A little discussion about Revolution and the Declaration of Independance

reply to post by KrazyJethro


What you stated here is maybe why I keep posting these type threads.

It's coming, it's only a matter of time.

As another commenter has stated, some people have no idea what is going on in their own country. Too much MSM and political lies.

This is not the only place I spread my ideas and ideals.

reply to post by Grayelf2009


Thank you Grayelf and I hope to awaken only one individual at a time. Spread your knowledge.

God Bless and Peace.

reply to post by seasoul


You are absolutely correct in the assumption that there are principled and honest people in our government. We need to help them by insisting on any and all politicians swear to uphold the Constitution first and foremost. And hold them to it.

We do not want to have to go to the next step.

reply to post by KrazyJethro

I would propose a national civil disobedience campaign. Something serious and not to be taken lightly, but that's not something that we can talk about around here.

Agreed.

Up until this year I was one of the people that had let our government run wild. I did not follow my civic duty of keeping my political representatives on the straight and narrow. By God that has changed.

I believe in two documents that have come out of my government and they are #ting all over them.

That will stop. The line has been drawn!

God Bless and Peace to you and yours!

Impeach is impossible, congress has to vote for it - good luck with that.

What the people can do is get in the way. Things like a general strike to shut down the country. Make so much noise the 'lawmakers' can't talk. Sit on the capitol steps.

Problem is everybody is too busy watching tv. Maybe shut down the TV networks first?

[edit on 15-1-2010 by Chett]

reply to post by seasoul


seasoul,

Impeachment needs to be done legally.

Revolution needs to be done legally.

Or in better terminology-Lawfully and by the will of the people. Do not make this about Obama. It is not about Obama. This is about our corrupt government in general.

Do not use the divide/conquer crap and detract the OP.

I will repeat this again, it is about our corrupt government.

Woo another rootin', tootin', gun totin', constitution humping, founding father fellatin' thread!

Not once have I seen any of you posters actually do anything besides complain. No organization of goals outside of ATS. Nothing, zip, zilch. Not one of you has posted pictures of a rally you've attended nor audio files of speeches given to inform people. And as always, when someone with a different viewpoint comes up you automatically sit there and label them dis-info agents (when they're probably just bored and trolling for a response) or slander and yell and get rowdy for no reason whatsoever.

You see, all this talk about revolution is just that. Talk. No one in this thread will EVER do anything about it because everyone is too concerned with themselves and making their own ends meet that the fantasy (which it is) of getting your gun and shootin' up town hall to overthrow the evil government will never come to light.

Yes, the government has done some shady stuff and has broken laws. SO HAS EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD! If you're so obsessed with the constitution than devote some time to make a time machine and go back to the past to where and when it was relevant. The laws and ideas from 300 years ago no longer apply to an industrialized nation no matter how big that pipe dream of yours is going on. People change, governments change, laws change. I would bring up the theory of evolution and help it to explain the rational side of things but I forget that it's forbidden when discussing anything with fundies.

I could care less about anything happening to the freakin' constitution because as an American I am still living and participating in the most free country that is gracing the planet. I'm happy I'm not doing slave labor in the UAE or being forced to partake in censorship in China and all the other horrible human rights violations.

FILE CHARGES IN COURT if you think the government has broken the law! THAT'S WHY THEY ARE THERE! But NO. Not one of you will do anything but complain, like the thousands of other threads that are exactly like this for nothing other than front page sensationalism.

And before you call me a dis-info agent maybe you should do some background checking and you'd be surprised that I'm just like you. An American. However, I realize that I much prefer my Republic that this country is instead of your "democracy" that has never existed to begin with.

As for myself, I'm going to continue to donate to Haiti, and to help out the unfortunate where I live, to make sure everyone is treated equally. I actually do go out and make change along with many others. Funny, because you wouldn't expect where I would live (especially being in the heart of the South) to be such a progressive area.

