Videos of soldiers abusing Iraqi children and Animals

As I said before I'm not anti-american or against the troops, and yes while it is only a small portion seen in these videos, it stands to reason that the relaxed attitudes they have in these videos would mean they've not only done this before but are supported enough by fellow troops to be comfortable to being this and even filming it.

If you think that out of all the troops over there THESE are the only ones doing this kind of stuff you are wrong. While we may only catch a handful of them it should be clear that this is not the only abuse going on there. Also, while these videos do show mainly American troops, all the Allied Forces are fighting together and it would seem abusing together.

Hundreds of uninvestigated abuse claims

The Ministry of Defence has confirmed it is investigating 33 cases of alleged abuse, including rape and torture, of Iraqi civilians by British soldiers. The lawyer representing the alleged victims, Phil Shiner, said there could be hundreds of uninvestigated claims of abuse.

One claimant alleges that soldiers based the abuse they allegedly subjected him to on photographs of the abuse at the notorious US detention centre at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, the Independent reported. In one case, British soldiers are accused of piling up Iraqi prisoners on top of one another before subjecting them to electric shocks.

Shiner served a pre-action protocol letter on the Ministry of Defence last week and is asking for a judicial review of the cases. In the letter, it was reported, Shiner said the allegations raised questions of collusion between Britain and the US over the ill-treatment of Iraqis.

"Given the history of the UK's involvement in the development of these techniques alongside the US, it is deeply concerning that there appears to be strong similarities between instances of the use of sexual humiliation," he told the paper.

The Iraqi human rights campaigner Mazin Younis, who has been investigating allegations of abuse by British troops since 2004, said today: "It was quite shocking actually, that we started seeing a pattern very similar to Abu Ghraib where sex or sexual humiliation is used, like playing porn movies in the corridors while the prisoners are in their solitary cells, especially at prayer times.

"Then more serious stuff started coming up, when we realised some female soldiers were exposing themselves in front of prisoners while they were in toilets or showers. On one occasion, one female soldier tried to have sex with one of the detainees while he was resting after an operation in a hospital bed."

Shiner said that since the British withdrawal from Basra in southern Iraq in the summer, a host of abuse allegations had been made dating back to 2003.

He said: "I have it on good authority that there are hundreds of cases that are going uninvestigated. But if you are an Iraqi and terrible things have happened to you then how would you know that we have a judicial system in this country to deal with it? My guess is that many of them will remain buried."

One Iraqi claims that he was raped by two British soldiers in 2003 when he was 16, while others claim they were stripped naked, abused and photographed. Both male and female soldiers are alleged to have taken part in abuse.

Bill Rammell, the armed forces minister, rejected suggestions that a full public inquiry should be held into British troops' behaviour in Iraq. He said on BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "there is not any evidence of endemic abuse within the armed forces".

The minister said about seven of the 33 cases under investigation had been reported within the last month, while the rest "date back significantly beyond that period".

"Over 120,000 British troops have served in Iraq and the vast majority have conducted themselves to the highest standards of behaviour, displaying integrity and selfless commitment. Only a tiny number of individuals have been shown to have fallen short of our high standards. Allegations of this nature are taken very seriously, however allegations must not be taken as fact and investigations must be allowed to take their course without judgments being made prematurely," Rammell said.

Younis said many alleged victims had waited years before coming forward out of fear. "People were quite scared of the British, because the level of abuses was so high that people feared that the British could detain them," he told the BBC.

"They would hear that their friends or relatives had probably been detained for years without charges, they have probably been abused. They all feared that the British would come back and punish them. Now the British are out."

The Guardian reported in September that the Royal Military police had launched a criminal investigation into allegations that British soldiers repeatedly raped and mutilated an 18-year-old Iraqi civilian who was working as a labourer at Camp Breadbasket, in Basra, the scene of other abuse allegations.

The man, who wishes to remain unnamed, alleged that two soldiers raped him, subjecting him to a 15-minute ordeal, then slashed him with a knife. He was treated in hospital for cuts and the military police are understood to have secured the medical records. The victim said he was so traumatised he tried to kill himself.

Shiner also represents the interests of Baha Mousa, an Iraqi who died after being taken into UK military custody. Mousa and nine other civilians were arrested at a hotel in Basra in September 2003. The 26-year-old father-of-two died the following day, having suffered 93 separate injuries, including fractured ribs and a broken nose.

Corporal Donald Payne became the first member of the British armed forces to be convicted of a war crime when he pleaded guilty at a court martial in September 2006 to inhumanely treating civilians. He was dismissed from the army and sentenced to one year in a civilian jail.

At the ongoing public inquiry into Mousa's death, a former British soldier admitted for the first time that he saw Payne and Private Aaron Cooper kicking and hitting the Iraqi shortly before he died. Garry Reader told a hearing on Monday how he had tried to resuscitate Mousa.

My main concern was that while some of these videos have been investigated here in Australia we have not heard a single comment about this stuff on our news. Also yes some are light, I put them in so you could see the progression of escalation. If this is the stuff being filmed, just imagine the stuff not being.

