The Militarization of Emergency Aid to Haiti: Is it a Humanitarian Operation or an Invasion?

Originally posted by highlyoriginal
I'm so tired of the US govt. making these type of decisions without properly going through the procedures first, such as actually talking to the government they are supposedly helping before basically raiding it.

Yeah ....OK.

The US is "Raiding" their Government by pumping in Hundreds of millions or more worth of food and medicine. The bodies are not even cold yet. Some say over a few hundred thousand and we are already seeing conspiracies develop. The US Earthquake Machines. Haitian Gold. A base for invading Venezuela....ETC.

Has anybody thought about the millions of hungry and potentially starving people? I can only imagine the Flack the US would be getting from world opinion if we sat back and did nothing.

The Military is the organization best equipped (ships, planes, helicopters, supplies, people) to handle a disaster such as this in an isolated region (in this case, isolated because it is an island)

This is no different then when the U.S. Military sent sent its ships and planes in to help with the Indonesian Tsunami, or when the U.S. Military sent in C-130 cargo planes to Burma after the 2008 Typhoon that killed 150,000 people.

If the military did nothing, there would be people up in arms wondering why the U.S. isn't using its quick-response resources in helping with the disaster aid.

Not everything is a conspiracy folks. Let's not make a tragedy even worse by adding myths and flat out mis-conceptions to the huge undertaking that these military folks are doing.

My wife and I have been taking about this same thing! The USA is on an expansion trip and wants to pacman the world. Why else are they be so slow with the food and water, and help? If we can get most of them to kill each other or get sick and die care then we can roll in and setup a new base and have a new place to take prisoners.

Just watch? there is no way we will depart Haiti, not till there's a Starbucks on most corners.

I hope the Haiti people can go back to what they want, not what the USA will push off on them.

There's no money in Haiti so what else would the USA want, "Land" Location location location.

There's nothing obviously good about Haiti or Dominican Republic. Both are in enormous debt and have zero exports of just about everything with much import.

I can't see what would be so important about this island - except of course securing the sea and/or surrounding islands against some kind of threat to passing ships.

Well, one other obvious thing is that they would completely surround Cuba.

“Marines are definitely warriors first, and that is what the world knows the Marines for,... [but] we’re equally as compassionate when we need to be, and this is a role that we’d like to show -- that compassionate warrior, reaching out with a helping hand for those who need it. We are very excited about this.” (Marines' Spokesman, Marines Embark on Haiti Response Mission, Army Forces Press Services, January 14, 2010)"

The Marines are very excited about this? Is this really an appropriate thing to say about responding to such a massive tragedy? People usually do not get excited about offering aid to the helpless unless there is something in it for them.

For those naive and uninformed enough to think the USA does not want a foothold in Haiti, here is an article which outlines American political involvement in Haiti for only the past 120 years.

www.answers.com...

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
For those naive and uninformed enough to think the USA does not want a foothold in Haiti, here is an article which outlines American political involvement in Haiti for only the past 120 years.

The US wants a foothold EVERYWHERE. Not everything is a conspiracy folks. The US regularly sends disaster recovery supplies and manpower to anywhere in the world that is struck by a natural disaster.

I hear Obama just blinked, maybe there is some hidden meaning behind it.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
For those naive and uninformed enough to think the USA does not want a foothold in Haiti, here is an article which outlines American political involvement in Haiti for only the past 120 years.

The place was a disaster before the earthquake. There is no oil there. It's not strategically important for attacking Venezuela

During the cold war, I could see not wanting the island to go communist and allow Soviet submarine staging.

I'm sure the US govt and military will expend far more money to rebuild the country than will ever be returned decades from now, if ever, from goods and services by having Haiti as a normalized democracy. I don't see any sinister motives with the rapid and expansive military deployment to Haiti.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
The Marines are very excited about this? Is this really an appropriate thing to say about responding to such a massive tragedy? People usually do not get excited about offering aid to the helpless unless there is something in it for them.

Yes, they are excited about this. Wouldn't you if you were offered the chance to go to a country or region that has been destroyed by an earthquake and be able to give food, water, supplies, and the chance to save some lives?

Maybe you wouldn't do anything "unless there was something in it for you", but a lot of people would. My squadron sent three aircraft down there and I'm pissed that I missed the phone call and now I have to wait until I get my chance to help.

Originally posted by godfish
My wife and I have been taking about this same thing! The USA is on an expansion trip and wants to pacman the world. Why else are they be so slow with the food and water, and help?

Slow? Gus, the Carl Vinson was deploying helicopters with supplies to Haiti on 15 Jan, three days after the quake. They were travelling at full steam to get there with the Bataan, a helicopter carrier. Sorry that they weren't travelling fast enough to suit you.

Originally posted by godfish
If we can get most of them to kill each other or get sick and die care then we can roll in and setup a new base and have a new place to take prisoners.

Yeah, that's why we're airlifting in supplies.

Originally posted by godfish
I hope the Haiti people can go back to what they want, not what the USA will push off on them.

You're right. Things were a paradise before the quake.

Can earthquakes be created by man as well as nature? Was DynCorp

International affiliated with the the major player for the U.S. and U.N. in

creating a military base before the Earthquake took place? Did the U.N. need

a base of operations in Haiti and this country was the least path of resistance

before and after the Earthquake? Be sure to check out who is really behind

DynCorp International.