Move on. Do something. Stop living in the past. You people are as bad as fundamentalist Christians that swear the bible must be taken literally. Grain of salt, yada yada.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro

Originally posted by seasoul
IMPEACH OBAMA TODAY – It’s Your Patriotic Duty!

On what grounds?

You have to make the case against him, not the other way around.

OBAMA LIES!
obama-lies.blogspot.com...
Read It and Weep


[edit on 15-1-2010 by seasoul]

You wax on about the document that required our forefathers to shed their blood in order to see it bear fruit. Yet, you tarry not the same thought with regards to this tyranny that has presented itself over the last 100 years.

Have we come far enough that bloodshed it not required and that we can trust elections to put into positions of power those that would represent the true will of the people and reinstate the sovereignty of these United States?

Why do people feel the need to raise the banner of our declaration and still not see the reality that the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I respect your position sir, but I shan't be foolish in the proposition that when faced with no other recourse but that of war to establish or re-establish liberty, then so we must as a people act united with common zeal and fortitude to see that it is carried out.

Our forefathers faced the same dilema and did not back down. Dare I say that we are weaker than they were?

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by seasoul

 

seasoul,

Impeachment needs to be done legally.

Revolution needs to be done legally.

Or in better terminology-Lawfully and by the will of the people. Do not make this about Obama. It is not about Obama. This is about our corrupt government in general.

Do not use the divide/conquer crap and detract the OP.

I will repeat this again, it is about our corrupt government.

i find it funny that you want a legal revolution seeing as how many of our laws arent legal writen by the very people u wish to rebel against... you cant have a "legal" revolution or its no revolution at all..

Originally posted by RcknShdwIf you're so obsessed with the constitution than devote some time to make a time machine and go back to the past to where and when it was relevant.

Tells me all I need to know.

Hey, why don't you go back to that time period, pick up a musket and fight for the freedoms you obviously take for granted.

Originally posted by seasoul
OBAMA LIES!
obama-lies.blogspot.com...
Read It and Weep

All I see is a propaganda site. Additionally, I'm not going to spend my time trying to parse through the garbage on that site for any nugget of info on why you think he should be impeached because you are too lazy to spell it out.

So again, on what grounds?

NOTE: Telling lies is not an impeachable offense.

reply to post by RcknShdw


You are wrong about the US currently being the freest place. It is far from it. Many parts of Eastern Europe and even Russia see what is going on in the US today and shake their heads. These are people with a recent history of oppression, they know what it looks like.
No one asks me for 'ID' here to do business -ever.
There are actual 'beat cops' that find lost dogs and smile at people.
Playgrounds for kids don't have fences.
There is no GMO food to avoid.

Well I could go on and on.

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by seasoul

 

seasoul,

Impeachment needs to be done legally.

Revolution needs to be done legally.

Or in better terminology-Lawfully and by the will of the people. Do not make this about Obama. It is not about Obama. This is about our corrupt government in general.

Do not use the divide/conquer crap and detract the OP.

I will repeat this again, it is about our corrupt government.

I'm just at my wits end with this government.

I'll settle down now.

But remember, there's a paradox here, our government is conducting widespread illegal activities, yet I'm being asked to provide legal solutions to somehow stop the illegal activities of those who design complex and convoluted laws.

I believe in legal solutions, don't get me wrong. But all laws should be stated in simple terms, and in the language of the common man. Laws should be designed so that there is little need for lawyers to have to hold our hand and interpret their meaning.

If America can work to ensure that the Constitution and Bill of Rights is preserved, this would be the first step towards beginning the process of re-engineering our country



[edit on 16-1-2010 by seasoul]

reply to post by RcknShdw



For your info, half of what you stated is against the T&C. Trying to recruit or such.

Thanks for your participation in my thread.

I guess we are just a bunch of belly achers.

So are you a disinfo or provacateur? I see you like to attack and label like the fundies remark.

I guess you came here to denigrate something that you don't believe in. Good for you.

