Giuliani: We had no domestic attacks under Bush

Wow, so no terrorist attacks under bush?

wow, did he just say that?

WOW

Was this a way of him saying that 9/11 was an inside job?

I cant believe he said we had no terrorist attacks under bush!!!

Yep he sure did
what a tool

Now with the slip of the tongue comes the wrath lol. How costly is this gonna be for him now. Will he be seen now as a threat to what hides the truth, one slip of the tongue and who knows what he will say

Stupid as it may be, this link was my FB status yesterday. No one seemed to notice.

I think I spent about 20 minutes trying to get serious and back to work again. Thank whomever that I depend on ATS to feed my quirks^^, you guys never let me down.

So...senility? A "mistake"? Apparently he clarified it later stating he meant AFTER 9/11. Which still leaves him seriously confused.


ETA: even more baffling in my eyes ( I happen to be a journalist) is that the comment wasn't confronted right then! Just completely unchallenged and ignored. Sigh. I am not one of the "don't trust the media crowd", I'm more of a "Lost faith in human logic and common sense" type.

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yea, tell me about it, i almost lost my coffee when i heard him say this yesterday, but i wasnt home to post it.

HAHAHA yes, he is quite the tool.

Wouldn't an "inside job " be very much a "domestic attack " ?

Really, trutherism seems to be getting very desperate in it's 9th year !

Originally posted by Alfie1

Wouldn't an "inside job " be very much a "domestic attack " ?

Really, trutherism seems to be getting very desperate in it's 9th year !

Alf

Its currently a terrorist attack, because their are still people ( I realize its hard to believe) that believe the OS.

But don't worry , truth , awareness is growing more and more.

It will soon be labeled a "Domestic Attack"

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I really cannot stand Guiliani, he was a crook in office, nothing has changed.

I had found an interesting theory that Guiliani actually paid homeless people to flood New York, creating the problem, and then when people complained about this as well as the crime rate, he utilized Law Enforcement to get rid of the people he brought in to begin with so his efforts would look better than normal.

In other words, corruption in action, create the problem, negative feedback, solve the problem.

This means Guiliani knows the Hegelian Dialectic.

Truth and Lies of 9/11 : Mike Ruppert, C.I.A. Drug Running, and Your Government

Sorry, Guiliani, is just as corrupt as the men who pulled off 9/11, P.N.A.C.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by conservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.

Notice how P.N.A.C. was began in 1997?

That's important because it is one of the many things to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

Guiliani became Mayor of New York in 1994 and he left office in 2001.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Rudy Guiliani

Rudolph William Louis "Rudy" Giuliani; born May 28, 1944) is an American lawyer, businessman and politician from New York.

He served as Mayor of New York City from 1994 to 2001.

A Democrat and Independent in the 1970s, and a Republican since the 1980s, Giuliani served in the United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, eventually becoming U.S. Attorney.

He prosecuted a number of high-profile cases, including ones against organized crime and Wall Street financiers.

Giuliani served two terms as Mayor of New York City, having run on the Republican and Liberal lines.

He was credited with initiating improvements and with a reduction in crime pressing the city's quality of life initiatives.

He ran for the United States Senate in 2000 but withdrew due to being diagnosed with prostate cancer and revelations about his personal life.

Giuliani gained international attention for his leadership, during and after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center.

For those actions, he received an honorary knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II in 2002.

After leaving office as mayor, Giuliani founded Giuliani Partners, a security consulting business; acquired Giuliani Capital Advisors (later sold), an investment banking firm; and joined the Bracewell & Giuliani law firm, which changed its name when he became a partner.

Giuliani ran for the Republican Party nomination in the 2008 United States presidential election.

After leading in national polls for much of 2007, his candidacy faltered late in that year; he did poorly in the caucuses and primaries of January 2008 and withdrew from the race.

Giuliani considered running for both Governor and Senator in 2010, but decided not to and remained active in his business career.

See, he gets into office in 1994, three years prior to P.N.A.C. becoming operational, he's switched political party affiliations three times, Democrat, to Independent, to the Republican party.

