Bob Dean's Project Camelot Conference question

Hey all, I'm watching Bob Dean's speech at the los angeles conference for the second time and I was wondering if any of you knew what particular 3 episodes were "dynamite" in the xfiles? Thank you.

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
Hey all, I'm watching Bob Dean's speech at the los angeles conference for the second time and I was wondering if any of you knew what particular 3 episodes were "dynamite" in the xfiles? Thank you.

I wouldn't put too much store on what Bob Dean has to say particularly about UFOs. Anyone who claims on the record that he has been contacted and has been on board the craft is not someone to take seriously. I've heard him speak and he is just totally unbelievable! And I mean that sincerely, now get outta here!

Originally posted by The Shrike
Anyone who claims on the record that he has been contacted and has been on board the craft is not someone to take seriously.

Why ?

Not that I'm saying anything about Bob Dean's integrity in any way but why generally ?

Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
Hey all, I'm watching Bob Dean's speech at the los angeles conference for the second time and I was wondering if any of you knew what particular 3 episodes were "dynamite" in the xfiles? Thank you.

I wouldn't put too much store on what Bob Dean has to say particularly about UFOs.

Anyone who claims on the record that he has been contacted and has been on board the craft is not someone to take seriously.

I've heard him speak and he is just totally unbelievable!

And I mean that sincerely, now get outta here!

If you cant take a person being abducted seriously, then what the hell are you doing on these forums? lol.

[edit on 13-1-2010 by Thyhorrorcosmic]

Originally posted by The Shrike
Anyone who claims on the record that he has been contacted and has been on board the craft is not someone to take seriously.

Right, so I'm not to take my friend seriously, as he clearly recalls being taken onboard a craft and communicating with an ET. He has no reason at all to lie about his claim. He actually lost his marriage over the incident. And for what it's worth, he's also seen Bob Dean and identifies with a lot of what he has to say.

If you don't believe in aliens, and don't believe they are contacting and visiting us, then why are you here on this forum? Not that it matters and no offence intended.. it's just like me joining up at a quilt-making forum! If you are serious about investigating the UFO matter, we cannot afford to ignore those who purport to have had actual contact. Deny ignorance.

Bob Dean has never said he meet an alien or being on board there craft has he?

Originally posted by RiotComing

Originally posted by The Shrike
Anyone who claims on the record that he has been contacted and has been on board the craft is not someone to take seriously.

Right, so I'm not to take my friend seriously, as he clearly recalls being taken onboard a craft and communicating with an ET. He has no reason at all to lie about his claim. He actually lost his marriage over the incident. And for what it's worth, he's also seen Bob Dean and identifies with a lot of what he has to say.

If you don't believe in aliens, and don't believe they are contacting and visiting us, then why are you here on this forum? Not that it matters and no offence intended.. it's just like me joining up at a quilt-making forum! If you are serious about investigating the UFO matter, we cannot afford to ignore those who purport to have had actual contact. Deny ignorance.

One thing that is evident and that is that some members of the Aliens and UFOs forum are not a reasoning lot. I don't buy word one from Bob Dean. I've heard him speak and I'm not his audience as I don't buy irrational b.s. or any b.s. He is a master of b.s. And I can definitely afford to ignore nuts such as Bob Dean, he is near the top of the list.

I don't stop anyone from wanting to accept what certain UFO personalities claim without a shred of evidence. I demand irrefutable evidence. Hearsay is not good enough for me but it might be for you.

You want to believe your friend, no one can stop you.

I come to this forum for the entertainment value. Thank you for providing iit.

[edit on 13-1-2010 by The Shrike]

Ok...but why B.S. about everything? It's not like he's making any profit of doing it.

While i have watched Mr.Deans video's over at project Camelot, and remain skeptical of his claims, And i do not intend to make any kind of judgment on his character. But for some making up claims is not always about making money, some people just crave the attention and its all the reason they need to make up somewhat shady claims on what they may or may not have been involved in.

However like i said, i am not trying to judge Mr.Dean or in any way trying to insinuate that he is making it up, but as far as i am concerned, I have not seen him show sufficient proof to make me a "Believer" so to speak. Also i have no reason to call him a liar, so i remain skeptical.