Why don't you make some contribution to the thread instead of attacks, obfuscation and fallacious arguments?

reply to post by Freenrgy2


Our forefathers petitioned the English govt for years seeking redress for their grievances. By diong this, they got their case out before the public, the English govt and the world.

By the time it came to violent conflict, the world had been put on notice regarding the grievances of the patriots, thus making it harder for the English to paint the colonists as terrorists.

We need to pursue every avenue of peaceful discourse before escelating to massive protests and (hopefully not necessary) violent conflict.

The colonists only fought back after the English marched to disarm the militias at Lexington and Concord. If blood must be shed, it should be clear that the Govt fired the 1st shot. If we start the shooting war we'll be branded as terrorists and radicals. If the govt shoots 1st we can claim self defence.

By making our case public we create understanding of our cause so that, if the day comes when armed conflict becomes necessary, we might be able to rally others to the justness of our cause. Once the shooting war begins TPTB will cut off our access to the MSM.

We need to get our message out now.

reply to post by Freenrgy2


reply to post by TheCoffinman


I know, I know, I know.

It is always the same isn't it? What would you like me to do? Do you not think the men and women of that day and age did not discuss the very thing we are discussing now?

Why must everyone always come to this argument? Either start your revolution or shut up! Jeez, why is this not a discussion able to get anywhere without getting derailed?

Fear?

Once we can no longer discuss political corruption and revolution we are already slaves.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
reply to post by Freenrgy2

 

Our forefathers petitioned the English govt for years seeking redress for their grievances. By diong this, they got their case out before the public, the English govt and the world.

By the time it came to violent conflict, the world had been put on notice regarding the grievances of the patriots, thus making it harder for the English to paint the colonists as terrorists.

We need to pursue every avenue of peaceful discourse before escelating to massive protests and (hopefully not necessary) violent conflict.

The colonists only fought back after the English marched to disarm the militias at Lexington and Concord. If blood must be shed, it should be clear that the Govt fired the 1st shot. If we start the shooting war we'll be branded as terrorists and radicals. If the govt shoots 1st we can claim self defence.

By making our case public we create understanding of our cause so that, if the day comes when armed conflict becomes necessary, we might be able to rally others to the justness of our cause. Once the shooting war begins TPTB will cut off our access to the MSM.

We need to get our message out now.

Thank you for putting into words what I wanted to say. You did it very eloquently and to the point.

I should maybe step back from the thread for a bit and put together some more thoughts.

The derailment is getting me off game so to speak.

reply to post by RcknShdw


I agree with everything you're saying, and you are right... I am sittin' around complaining with my peers. However, I do want to do everything I can legally to institute change before I/we take the least desirable step... and so I have and continue to do so. BUT, as stated, if we do not change the status quo in the next year or so, then I believe things will deteriorate on so many levels. I won't have to worry about losing the house, the 401k, the truck, or my liberties...they will be gone. And a man with nothing to lose is dangerous.

That which inspired Imhotep inspires you.

You are currently being 'bitten' by reality.
Edvard Munch's 'Scream' is the analogy, I believe.

One still has a Choice.
Your Rights are 'Natural and innate'.
'You' are to defend them when necessary.

You Are the example.
Be a Good One for yourself and your Neighbor.
The world is what 'You' collectively make it.

You create and perpetuate the 'times of the day'.
Create 'your' future/destiny as a Soul, not as a shell.
You Do have Choice.

With Courage and Compassion, one can't go wrong.
Fly or Eagle?
Your choice.

reply to post by Perseus Apex


That has to be the most inspirational and poignant thing I have read since joining here.

Thank you kindly for your inspiration.

God Bless and Peace.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
The question is not if they are allowed to continue, as they have violated the Constitution for the majority of the last 100 years. There is historical validity to eliminate the government we currently have.

The question, is who will fire the first shot?

The question is not who will fire the first shot.

The question is: who will have that man's back?

'Good' work Endisnighe.
The 'people' know what you mean.
It seems One has an 'identity' crisis.

Has it not always been 'within' than without?
Seems obvious whether one has senses at all, no?

G'night.