This is all prior to George W. Bush getting into office, pointing towards collusion, conspiracy, and criminal intent.

This is so he is properly spread around knowing people in all of those parties.

Quote from :

Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century : Statement of Principles

Statement of Principles

PNAC's first public act was releasing a "Statement of Principles" on June 3, 1997, which was signed by both its members and a variety of other notable conservative politicians and journalists (see Signatories to Statement of Principles).

The statement began by framing a series of questions, which the rest of the document proposes to answer:

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's pre-eminent power.

Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge:

Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades?

Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

In response to these questions, the PNAC states its aim to "remind America" of "lessons" learned from American history, drawing the following "four consequences" for America in 1997:

* we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

* we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

* we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]

* we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

While "Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today," the "Statement of Principles" concludes, "it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next."

The P.N.A.C. "Statement of Principles" proves quite a few things about 9/11.

Prior knowledge, collusive behavior, and needing people behind the scenes are just three key pieces of the evidence, Guilani is the linchpin, because of him being mayor of of the city hit during 9/11, New York, points to him not only being a part of the actions behind the scenes, but collusion and conspiratorial behavior in not only the causation of the events of that fateful day, one might call it a "day of infamy" like F.D.R., who lied about Pearl Harbor, but as well the later usage of 9/11 as a false pretext towards the Iraq War.

We had no domestic attacks under the Bush Administration, Guiliani?

Well, technically, you are correct, what we had was an act of synthetic terror.

Created by politicians in a think-tank in Washington D.C.

So, "technically", you are right, Guiliani, just like "technically" Pearl Harbor was completely unknown in advance, which is the same as stating a pretext is nothing more than prior knowledge with action leading to "aggressive prevention", seeing as the "outsourced" American Volunteer Group (Flying Tigers) was in China assisting Chiang Kai-Shek to kick the Hell out of the Japanese during WWII.

Bush, Cheney, Guiliani, and a host of other politicians should be lead away like this picture.

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See, he gets into office in 1994, three years prior to P.N.A.C. becoming operational, he's switched political party affiliations three times, Democrat, to Independent, to the Republican party. This is all prior to George W. Bush getting into office, pointing towards collusion, conspiracy, and criminal intent.

That might not hold up in court.

Churchill switched political affiliation. Does that prove he was actually on Hitler's side?

Ugh... HIM again. This is just another case of re-inventing history. As utterly impossible as his statement is, they have been on a dedicated strategey of just telling whatever story they want over and over again with the knowledge that if they repeat it enough people will start to believe it. And you know, people DO start to believe it. Both sides do it but it's become a mainstay of the far right recently.

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I thought you might like this link, ugie1028.

I found it because I had submitted your thread here to D.I.G.G.

It currently had 2200 + D.I.G.G.'s on there.

Mr. 9/11 Gets Amnesia: 'We Had No Domestic Attacks Under Bush; We've Had One Under Obama' (VIDEO)

I do not know of this website, other than through D.I.G.G., and I have not vetted it as an actual news source, but I thought it was interesting that the people who have read it on D.I.G.G. have "D.U.G.G." it so much.

Quote from :

Mr. 9/11 Gets Amnesia: 'We Had No Domestic Attacks Under Bush; We've Had One Under Obama' (VIDEO)

Rudy Giuliani, the man who was mayor of New York City during the 9/11 attacks, appeared on Good Morning America today to say President Obama should take lessons from former President George W. Bush on how to prevent a terrorist attack.

Good Morning America : Rudy Guiliani

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

See, he gets into office in 1994, three years prior to P.N.A.C. becoming operational, he's switched political party affiliations three times, Democrat, to Independent, to the Republican party. This is all prior to George W. Bush getting into office, pointing towards collusion, conspiracy, and criminal intent.

That might not hold up in court.

Churchill switched political affiliation. Does that prove he was actually on Hitler's side?

I never said it would hold up in court, but then again any court willing to even hear it, would either be bought, cajoled, or threatened into submission, by those behind the scenes in power, mainly people in Washington D.C.

No, I never said, nor would I that Churchill was on Hitler's side.

Then again, you would be amazed at the correlations between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.