Originally posted by The Shrike

One thing that is evident and that is that some members of the Aliens and UFOs forum are not a reasoning lot. I don't buy word one from Bob Dean. I've heard him speak and I'm not his audience as I don't buy irrational b.s. or any b.s. He is a master of b.s. And I can definitely afford to ignore nuts such as Bob Dean, he is near the top of the list.

He was a Command Sgt. Major at Supreme Allied HQ NATO, France. Of course, my mistake...that's the McDonald's of Govt. Defense jobs...

I come to this forum for the entertainment value. Thank you for providing iit.

First you say you've come here to 'demand' irrefutable evidence, then you say you just want entertainment. Which is it? No one owes you a thing.

I've got a better resource for your boredom.

thisiswhyyourefat.com...

Originally posted by Imander
While i have watched Mr.Deans video's over at project Camelot, and remain skeptical of his claims, And i do not intend to make any kind of judgment on his character. But for some making up claims is not always about making money, some people just crave the attention and its all the reason they need to make up somewhat shady claims on what they may or may not have been involved in.

However like i said, i am not trying to judge Mr.Dean or in any way trying to insinuate that he is making it up, but as far as i am concerned, I have not seen him show sufficient proof to make me a "Believer" so to speak. Also i have no reason to call him a liar, so i remain skeptical.

You have stated the same things I said, phrased differently. He craves attention and to that effect he makes things up he cannot offer any evidence for. If you employ common sense, reason, and logic there's no way you can accept his unbelievable claims as having any reality in fact. So I'm being criticized because I said so, raw. The same thing for John Lear but he is idolized by some who turn nasty when their idol is criticized.
The same thing for Hoagland. Well, it doesn't matter for Hitler also had his adorers and those who criticized him in public found their way to early graves!

Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by Imander
While i have watched Mr.Deans video's over at project Camelot, and remain skeptical of his claims, And i do not intend to make any kind of judgment on his character. But for some making up claims is not always about making money, some people just crave the attention and its all the reason they need to make up somewhat shady claims on what they may or may not have been involved in.

However like i said, i am not trying to judge Mr.Dean or in any way trying to insinuate that he is making it up, but as far as i am concerned, I have not seen him show sufficient proof to make me a "Believer" so to speak. Also i have no reason to call him a liar, so i remain skeptical.

You have stated the same things I said, phrased differently. He craves attention and to that effect he makes things up he cannot offer any evidence for. If you employ common sense, reason, and logic there's no way you can accept his unbelievable claims as having any reality in fact. So I'm being criticized because I said so, raw. The same thing for John Lear but he is idolized by some who turn nasty when their idol is criticized.
The same thing for Hoagland. Well, it doesn't matter for Hitler also had his adorers and those who criticized him in public found their way to early graves!

Shrike, how can he be "stating the same things" as you when you are saying completely different things?

He said: "i am not trying to judge Mr.Dean or in any way trying to insinuate that he is making it up... I have no reason to call him a liar so i remain skeptical"

But in contrast you say "He craves attention and to that effect he makes things up... there's no way you can accept his unbelievable claims as having any reality in fact"

Imander represents a legitimately skeptical position but you, in stark contrast, represent a pseudo-skeptical position.

You make and pronounce extremely negative and insulting judgments as if they were fact, but without proof, and then hypocritically attack others for supposedly doing the very thing you do, while you pretend to champion "common sense, reason and logic". Yet, somehow, you managed to mention Hoagland, Lear and Dean in the same breath as Hitler.

I think you told us all we need to know earlier when you responded to the question "Why are you even here?" with the telling sarcastic reply "For entertainment value. Thanks for providing it".




[edit on 15-1-2010 by Malcram]

reply to post by Malcram


You and some of the others, who obviously buy Bob Dean's b.s., have reading comprehension. Imander stated:

While i have watched Mr.Deans video's over at project Camelot, and remain skeptical of his claims, [edit]
But for some making up claims is not always about making money, some people just crave the attention and its all the reason they need to make up somewhat shady claims on what they may or may not have been involved in.

