the part of the insulter. (or some other theory so they could refuse to acknowledge whatever criticism or insult they were hearing.)

Is there any fool proof way to sort someones possible projection from your own possible denial?

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Simple. Don't be a denier. Consider all arguments, give them all their fair shake. Not just the ones that suite you.

[edit on 19-1-2010 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Sure if your a wuss. Just agree with everyone and allow them to rot in their own little bubbles. Soon enough you will see the horrid festering sores that comes with the enabling of delusion.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


If you are truly in denial, would you be able to notice it and apply that technique? It seems that that theory would only work with someone who already was not a denier.

Some people are quite able to look at both sides of an argument and be as objective of their own as the other side. Most arent. They THINK they are considering both sides, they go through the motions of it, but their verdict is already predetermined.

Often times, it seems, that the way people break out of their denial is by constant repeated and vigorous pressure from the outside, (multiple people) who keep insisting on the reality of what is being denied.

However what to do when society, for instance, is in a mass denial of something, and there is little hope of others stepping in and forcing you to recognize what you are denying?

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


The problem with reality is you just never know. And it is worth noticing that generally "deniers" arguments put weight only on the certain things that support their arguments. I have caught myself MULTIPLE times doing that and have corrected it each time. But it should be noted I did not always bother to check myself. All it really takes is a true commitment to finding that illusive thing called "the truth", not just seeking to "be right".
And incidentally, their are "deniers" on ALL SIDES of the spectrum.

reply to post by Wertdagf


No. Taking that stance is silly at best and more than a little self righteous. Yes, even you could be wrong and pretending otherwise, well........... You can figure it out.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I figured looking at Projection isnt too popular around here, but zero replies? Wow

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Skyfloating]

It all makes Perfect sense to me . Thanks for the explaination ......

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


i personaly hope im wrong. There would be alot less suffering in the world.... unfortunately i wont lie to myself about the condition of reality. Thats the differance.

reply to post by Wertdagf


No it isn't. Your expressed hope of being wrong is nothing more than a screen you use to lend yourself legitimacy in your eyes. Unless you have learned to somehow peel back the "backing" of reality and get a glimpse of how EXACTLY the universe works you just don't know. You can have gusto for your beliefs all you wish but don't try to pretend that somehow your ken of reality is somehow above and beyond humankind.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


And you only believe my expressed hope is a screen because you think it lends evidence to your veiws. Its not a screen..... i wouldnt lie to myself or you. You can stand out on imaginary island and say that i cant prove that these things DONT exist but that in and of itself is delusional.

Youll sit and die on that island because you dont want to live in a world were these things dont exist.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

And incidentally, their are "deniers" on ALL SIDES of the spectrum.

Im not quite sure what spectrum you are discussing. Would you mind elaborating a little?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Is there any fool proof way to sort someones possible projection from your own possible denial?

Learning Freudian lingo is more beneficial to refine ones own views and behavior and not necessarily meant to go around passing Judgement on others. However, the more one finds out about ones own Projections and Denial, the easier it is to detect in others. Its not the foggy thing that cant be sorted from Denial.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
However what to do when society, for instance, is in a mass denial of something, and there is little hope of others stepping in and forcing you to recognize what you are denying?

Its not so much of concern what society is or isnt, but to work on my own Denial/Projection rather than - well, projecting stuff onto society!.

At least thats my experience - that society is more easily changed if I change myself first. "Im starting with the man in the mirror"

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
I have caught myself MULTIPLE times doing that and have corrected it each time.

...and in that moment you make the world a better place...