Obama staffer wants 'cognitive infiltration' of 9/11 conspiracy groups

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I appreciate the kind words, Proto.

.....

Donny,

I promise you I am not a disinfo dude.
If you would like to get to the bottom of that, I would ask you to scour my postings and see just how I feel on this, or a variety, of subjects...

In fact, if you were to dig deep enough, you would find that I have a rather interesting perspective on a particular issue that I choose not to talk about too often on these boards. It is a pretty convoluted issue (9-11) and I happen to *know* some things about it.

Of course, you should have gathered as much through the U2U I just sent you outlining what it is you are questioning me about in response.

Please realize, people who disagree with something you may feel strongly about are not necessarily out to get you...

And in the end, afterall, all I said is that if *I* were a disinfo agent, you could beat me with sound logic.

Should be no problem, right?

Cheers brother... I mean no ill towards you.

reply to post by JayinAR


I appreciate all your great posts Jay!

One thing is for certain is a lot of posters fall into the emotional trap where they foresake logic for simply emotional reaction.

One thing disinformation agents are great at is faking that emotion.

They love to feign that they are outraged and offended by opinions that they don't favor and then act disparaging up to a certain point.

That point being the Terms of Service line.

However they really want to get you to become emotionally affected by their arguments for real and to react emotionally and go over that Terms of Service line.

There are a lot of screwed up things in the world, more so at the moment than usual and a lot of people do walk around angry and even come here on to ATS looking to vent some of that anger and frustration.

It never pays to get emotional or confrontational in debates, no matter how passionate a subject.

I wish some posters would try harder not too, and follow your great example.

Donny: I will have you know I once got Jay to change his mind from thinking killing geckos was bad mojo to realizing that its geckos that are at the heart of the Reptilian New World Order Conspiracy!

Jay is certainly a person who can be persuaded with reasonable arguments like those !

From The Sourced Article In The Opening Post
The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."

How is that for an implicit admission that certain aspects of our ruling class are farming out accountability?

And for someone who is trying to undermine a conspiracy minded group, that is one hell of a provocation...

Something doesn't sit right here...it seems like an admission but it is presented as divisive...I would like to know who his target audience is with this seemingly blatant expression...

There may be more to this...because I have a hard time believing that someone would say that without knowing what he was saying. And if I am wrong...then his crusade is already done.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Thanks again, for all of your kind remarks, but I fall short of your standards.



I OFTEN fall victim to my emotion. It usually happens when I come to the point of one too many beers.
In my defense however, it is happening less and less often by the day and in conjunction with the realization that the darned "offworlders" CANNOT take me against my will.

As you see, I drink to sleep without their interference and anylonger, I am able to force away their interference!


Hows THAT for disinfo!

I should be paid for it!

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reply to post by MemoryShock


This is something I picked up on in the OP as well.
In the "article" they are admitting that they simply cannot control that which is the internet.

Hence why I say your stance is only as good as your approach.




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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Now you do realize Donny if it takes one to know one, and Jay was one, and you spotted Jay as being one too, that would make you one too right?

Jay is a great poster, and posts across the board, and has some great theories of his own on some very intriguing things.

One thing I try to do when I have doubts about someone is to take a look at their posting history, the variety of topics, and their demeanor in how they post.

It works a lot better than just being suspicious of everyone and everything.

Ah ha, do I detect a personal tinge here?
I was trained in the discipline. To detect not project.
Please don't let him convert me.
Do you like Foxworthy?

reply to post by JayinAR


It is a well established fact that geckos can not hold their liguor!

The human race can only survive against the gecko horde by drinking them under the table.

Yes they have an advantage initially because they can hang upside down under the table but after a few beers they fall right off!

You are a credit to our race Jay!

reply to post by JayinAR


My point is that the concept of the quoted idea is likely a fundamental aspect of political/intelligence/media interactions. Such a concept is likely across the board.

How does one manipulate events, adversely, without getting caught?

MK-ULTRA, I believe, has roots in that motivation...but that is another thread.

Really, the guy is just advocating an age old axiom - Divide and Conquer. Truly, if you divide then there is little need to actually conquer as the action is implicit in step one...

reply to post by Donny 4 million


I have never seen Jeff Foxworthy. On my home planet there is no such thing as comedy.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Hey!