[edit]but as far as i am concerned, I have not seen him show sufficient proof to make me a "Believer" so to speak. Also i have no reason to call him a liar, so i remain skeptical.

So it's okay for Imander to say that he remains skeptical of Dean's claims, and insinuating that Dean is craving attention by making up somewhat shady claims, etc., and that Imander hasn't seen Dean show sufficient proof, etc.

But I can't say that Dean is a fake, fraud, etc. How about this: Dean craves attention, makes shady claims, and hasn't shown sufficient evidence to back up his highly-questionable claims. Does that sound better? Ever heard of semantics?


[edit on 15-1-2010 by The Shrike]

Originally posted by The Shrike
reply to post by Malcram

 

You and some of the others, who obviously buy Bob Dean's b.s., have reading comprehension.

So it's okay for Imander to say that he remains skeptical of Dean's claims, and insinuating that Dean is craving attention by making up somewhat shady claims, etc., and that Imander hasn't seen Dean show sufficient proof, etc.

But I can't say that Dean is a fake, fraud, etc. How about this: Dean craves attention, makes shady claims, and hasn't shown sufficient evidence to back up his highly-questionable claims. Does that sound better? Ever heard of semantics?


[edit on 15-1-2010 by The Shrike]

Thanks for saying I have "reading comprehension". I agree. I can't say the same for you, however.

Do you even know what being skeptical means? It doesn't mean you dis-believe - as in X is definitely untrue - it means that one holds an agnostic position and asserts that X is, so far, unproven. That is not your position, because you are not a legitimate skeptic.

Imander said (you know, in the bits of his post you conveniently edited out) that he was specifically NOT implying or insinuating that Dean was a liar or making anything up - try reading and comprehending that - but simply did not feel he had provided enough evidence to prove his assertions. So, Imander is REFRAINING from judgement.

You are doing exactly the opposite and are PASSING JUDGEMENT in pretending to know and attacking Deans motivations (ad hominem) and stating that Dean is a liar and a 'fraud', without being able to prove it. That's hypocrisy and it's pseudo-skepticism.

Finally, it's a fraudulent and rather pathetic tactic (commonly used here at ATS) to state that because I have a problem with your slander, that this somehow must mean I "obviously buy Bob Dean's B.S.", as you call it. You know nothing about my attitude to Dean or what he has to say. Actually my position is similar to Imander's - at least far more similar to Imander's than yours is. This is about you getting called on making unsupported claims and judgments and trying to ride the coat tails of legitimate skeptics here while spouting your hypocritical, pseudo-skeptical, guff.


[edit on 15-1-2010 by Malcram]

Originally posted by The Shrike

One thing that is evident and that is that some members of the Aliens and UFOs forum are not a reasoning lot. I don't buy word one from Bob Dean. I've heard him speak and I'm not his audience as I don't buy irrational b.s. or any b.s. He is a master of b.s. And I can definitely afford to ignore nuts such as Bob Dean, he is near the top of the list.

He was a Command Sgt. Major at Supreme Allied HQ NATO, France. Of course, my mistake...that's the McDonald's of Govt. Defense jobs...

I come to this forum for the entertainment value. Thank you for providing iit.

First you say you've come here to 'demand' irrefutable evidence, then you say you just want entertainment. Which is it?




[edit on 15-1-2010 by NightVision]

Hey did you all read another recent thread about our someone in our govt, Cass Sunstein, I think, that thinks these types of websites should be infiltrated so as to curb our conspiratorial belief systems? Guess Shrek is probably one of them.

Back to topic, I do not know what episodes Dean was refering to, but I've watched him on Camelot, and tend to believe half of what he says. I am not so arrogant as to dismiss that there is more in the universe than just us....The more I know, the less I know.

I was not trying to say Mr.Dean was craving attention, i was responding to the post above mine (didn't quote it, that's my bad, i should have) Where Thyhorrorcosmic asked why BS about what he had to say.

I was simply giving a reason as to why someone would make up claims like that, and then continued to give my opinion on what Mr.Dean had to say in his various video's, it seems you took my post out of context.

