I've noticed some Contradictions

Well, it's obvious that on conspiracy sites such as ATS there are certain things everyone can agree on. Aliens are real and have a presence here. The government as a whole is not on the peoples' side. There is a New World Order in the planning. But there are certain things, and two specifically, that kind of confuse me in discussions, so I am hoping to have them clarified.

1. The reliability of the Bible
I am constantly hearing that the majority of religions are all created by the same people and that, in the end, they are there for the purpose of braingwashing. Every day something new comes up showing how much bull# there is in the Bible and other religious prophecies.

But at the same time, people are constantly quoting the Bible and pointing out warnings inside of it to the events of today. I don't get it, is the general consensus that the Bible is good or bad? Is it maybe a mix?

And one minute I'm thinking that the Cross, meant to represent God, is just another part of the lying religious BS that so many are addicted to. But then I'm hearing that it's supposed to be a good thing..

2. Celebrities, who's side are they on?

Obviously, each individual can have a different opinion, and some of them may hide theirs for their entire lives. But sometimes people point out how a certain movie shows warnings of NWO and etc., and some movies promote good messages, yet I'm also told to believe that the majority if not all of mainstream media is either meaningless or secretly brainwashing us.

3. Are we supposed to have ANY trust in governments?

Again, not every politician necessarily has the same goals. But it's just hard to map and ideas out in my head when I am first hearing that certain politicians are helping our freedoms, then I am hearing that the entire government is for NWO and that there are no freedom fighters allowed in them.

Sometimes I hear that all the countries, as far as the wealth and politics, are connected at this point. But then I hear that certain countries are against NWO type things, like when I saw a map that showed Norway as one of the only Euro countries not to be part of the Europeen Union. But then I hear that some kind of conference was held IN NORWAY discussing how to brainwash us and all that jazz.

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The answers to these are most likely too complicated for a simple answer, and sometimes there really is no direct answer. I just want to hear what anyone reading has to say on these.

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OK, lemme weigh in on this one:

1. We have a mixed bag here on ATS. There are plenty of Bible thumpers here to keep the non-religious in check, so to speak...

2. They are on their own side.

3. Never trust a politician, but the average Fed worker is there to do their job and is just as patriotic as you or I.

Well, there's my two cents...

Originally posted by Bananarama
Well, it's obvious that on conspiracy sites such as ATS there are certain things everyone can agree on. Aliens are real and have a presence here. The government as a whole is not on the peoples' side. There is a New World Order in the planning.

Actually, dont even count on these things being things "we can all agree on."

Basically, there is nothing we all agree on here at ATS, and thats actually what makes it so fun.

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Well, there is no "we" mentality here. Everyone has there convictions and that's what makes it beautiful. Just do some research and find yours.

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But at the same time, people are constantly quoting the Bible and pointing
out warnings inside of it to the events of today. I don't get it,

1) Some non-christians know the bible better than some christians. When you are one of those non-christians and you are arguing with a christian...it's easy ammunition to quote the bible.

2) Whether it's divinely inspired or not, there are some good lessons and metaphors in there. The parable of the talents, for example, would make just as much sense whether or not it was the bible that you got it from.

3) Whether or not the bible is divinely inspired...somebody wrote it. And, whomever wrote it, people do use it. So it's often useful to refer to the bible in reference to non-christian theories. For example...let's say you want to propose that the bible was inspired by aliens as a tool to help control humans. So you quote the bible as evidence.

4) Once again...regardless of origins, the bible has had a significant effect on large numbers of people and societies. So when discussign those people and societies it's often useful to refer to the bible to explain why people think the way they do.

5) If the bible is a guidebook created by "bad" sources for manipulation, then it's plausible that revelations is a planned scenario. When events occur as described, the "bad" ones can point and say "See? Our guidebook was right all along! Believe in me!" In such a scenario, the bible may contain accurate predictions even if the source of those predictions is not really on your side.

sometimes people point out how a certain movie shows warnings of NWO and etc., and some movies promote good messages, yet I'm also told to believe that the majority if not all of mainstream media is either meaningless or secretly brainwashing us.

1) See #2 above. There are often useful lessons to be gained even from unfriendly sources. If space aliens come down and explain that they're going to turn humanity into a slave race...but before we do, we'd like to teach you algebra...you may as well learn algebra. Similarly, even if a movie is intended to brainwash you, that doesn't mean no useful information may be gained from it.

2) It's rare for any large entity or orgnization on this planet to operate with complete self-harmony. Just because "government" is "bad" in some vague and general way doesn't mean that there aren't government services that are useful. Just because hollywood is a tool to placate and delude the masses doesn't mean there aren't people, movies and messages that have value.

it's just hard to map and ideas out in my head when I am first hearing that
certain politicians are helping our freedoms, then I am hearing that the entire
government is for NWO and that there are no freedom fighters allowed in them.

Some people have difficulty understanding the idea that not all elements of a group are necessarily acting in agreement with one another. The concept of "generality" is difficult for some people to grasp. For example, many people think of "the government" as one single, unified entity rather than a myriad of oragnizations with their own agendas that may or may not communciate with one another. This misunderstanding frequently occurs in discussions of race too. For example, someone might claim that "smaugarians tend to be short" and somebody might respond "That's not true! I knew a smaugarian once who was tall." Both statements can be true, there is no contradiction. But the second speaker is having a difficult time accepting the possibility of a "general" statement that applies in many or most cases, because they see the exception and assume that statements must apply or not apply completely to a group. Television sci-fi highlights this distorted perspective very nicely: Klingons are all warriors, ferrengi are all mischevious traders, etc. People who claim "the goverment" = "the NWO" are probably having this sort of miscomprehension.


[edit on 13-1-2010 by LordBucket]

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That's a good post.

It comes down to interpretation, but it seems that most people haven't understood the role of individuals in their world-views. The shady cabals that are thought, by some, to rule the world would still be subject to individuals within the group. All large and small organizations have status quo and dissent. Politics is full of back-stabbing. Sports teams want success, but each member has different ideas of how to achieve it. A group of friends can argue which club or bar they should go to first.

All of these individual tastes and ideas cause a certain amount of chaos in society. The Republicans and Democrats spend millions of dollars trying to elect a President and can't be sure of the outcome.

Sure, people in power always want more and for longer. Illuminati, NWO, Bilderbergers and our very real political leaders know all too well that it's easier herding cats...