I ain't no reptile!

Although I DON'T like this cold.
Also, I can HOLD my liquor (beer)... The question is what is on my stomach when I drink it!

Tit for tat!

Originally posted by MemoryShock
reply to post by JayinAR

 

My point is that the concept of the quoted idea is likely a fundamental aspect of political/intelligence/media interactions. Such a concept is likely across the board.

How does one manipulate events, adversely, without getting caught?

MK-ULTRA, I believe, has roots in that motivation...but that is another thread.

Really, the guy is just advocating an age old axiom - Divide and Conquer. Truly, if you divide then there is little need to actually conquer as the action is implicit in step one...

This is all about divide and conquer and fairly ingenious. Just putting this information out there will cause many people to suspect that anyone who doesn’t agree with their theories is a government plant, or anyone deviating from the topic is a government plant.

It’s all about using fear as a weapon. Fear is always imagined so you literally end up tilting and windmills at expending your energy and initiative in that task.

They don’t actually have to hire anyone, they just have to let people think they are, and fear and imagination and paranoia will do the rest.


[edit on 14/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by MemoryShock


Agreed and thumbs-up!
You took it one step farther in your explanation... but yeah.

The entire idea of his proposal is to illicit a bullying tactic to coerce "conspiracists" against one another through a questioning of their sources against one another.

Of course, however, this is just an intellectual waxing of his own ego in the idea that "they" could actually accomplish such a thing without "tying" it to an "official" source.
Afterall, if they quote Harvard, I'll quote Yale.

Any way you look at it, the internet is still the internet, and he will fall victim to the same circumstance I fall victim to EVERY DAY... IE, "your source is the internet... you can find ANYTHING on the internet to support ANYTHING you want."

'''where oh where can we go to get away from the madness???''

This HAS GOT to be a baaaaaad dream. I think its time to stop typing or talking and move and take some action~~~~~THEY ARE FREAKING LUCKY WE JUST TYPE OUT OUR FRUSTRATIONS!!!!!!!

reply to post by dgtempe




This thread doesn't even make me frustrated.
It actually gives me hope!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
They don’t actually have to hire anyone, they just have to let people think they are, and fear and imagination and paranoia will do the rest.

Ding, Ding, Ding!

When one considers our situation anyways, we inherently argue and bicker amongst ourselves as it is. The only real point of concern that I could imagine being an issue for TPTB is that we continue arguing and a consequence of the controversy is the attraction of more and more people.

Which is what I stated in my first post in this thread...the statement may just be an effort to dissuade the populace that has yet to be drawn in.

Still...while I think that the legal expansion of libel to include internet rumours to be very unlikely, his stance and his indirect contention for a Supreme Court position is mildly disconcerting. All in all, I think that his use of the term extremist to be an apt adjective for his own political views.

Still...just based on the statements offered by the article sourced, I kind of want him to keep pushing and releasing statements. I would enjoy the oppurtunity to pick apart the reasonings of the Head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Actions...

Though the fact that he makes more money than I kind of leaves me shaking my head a bit...lol

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I appreciate the kind words, Proto.

.....

Donny,

I promise you I am not a disinfo dude.
If you would like to get to the bottom of that, I would ask you to scour my postings and see just how I feel on this, or a variety, of subjects...

In fact, if you were to dig deep enough, you would find that I have a rather interesting perspective on a particular issue that I choose not to talk about too often on these boards. It is a pretty convoluted issue (9-11) and I happen to *know* some things about it.

Of course, you should have gathered as much through the U2U I just sent you outlining what it is you are questioning me about in response.

Please realize, people who disagree with something you may feel strongly about are not necessarily out to get you...

And in the end, afterall, all I said is that if *I* were a disinfo agent, you could beat me with sound logic.

Should be no problem, right?

Cheers brother... I mean no ill towards you.

Actually I was addressing you ability to convert.
It's just to much braggadocio. Good disinfo folks would set up
a scenario like you posted just to show how human and sensitive a black widow can be.
I hope you do not take that sound logic for a beating.
Let the chips fall where they may.

reply to post by MemoryShock

So much of what these people do is simply master the art of word games.