What goes around comes around, in the end these will suffer far more than the ones they did these things to.
I don't wish bad on these, but they need a rude awakening.

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This is just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure however how disgusting the acts may be don't blame the soldiers, blame the tptb that are using America and their young to crusade around the world and keep pulling them back under stop loss. After just 2 tours its a wonder any of them can even tie their shoes. War, especially war where the soldiers are obviously being made to commit war crimes and kill innocents is enough to drive anyone to the point where nothing is sacred anymore and life has no value whatsoever. These poor soldiers are victims themselves. It's as if and I think it is true that the ptb are making sure our soldiers don't make it out alive. The suicide rate of returning and active duty soldiers, dwarfs the actual casualty rates from the war itself. If you want to get up in arms and pissed at something it should be at your local sold out congressmen and women and senators that could make this come to an end but its obviously not what the real PTB, The Powers of the Air want. People should have become absolutely riotous by now over us even being there under the pretense of WMD's. BS Its all BS. In fact, the fact the Americans aren't insensed and marching on every state capital and US capital by the millions over these useless Country destroying wars(including our own) makes every one of us equally quilty of the crimes you see here and hear of. By lack of our own dutiful participation against the Governments activities makes all of US just as culpable.



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To all of you who are defending, and/or excusing these soldiers actions or playing their advocates in any way you make me sick, and I hope I don't live anywhere near where you live, so your filthy mentalities are not spread around in my city.

These soldier's actions are inexcusable, no doubt in my mind the militaries in Iraq from whatever country they may be, recruited a small number of street thugs, low life's, suicidal nutcracks, in other words the scum of the earth.

It's funny how some of you try to belittle, or let some of this videos go unnoticed, because no major police agency like, fbi, interpol, military police has proven them to be true; however non of you mention, or comment that IF these videos were true (since they haven't been proven to be false) you would not be proud of those actions, or that the soldiers definately need to be brough to justice.

How come you don't mention something like that?
Because you don't give them the benefit of the doubt and you are only here to defend whatever these soldiers actions are, and this is why you make sick.

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" To all of you who are defending, and/or excusing these soldiers actions or playing their advocates in any way you make me sick, and I hope I don't live anywhere near where you live, so your filthy mentalities are not spread around in my city."

Dude, invade my country, kill my family, my children, destroy my country and Ill behead your ass too and parade your freekin head around for all the world to see. Ill torture you, kill you, whatever it takes till you give up and leave my country.

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In reference to the OP-

I view with skepticism, all Youtube or other sourced video without corresponding documentation to back it up. I find it truly astonishing that anyone would not do this... People seem far too eager to jump on any piece of scrappy information that supports whatever they want/wish/hope to believe and whatever fits their "reality" without effort to seek anything resembling accuracy, truth, or complete picture.

ETA: sp

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The people who committed these acts are criminals. The fact that they are/ were soldiers is irrelevant. I imagine that the perpetrators would behave in a similar way in civilian life if they thought they could get away with it. Don't tar them all with the same brush. It's hard enough for those guys in Iraq as it is.

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I think the fact that some of these videos in particular are being investigated, and another 50 or so should prove their authenticity. People seem to think that these videos are all and the worst of it, but they're clearly not. The attitudes these men show in the footage indicates it's an ongoing thing. Yes, youtube and the like is not the most reliable source but hundreds of Iraqis and a fair few soldiers are reporting these events.

www.independent.co.uk...
this is an article on British Forces abusing Iraqis

If this is the stuff they film imagine what they're not filming? I think the Armed Services needs to have some stricter physcological examinations. These guys aren't just letting off steam like so many claim, they are downright Ef'd up in the head, again they are making all soldiers look bad, but it is obvious there is a certain niche in the Service who have made a sport out of this kinda thing.

As for the people who are saying to stop being a hippy and get over it. At the door of this site I remember reading something that said Deny Ignorance, not deny ignorance if it's convenient to you. The attitudes you have of blind defense is ridiculous.

Again: not all soldiers are like this, it is the minority and yes it can be a stressful job but killing puppies and rape is no way to relax, you can't defend their action because of their jobs. If most of the other soldiers can refrain from this kind of stuff how can you excuse these ones?

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Dude... your post just made me ill.

Maybe it's my compassion or the fact I'm not an a-hole like these guys.

Curiousity killed the cat.

reply to post by Occy Anonymous
Which videos are being investigated?

ETA:
The links you just posted (below this post) have nothing to do w/the videos posted on page 1.
I thought you said that the videos were being investigated?






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Here is an article on a iraqi women getting gang raped.

CONTAINS GRAPHIC PICTURES WARNING
www.aztlan.net...

They say it's being investigated by MSNBC and the like, but still no word. Originally MSNBC did have an article on their website about this but now it is a broken link.

Here's another article, this time from Aljazeera
english.aljazeera.net...