Has the U.N. taken over without the consent of the leaders of Haiti? Yes the

U.N. is there in the name of helping restore the country and bring aid to

Haitians and yes Haiti was a mess before the earthquake. Of course

everything is not a conspiracy but it is not always what people say, it is what

people do on this Earth. ^Y^

reply to post by Lou Minotti

i really don't think that there's much to exploit from Haiti.

Think again.

It's called OIL

Oil the Clinton administration is quoted to say "We'll fall back on when the other oil in the world dries up" (something to that effect)...

Deep ports, and lots of yummy yummy oil.

I suppose I should go get the articles...

Spoon feed time! I'll be right back with a source...

source

There is evidence that the United States found oil in Haiti decades ago and due to the geopolitical circumstances and big business interests of that era made the decision to keep Haitian oil in reserve for when Middle Eastern oil had dried up.

There is also good evidence that these very same big US oil companies and their inter-related monopolies of engineering and defense contractors made plans, decades ago, to use Haiti's deep water ports either for oil refineries or to develop oil tank farm sites or depots where crude oil could be stored and later transferred to small tankers to serve U.S. and Caribbean ports.

Tap Haiti's oil, keep it so poor it will be grateful for slave wages at sweatshops. Let sexual tourism and the white sex-abusers do as they will. Transfer quickly more Haiti properties to foreigners and render the "good" Haitians as maids, butlers and servants in US/Euro-owned Haiti tourist resorts like the rest of the Caribbean. Militarize Haiti so that dissent is not possible even as a thought. That's perhaps UN Envoy, Bill Clinton's "best chance in my lifetime" scenario for Haiti. (more) (much more)

peace

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reply to post by highlyoriginal


I don't know about you and your point, but the disasters is real and people are death and dying, now I think that US doesn't have enough troops in that nation as it stand.

I call for about 30 thousand troops more to help with what that nation needs.



Thankfully Brazil, Canada and many others are stepping in with the troop increase.

As for the US naval ships, who other country in the world can accomplish to have this type of high technology in his military that can get into a devastated nation as fast as the US have.

I may hate my political system and the political Whores in Washington but I am sure glad we have the military capabilities to help a nation in need like we do.

And you can take that to the bank

Would you rather us do nothing?

Do you realize if we did nothing it would be essentially supporting genocide?

Hundreds of thousands may be dead and more are dying everyday.
We are their only hope. Only the United States has the logistics capability to not only help Haiti, but rebuild it. We cannot sit back and do nothing while thousands die.

Comparing this to Katrina is ignorant. First, we have learned from many of mistakes then, thus the great response to Hurricanes Ike and Gustav in 2008. Second, this disaster is on a scale far beyond Katrina. Millions of lives are literally at stake.

So unless you want us to be selfish cold hearted bastards, I don't see the point of this anti-American rant.

Why are you all making posts saying things like "Would you rather us do nothing?" and such? Where did I say that we should not do anything?

I said I'm happy that the US is helping out the Haitians, I NEVER once stated that we should not be in Haiti helping. You all really have a knack for turning my statements (and others) around on them.

I damn well hope that the US is just there to help, I was simply sharing an article that I found and putting forth some thoughts to stimulate some conversation.

Don't post if you're going to pull one word out of my posts and turn it around on me, that's total bullsh*t.

I am just worried about the people there right now like most others, but I would hate to see the US govt. take advantage of the situation THAT is all I meant to say.

Oh and you all think I must be an idiot for thinking that the US has other motives... read this.

U.S. Military Stops Aid From Reaching Haiti

The New York Times quoted World Food Program logistics officer Jarry Emmanual, after the U.S. prevented his group's planes from landing supplies, so that the U.S. could land troops, "Their priorities are to secure the country, ours are to feed. We have got to get those priorities in sync." Fortunately, the U.S. was so slow in its response to the earthquake that countries like Iceland, Cuba, and Venezuela were able to get some food, water, medical supplies, doctors, and nurses on the ground in Haiti before the U.S. took over the airport.

Read the full article here.

Not even going to bother making another thread. Obviously you see my point. This wasn't even my original point, but this just adds to the crap going on.

I WANT the people of Haiti, and people everywhere to have a normal life, I am not an a$$hole. But there are things going on behind our backs that we do not know about, and if you think otherwise you are not denying ignorance. Period.

reply to post by highlyoriginal



Ok, what would you rather see:

1. A secure airport, where relief aircraft land in an organized manner (Thanks to AFSOC CCTs personnel on the ground), where supplies can be offloaded and taken to where they matter most.

2. An airport that isn't secure, and you get to watch a relief plane be overrun by a mass of starving people, where the slowest would be trampled underfoot, or be killed for whatever they managed to get in their hands.

You decide.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Is not that they are stopping the aid from coming in, but as you know Haiti airport is very tiny, the amount of airplanes right now in the airport is overwhelming, from just 25 airplanes a day to 200 is just too much to handle, many planes are been diverted to Dominican Republic and then on convoys with the aid and help into Haiti by the UN, this takes time and a lot of coordination.



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Those of you bitching about the federal response with Katrina need to remember that the federal government has no right to step in to assist until such assistance is formally requested by the state government.
In the case of Katrina, Louisiana authorities wanted to handle the affairs by their incompetent selves and din't authorize federal assistance until it was practically shoved down their throats. Place the blame where it belongs.