Office of Information and Regulation sounds suspiciously like Ministry of Propaganda to me!

So much of what they do is try to take relativey obscure or rarely used words and assign them new meanings to conjure up powerful emotions of anger and fear.

In many ways they are reinventing the dictionary to simply reinvent perspective based on the vernacular we describe it with. It’s all based on just creating those negative connotations through word play to effect emotion and then reaction.

Whether it’s the holocaust or the War on Terror, or the Patriot Act, or enemy combatant, or Office of Information and Regulation, conventional wisdom, or politically correct, in most cases they literally are inversing the meaning of the words and teaching people to define them completely differently in an atmosphere where it’s almost a mortal sin to not accept the new perverted meanings and the perspectives that they conjure.

Simply put for all their Ivy League Educations, and think tanks they really are just used car salesmen!



[edit on 14/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

I have never seen Jeff Foxworthy. On my home planet there is no such thing as comedy.

You poor thing. You are like a hungry child. I will start a thread fo you.
A fox worthy one. You contribute much to ATS and deserve a laugh.
Watch the recent thread thingy.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Obama staffer wants 'cognitive infiltration' of 9/11 conspiracy groups

rawstory.com

By Daniel Tencer

In a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine

(visit the link for the full news article)

So this is news? We are not only already watched, but continually assulted with mis-information and other malfeasance as well.

Our forefathers sought aid from sympathetic foreign governments to help fund and maintain a continental army for the duration of the war for independance.

The only logical way to gain enough sympathy and aid for a successful revolution is to do the same things the US government has done to garner favorable public opinion to enter into wars. (Example: Pearl harbor, twin tower attacks, Lusitania, etc.)

If one were to guide local, state, and federal military and law enforcement agencies into making more huge mistakes like Ruby Ridge, Waco, Kent State, Selma march, Rodney King, Kennedy and King assinations, etc... then perhaps the general public might be more inclined to protect, defend, and fortify the heros of a revolution instead of turning them in for reward money. Planting loyal agents into the governments camp is also necessary in order to obtain information, and cause confusion.

Wars are not a game, and revolution is no exception. Once the revolution starts the government will do everything in its power to turn public opinion against the revolutionaries; false reports of guerrillla activity, rumors of atrocities, and other scare tactics. The revolutionaries must do exactly the same, only better.

One inevitable by-product of war is innocent casualties. There is no getting around it. You can only hope that the enemy inflicts more damage to your children then you inflict on theirs.

I leave you with the following quotes:

"The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose." - Henry Kissinger, U.S. Republican politician, secretary of state.

“The guerrilla band is an armed nucleus, the fighting vanguard of the people. It draws its great force from the mass of the people themselves. The guerrilla band is not to be considered inferior to the army against which it fights simply because it is inferior in fire power. . . “ — Che Guevara, Guerrilla Warfare, 1960

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.” - Sun Tzu, the Art of War

“Orthodox forces may under certain conditions operate as guerrillas, and the latter may, under certain conditions, develop to the status of the former. However, both guerrilla forces and regular forces have their own respective development and their proper combinations” - Mao Tse-Tung - On Guerrilla Warfare

"The essence of guerrilla warfare is to establish foci, or liberated areas, in the countryside and to set up small military units which will gradually grow in strength, number and equipment. . ” - Walter Laqueur, German–born U.S. historian, educator

Originally posted by dgtempe
'''where oh where can we go to get away from the madness???''

This HAS GOT to be a baaaaaad dream. I think its time to stop typing or talking and move and take some action~~~~~THEY ARE FREAKING LUCKY WE JUST TYPE OUT OUR FRUSTRATIONS!!!!!!!

Odd I was thinking the same thing,

Yesterday I went ballistic in a chat room, I never do that, everyone has something to bitch about but no one does anything,

I thought I was going to lose it listening to the finger pointing and accusations,

We need a plan,

VOTI,

What if no one paid their taxes this year?

I mean seriously.


The tea partyers are at least making an effort, and everyone hates them too, what do people want?

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