As well the lengths that Churchill went to not only escalate WWI, with pushing the Lusitania into U-Boat infested waters, intentionally setting a wolf-trap at the cost of American and British lives at the quiet agreement of those in power, but how he was manipulating things behind the scenes into assisting F.D.R. in drawing us into WWII through the false pretext of Pearl Harbor and that the Japanese were the first to draw blood, as they were not.

So, this only gives a historical precedents and a look at men in power, and what they are willing to do to draw our countries into war, and while it is not directly related to this thread, or even the events of 9/11, it is indirectly tied to the events of that day through many strings of manipulative power of those wolves in power, like F.D.R., Churchill, Stalin, Hitler, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Guilaini.

My evidence to corroborate all of this data and my findings and conclusions?

I will give you a list of books and if you go find them, great, if you do not, well that's your choice, but I know how much proof I have right now about 9/11.

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution

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Wall Street and F.D.R. (on my list to read)

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

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The Game of the Foxes

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The Medusa Project

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

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A further look into WWII will show the lengths those in power will go to, just to curry favor.

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Quote from : Wikipedia : I.B.M. and the Holocaust

IBM and the Holocaust, by Edwin Black, is a book documenting the relationship between IBM and the Third Reich. Crown Publishing and a consortium of other leading publishers worldwide published it in 2001 in more than forty countries in fourteen languages.

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation

Amazon Review :

Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution?

That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.

Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth.

"IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black.

"IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."

The crucial technology was a precursor to the computer, the IBM Hollerith punch card machine, which Black glimpsed on exhibit at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, inspiring his five-year, top-secret book project. The Hollerith was used to tabulate and alphabetize census data.

Black says the Hollerith and its punch card data ("hole 3 signified homosexual ... hole 8 designated a Jew") was indispensable in rounding up prisoners, keeping the trains fully packed and on time, tallying the deaths, and organizing the entire war effort.

Hitler's regime was fantastically, suicidally chaotic; could IBM have been the cause of its sole competence: mass-murdering civilians?

Better scholars than I must sift through and appraise Black's mountainous evidence, but clearly the assessment is overdue.

The moral argument turns on one question: How much did IBM New York know about IBM Germany's work, and when?

Black documents a scary game of brinksmanship orchestrated by IBM chief Watson, who walked a fine line between enraging U.S. officials and infuriating Hitler.

He shamefully delayed returning the Nazi medal until forced to--and when he did return it, the Nazis almost kicked IBM and its crucial machines out of Germany.

(Hitler was prone to self-defeating decisions, as demonstrated in How Hitler Could Have Won World War II.)

Edwin Black : IBM and the Holocaust


I could put the entire conglomerate of the Project for the New American Century away for life for war crimes against our own nation, as well as many other nations which were drawn into the Iraq War, the Afghanistan "conflict", and many other future conflicts I see coming.

You may wonder at how any of these books relate to Rudy Guiliani, and I will explain that he is of the same caliber of people I have listed within this thread as well as others, in being an extremely corrupt individual, and all of those books link to other people who have made choices similar to his in order to get power.

The reason I have not done it yet?

Quite simply because the things I know I would have to do off of ATS, and into politics to get them done, to keep many people from completely botching the investigation, to keep people from being bought, cajoled, or killed, in order to get it done.

The events of 9/11 had little to nothing to do with the World Trade Center Towers.

It had everything to do with power, money, and intelligence gathering principles.

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And it all ties back to Afghanistan in the 70's, 80's, and 90's.

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But, then again, most people do not know about "Operation Cyclone".

Personally, with Rudy Guiliani getting into the office in 1994, makes me wonder about his getting it to begin with, and brings the World Trade Center Bombing of 1993 into a new light as suspect and being potentially the seminal event which landed him his job as Mayor.

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Seeing as a large part of the 19 hi-jacker's of 9/11 were from Saudi Arabian nationals, this as well brings a very difficult relationship between the Bush family and the Al Saud family, and the oil rich families into play with regards to the motives of those who used 9/11 as a pretext, falsely, I might add, to get us tied into the Iraq War to begin with.