This is the most famous one that seems to have gone missing from youtube.
US Soldier Throws puppy off cliff

Seriously this one if just *

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Well to you and the other guy who replied, your definition means that all human culture is brainwashing, and I fail to see the one thing that significantly makes us different be the enemy. It borders on stuff like Dr. Breen said from HL2. It has come to my realization that truth does not exist, because their are lies and truth in everything. There is no right or wrong culture. Obviously some are evil, and some are good. But all have lies. There is no such thing as a 100% because human observation makes it lies by the very act of observing it. Call it a throwback to Greek philosophy, but it's true. Christians say to murder is wrong, and this is true. Muslims say to fast brings one's mind to concentrate, and this is true. But neither are suppose to be right. And rest assured, you too would be brainwashed under your own definition. What you call brain washing I call being human. If you enjoy a world. where all things human are wrong, fine. But what I see is simply the result of people being themselves. I'd care to point out that the US is the only nation where no dictator has significantly risen up high enough to permanently remain in power and have majority support. In all your listed examples, the majority followed those people. In America, only 20% of the US population is devout "bomb em all" types who would be under the wrong indoctrination. The rest of us do nothing because right now it's a stale mate. The government is not yet rushing to steal your rights, and as such the people are not rushing to revolt. It is stable. And there may be some backhands guiding leaders, but they are not yet an oligarchy nor a dictator, because they still answer to us. They cannot force anything thanks to us.

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Don't give me that, would you really be fine if I, hypothetically, said “do you rape animals while spying on little children and thinking of your mother? I bet you do.” Oh but it's ok because I used a question mark so I was just asking a question. Rubbish, it's full of implication. It's the same slimy, alarmist rhetoric as used by Fox news.

And as if this silly question mark defence held any water what about your assertion (without a question mark in sight) that “a lot” of American soldiers are “Liars, Rapists, Cruel and Inhumane”?

Or how about when you say “You can say that the Military should get rid of the Rotten Soldiers but, if they did, then the Military would lose a lot of their recruits.” No question marks there eh.

Oh and by the way, no you weren't just asking questions, the very next sentence was;

“These Murdering, Sex Offending, Cruel Soldiers come back home and settle back into the Community as if they never did anything wrong.”

You said it with no pretence of asking a question, you made a statement of fact based on what? You bet this happens so you might as well say it like its fact. That about right? I bet it is.

I amquite amazed the here at ATS some of the members intellect and compassion for other is no higher than the people deplecticted in these videos.
I'm sure when their day of reconing is upon them, and they call out for what ever salvation, mercy, they can beg for, there will be none, they will have to face the demons of their own making.
I have seen grown evil men cry on their death bed to be saved, why would they wait till they are dieing to become good Christain's or just good caring person.
I'm not perfect, but upon meeting maker I will have no regrets.

One of the worst things , crimes I could think of would be to Rape a Woman out of lust, then to kill the woman whom they had just preformed the atc of creation of a life.
I am none violent, but capable, in a case such as these I would become Judge, Jury, and Executioner all in one.
In the big picture nothings really matters, but in that instane it would matter that the innocent not to suffer at the hands of the ingnorant.

reply to post by Occy Anonymous


But what's your point? Your OP made the claim that there was a cover up and that these cases lack media attention but you now seem to have no problem finding articles from major news sources about ongoing investigations.

As the articles you have posted make clear the serious allegations that are made against soldiers are generally being investigated (I use the qualifier generally only because I don't know all cases) and these have all being given significant air time and column inches; I know because I saw them when they first came to light. IIRC there are a few threads on ATS concerning some of the things in that article.

If you haven't heard of any of this then either the Australian media is a bit rubbish or you are not scrutinising their output enough but neither a cover up or a lack of media interest is evident.

I don't get what you are trying to say, that there are some sick people in the armed forces? That these actions are wrong and deserve punishment? I don't see anyone, ever, disagreeing with that.

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What is your freakin deal. Do you have nothing better to do with your time than to slander and smear the troops foreign or not, but I am really paying attention to our American troops. Seriously, let me ask you this simple and for your sake, I am going to "Dumb it Down" so your simple mind can figure it out since you have nothing better to do on a Sunday than to post this #.

If you had a family member who was subject to the trials of war, and I am not condoning rape by any means here, but would you do what you could to help that brother or sister out or would you smear your brother and sister to the world when that brother or sister already had their hands full as "America" does today.

Does America not have enough to deal with right now than someone like yourself posting this crap:

Throwing puppies off of cliffs
Terrorizing puppies.
and so on,

Seriously. Have you ever seen war. Have you. Have you ever been involved in an IED or been shot at or Shot. Better yet, have you been deployed for 6-18 months watching your brothers get killed. Have you. By what your posting I'll bet not. Get lost and find a better post for this website. This is not needed anymore. "America" has enough to deal with without idiots like yourself smearing those that go down range, put themselves in harms way to protect the liberties that you abuse on this website.

reply to post by minigunner


I will not insult you with talks of dumbing down.

How bout an invading force in YOUR home town, and five of them

raped your sister.

Would you be a little angry.

Actually, the handgrenade/candy video was hilarious!