I really have no desire to get into an argument with you The Shrike, And i really don't understand why you feel the need to try and pick a fight with me. I was stating my opinion on Mr.Dean, and why someone would make something up.

[edit on 15-1-2010 by Imander]

Ok, wow.... How do i begin..

First, before i mention my thoughts on dean, let me just say i am absolutely disgusted with some of the replies. Now i can understand if you are skeptic and everything, that is fine. I am skeptic too, and i do not dive headfirst into anything until i see some possibility in there. However, when someone asks a question about a person and the first reply tells them it is BS, without providing even a quick link ( i don't care how many times u did it before or if it is in other threads, when u make a statement like that, either provide a link or don't spit out facts), then you are an idiot, no offence but i have seen this happen so many times that it just makes me sick. If i made a statement like that without taking 2 seconds to pull up a link and explain why i think so without shouting BS, bull, not true, hoax, etc. I would feel like #.

On the topic, bob dean is an interesting character. If he is to be believed, then his rank was pretty high up there which, according to other information about levels of secrecy, means that he'd have been exposed to alot of sensitive information. If it is not true, and he is just spinning stories, then i wouldn't be surprised because there are many of those kinds out there. Either way, there is enough strangeness out there that both possibilities exist in my open mind. Now here is also a big mistake many here make. Just because some of the information is way out there does not automatically discredit the rest, there is a process to determening if all the information is false , true, or mixed with both, and it is called "diving deeper".

Now finally i will provide a link refering to bob dean for those who do not know him, or who want to know more.

en.wikipedia.org...

for those who don't like wiki, here is another link.

www.ufoevidence.org...

Second link, last bit, important ultimatum. "I believe we're at that point where we either have to make it and get off the planet, go out and take our place in space with other intelligence out there, or we're going to self-destruct. And those intelligences out there are not about to let us come "out there" with our war-making baggage. They're going to keep us quarantined here until we self-destruct, or until we do come to terms with this new reality, this paradigm shift, as painful as it's going to be. And with hope, we'll step out into that vast community." That should be picture clear to everbody here. Now what should we change about the world we live in? so we don't blow ourselves up? hmm?

True or not, let's discuss, and not point fingers, because pointing fingers only starts wars, and yes on rare occasion it also reveals a hoax, but u can reveal a hoax without lifting a finger. I don't think i need to explain how that is done, "cough research cough study cough investigate cough" ^_^.

[edit on 15-1-2010 by HanyouSpirit]

I don't give a flying saucer about what any of you think about me. Bob Dean is an unbelievable person. I don't care what rank he reached, he spouts b.s. that none of you can verify. If you want to accept what he says because of this or because of that, be my guest. To me, he is a major b.s.er

"...he claimed to have viewed "Cosmic Top Secret" documents detailing alien activity on Earth. ..." b.s.

"... Dean has been unable to provide a copy to prove his recount. ..." Obviously.

"...Dean is of the belief that the United States government is actively suppressing information about its interaction with alien civilizations, including its possession of alien technology and lifeforms, through disinformation campaigns and secrecy. ..." A "belief". Beliefs are the result of mental conditioning.

"He also often speaks highly sympathetically of the allegedly exploited aliens themselves, who he claims are being badly mistreated in an inappropriate and disrespectful manner by overly-secretive government officials." An unbalanced mind!

"When we asked Bob what he wanted to discuss, he told us that he had important news, from his own inside sources, about Nibiru: the highly controversial Planet X. This video contains extremely important information for all students of Planet X to consider." Shades of Zecharia Sitchin!

"True to form, Bob recounts other intriguing stories, including the NRO's classified discovery of "a goddamn boat" high on Mount Ararat, and confirmation of Henry Deacon's report that the Anunnaki are active on present-day Mars." A total nutjob! The bible, the only source for Noah's Ark story, doesn't say the Ark landed on Mount Ararat. It says the Ark landed on the mountains of Ararat. Big f_____g difference! But Dean tells it like it is. Yeah.

What else do you geniuses want? You can keep Bob Dean, he is in good company of nuts.