Rudy Guilani switched political parties, primarily, for whatever reason he would tell you.

Personally, I believe I am a lot closer to the mark than most, when examining not only the events of that day because I am not strictly a "Original Story" verses the misnomer of the "Truther" version of the story, but a middle path, where not only was Osama bin Laden responsible, but so was former Vice-President Dick Cheney, through Bush being an ignorant patsy, and utilizing Rudy Guilani as someone who could keep his big mouth shut long after the "investigation", if you can call that joke of the 9/11 Commission, a real investigation, was over.

See, to me, Rudy Guilini was the linchpin securing New York Government cooperation.

Truth and Lies of 9/11 : Mike Ruppert, C.I.A. Drug Running, and Your Government

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I think I agree wtih Jon Stewart in that I think Guiliani gets money every time he says 9/11 and terrorist.

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You're going to want to see this post over on the Truth and Lies of 9/11 thread, ugie1028.

Tower 7 Occupants Just Happened To Be Power Brokers...

Quote from :

Truth and Lies of 9/11 : Mike Ruppert, C.I.A. Drug Running, and Your Government : Page 7

You do know that Guiliani's office was in Tower 7, right?

[edit on 11-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Rudy G admitting he had advanced knowledge the Twin Towers were going to collapse. Also, he did not set up shop at WTC Building 7, which is also alleged evidence of advanced knowledge of an attack. Nothing more needs to be said.





[edit on 11-1-2010 by SphinxMontreal]

Originally posted by nixie_nox
I think I agree wtih Jon Stewart in that I think Guiliani gets money every time he says 9/11 and terrorist.

Well, think about the power of that event, even to this day.

It's like pulling Pearl Harbor out of the memories of WWII victims, veterans, and citizens who were alive on that fateful day, the power of the memory is quite similar to what is called Stockholm Syndrome.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Stockholm Syndrome

In psychology, the Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express adulation and have positive feelings towards their captors that appear irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.

While uncommon, the FBI’s Hostage Barricade Database System shows that roughly 27% of victims show evidence of stockholm syndrome.

The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg in Stockholm, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28, 1973.

In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their captors, and even defended them after they were freed from their six-day ordeal.

The term "Stockholm Syndrome" was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.

It was originally defined by psychiatrist Frank Ochberg to aid the management of hostage situations.

Now, for those "Official Story" believers, this would be tantamount to being held hostage, by any group of people powerful enough to keep pumping, pushing, and programming the citizens with that story, whether it was the truth or a lie, about 9/11.

The reverse of this for those "Truthers" out there, would be their mistrust of Government, and that they believe so strongly that their Government is guilty of corruption, on many levels, and that they have had experience, whether negative or not, or know someone who has, or had a family member screwed over by Government somehow, and they believe that story, whether true or not, from their family member.

So, suffering "Stockholm Syndrome" either way, there are far more victims of 9/11, either the collective conscious of society, or the "fringe element" of society being essentially tossed on their collective butts.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

If you think about an episode of the X-Files, you will get the analogy.

No, it is not the episode where apparent "advance knowledge" was broadcast.

Pusher (The X-Files)

Quote from : Wikipedia : Pusher (The X-Files)

"Pusher" is a 1996 episode of The X-Files television series.

It was the seventeenth episode broadcast in the show's third season.

"Pusher" surrounds the agent's dispute of a serial killer who can convince people to do whatever he says.

The Bitter End (The X-Files)


Instead of Robert Patrick Modell's "cerulean blue", it would be 9/11.

X-Files demonstrated this very property as working through the usage of Robert Patrick Modell, in "pushing" Robert Patrick into everyone's consciousness, so that the introduction of future Agent John Doggett would flow smoother, thereby demonstrating through principle of the episodes of "Pusher", that this is in fact a real thing done, in essence a form of subliminal messaging, similar to backmasking.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Backmasking

Backmasking (also known as backward masking) is a recording technique in which a sound or message is recorded backward onto a track that is meant to be played forward.

Backmasking is a deliberate process, whereas a message found through phonetic reversal may be unintentional.

Backmasking was popularized by The Beatles, who used backward vocals and instrumentation on their 1966 album Revolver.

Artists have since used backmasking for artistic, comedic, and satiric effect, on both analog and digital recordings.

The technique has also been used to censor words or phrases for "clean" releases of songs.

Backmasking has been a controversial topic in the United States since the 1980s, when allegations from Christian groups of its use for Satanic purposes were made against prominent rock musicians, leading to record-burning protests and proposed anti-backmasking legislation by state and federal governments.

Whether backmasked messages exist is in debate, as is whether backmasking can be used subliminally to affect listeners.

Backmasking, is similar in function in this arena, as psychological programming.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Psychological Programming

Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a controversial approach to psychotherapy and organisational change based on "a model of interpersonal communication chiefly concerned with the relationship between successful patterns of behaviour and the subjective experiences (esp. patterns of thought) underlying them" and "a system of alternative therapy based on this which seeks to educate people in self-awareness and effective communication, and to change their patterns of mental and emotional behaviour".

The co-founders, Richard Bandler and linguist John Grinder, claimed it would be instrumental in "finding ways to help people have better, fuller and richer lives".

They coined the title to denote their belief in a connection between neurological processes ('neuro'), language ('linguistic') and behavioral patterns that have been learned through experience ('programming') and that can be organised to achieve specific goals in life.

NLP was originally promoted by its co-founders in the 1970s as an effective and rapid form of psychological therapy, capable of addressing the full range of problems which psychologists are likely to encounter, such as phobias, depression, habit disorder, psychosomatic illnesses, learning disorders.

It also espoused the potential for self-determination through overcoming learned limitations and emphasized well-being and healthy functioning.

Later, it was promoted as a 'science of excellence', derived from the study or 'modeling' of how successful or outstanding people in different fields obtain their results.

It was claimed that these skills can be learned by anyone to improve their effectiveness both personally and professionally.

Despite its popularity, NLP has been largely ignored by conventional social science because of issues of professional credibility and insufficient empirical evidence to substantiate its models and claimed efficacy.

It appears to have little impact on academic psychology, and limited impact on mainstream psychotherapy and counselling.

However, it had some influence among private psychotherapists, including hypnotherapists, to the extent that some claim to be trained in NLP and apply it to their practice.

NLP had greater influence in management training, life coaching, and the self-help industry.

What organization knows "psychologocial programming" inside and out?

Why, the tenants of Tower 7, one organization within in particular.

None other than the Central Intelligence Agency.

Tower 7 Occupants Just Happened To Be Power Brokers...

CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA


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I just submitted this thread as a new thread on 9/11.

New Operation Northwoods Theory Twist : Laser Guided Plane, Tower 7, and the WTC Observation Deck

Quote from :

Quick question for everyone,

What do you think of the Operation Northwoods theory about 9/11?

The reason I ask is because I was posting on two other 9/11 threads, yesterday, about the infamous Tower 7, and I noticed the angle of the picture (3rd picture, The original 7 World Trade Center from the WTC observation deck, August 14, 1992), and the name of a hunter's Stalking Horse came to me, about Laser Guided Vehicle's and Laser Guidance like when soldier's will "paint a target" for a missile when in combat with a fighter pilot, except I'm thinking along the Operation Northwoods/remote controlled plane in a new twist on 9/11.

I was posting on this thread and the one below which is what triggered the new thread.

Truth and Lies of 9/11 : Mike Ruppert, C.I.A. Drug Running, and Your Government

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Good grief (again)...

Giuliani is nothing more than an attack dog for the "Fright-Wing Republican" party.

He stepped on his wang with the initial comment, because what he was TRYING to do was simply criticize President Obama over the December 25th incident --- the "underwear bomber". AND try to promote the inane GOP, Dick Cheney/Karl Rove, et al, line about how good ole' GWB kept us "safe", and he was the only one that could, etc, etc, etc....

It was just Giuliani showing his true colors (again). This time, he's added a lot of egg-yolk yellow too.

(Would be fun to find all of the various revisions he's made, as he's back-pedaled...they're out there on YT, I would imagine).