Why Memories of Our Previous Lifetimes are Wiped!

Originally posted by mapsurfer_
Pffft.... crazy thread. reincarnated from from a previous life sounds like a highly improbable theory. If this is based on memory, who is to say this memory didn't come from a dream or influenced by media or any number of sources which are far more likely. Holding an identity from a previous life would be something that would be impossible to prove so why waste the time?

It's a relative thing. My truth is for me to interpret and me alone. Plus I don't see spiritual advancement as a waste of time and when you pile memories on top of each other the picture becomes clearer. And I wouldn't expect those who have been sucked into the system (like yourself it seems) to understand!

Originally posted by Mr Green

Yes this is the nature of spiritual death. You loose your connection to the divine and back you are sent in a state of forgetfulness. I have become suspicious of this "go into the light" and have heard real salvation is found in facing the abyss. It is beyond this that the true light exists.

You DO NOT want to face the abyss. I remember/re-live that every day here for the past 43 years, and I know that when I die that I will face it again, and that thought terrifies me. No matter how I die, my final breath here will be a scream. The creature that lives in/is the abyss may or may not grant salvation. If it doesn't grant salvation the alternative is true, complete, and utter spiritual death. I got lucky once, "malevolence" talked "benevolence" and in turn, the abyss, to give me another chance. I doubt I'll get lucky again.

Originally posted by SpacePunk

You DO NOT want to face the abyss.

Do you mean I DO NOT want to because it is so terrible or that I do NOT NEED to? I have heard there is no choice, that we will face this abyss upon body death. I have heard also of this creature/creatures and it is up to them where we go. That they ask questions and that we better have the right answers or back we are sent. Can you tell me some of your memories please, if its not too painful?

Thanks.

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Your post on how you see everything is amazing. It is one of the best posts Ive seen in ages. You write how all this is so well.

Originally posted by Mr Green

Originally posted by SpacePunk

You DO NOT want to face the abyss.

Do you mean I DO NOT want to because it is so terrible or that I do NOT NEED to?
Thanks.

You won't have any choice. It does not think like 'we' do, not the same motivations, wants, needs, desires, it doesn't comprehend malevolence, or benevolence in and of itself. That is why there is 'Jesus' and 'Satan' (in other religious cultures they have their own name). It's a completely, totally, alien creature to our frame of reference, even when you are facing it. It doesn't hate, love, or care. You are just utterly painfully insignificant to it. You hold more significance in the whole of this universe than you do to what lives in/is the abyss. Unless someone remembers, they have no comprehension, and it's impossible to put it completely in our frame of reference. It doesn't even do it's own dirty work of destruction, it has two 'things', beasts if you want to call them that, that do that for it which makes me wonder if it has an inability to exist outside of the brane that it is/in.

From my understanding;we are simply here in physical form because the Ego mind thinks there is a meaning behind this world of illusion and that it has to come back to seek revenge for past life injustices. In reality we write the definitions of beliefs on a benign neutral world.
In essence when we are born in to the world, it is a blank canvas again for which we can learn to be pure infinite love and forgive and heal others consciously instead of reliving past life subconscious fears and acting them out again and making an artwork of war and hate.
We finally stop coming back when we learn to paint a picture of Happiness, joy, peace and love to our fellow Beings in each and every moment of time and space

[edit on 11-1-2010 by Epsillion70]

I clearly remember being forced to come here. I have told only a few people in my life because it sounds so rediculous and they'll just think I am crazy anyway.

I resisted as hard as I could, literally kicked and screamed but 'they' had no compassion or remorse. They were completely unaffected by the emotional intensity and only conveyed to me that it was necessary and was definately NOT a choice.

I am disgruntled to this day because I never wanted to come here in the first place and am pissed off that I was forced to. This place sucks and I want to go home!!!!

Originally posted by pharaohmoan

Sorry doesn't make any sense to me. As Spock would say "It is illogical" For me there is only one get out clause and that is they are here to rescue God! Imo it is ony something of that magnitude which would entice someone to leave bliss and enter hell, think about it!

Rescue God? Maybe we are in fact trap inside some kind of Matrix, but hardship has always been infinity's way to makes us learn. I do not see God needing us in any way.

How is that reincarnation is possible in the first place? How is that we are not all powerful entities from the beginning?

If we are eternal beings and we are under development, then it makes sense the reincarnation and the need to do a big number of reincarnations. Long time means nothing when you are eternal... right?

Would you say that although we are not aware of any previous lives, do we remain the same from life to life?

If we are inside some kind of trip, what would you advice to us, ignorant prisoners?

Originally posted by SpacePunk
It doesn't even do it's own dirty work of destruction, it has two 'things', beasts if you want to call them that, that do that for it which makes me wonder if it has an inability to exist outside of the brane that it is/in.

Yes thats right "Three will come" . I have read about these . Only those who remember have any chance of passing them.

You remember seeing them yet you came back. Did they not like your answers, can you remember them asking you anything?

[edit on 12-1-2010 by Mr Green]

Mortality as entertainment.


If we remembered who and what we are, .... we simply wouldn't care as much, because we know of our immortality. Suicide would be common. This world would hold the significance of say " world of warcraft"

only while your dreaming does it seem so real. and it is that experience we crave. ... to feel, .... to be.

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Thanks, and there I was thinking it came across as a rush-job post. It's a topic I'm very interested in, I've been researching it for a while.

Pharoahman- I don't myself believe in a personal God as such, ie I don't see "God" as an individual entity. I prefer to consider the term "the force" ...as in an energy souce that permeates the entire universe and binds it together so to speak. Animates it, enables it to exists. And as we are all connected to the universe and share the same basic chemical makeup of other things in the universe, I view us and the source as one and the same, an extension OF it, not something separate from it we are to look up to or measure ourselves against. I do not subscribe to the idea of an entity existing who can "save" us, "reward" us etc...I believe we are all self-determining beings , answerable only to our own selves, our own consience. The notion of a supreme being is something mankind imagined up , perhaps having been exposed in the past to extremely advanced beings, the ones many ancient texts talked about who flew around in sky ships and had terrifying weapons. The ones who came to Earth and kickstarted the whole concept of reincarnation to begin with........

It has been quite an eye-opener to read this thread. What I found most interesting is the almost complete absence of posters who say that reincarnation is not what happens and that most of this spiritual stuff is just blather. When I was young in North America quite the reverse would have been true.

Personally, I don't believe our previous life memories are wiped. We just don't recognize them when they well up and if/when we actually try to recover them, we look in all the wrong places and do the wrong things.

One poster brought up the problem of distinguishing between dreams and memories. That's a very valid issue. In the current life we have memories and we have dreams. If we are very still our memories can manifest as a little dream or vision. So what is the difference between a "dream" and a memory?

Dreams are like film fiction while memories are like film documentary.

Without titles and credits how do you tell the difference? You must look at the content and use your intelligence both in an active and in a passive , expectant sort of way. Then you will succeed or you will fail to make the distinction.

Past life memories would be fantastically useful if you were living your past life, but in the present life they are not of much use, except in the cases where hypnotic regression has helped people with psychological or emotional problems caused by past life trauma.

The vast, vast, vast majority of past life memories are relatively inconsequential just as the vast, vast, vast majority of all the detailed actions we perform in this life are relatively inconsequential and will not be worth remembering in a future life.

I don't mean to be negative but I personally believe that an undue interest in past lives can actually derail people from dealing with spiritual issues in their current life. There is an escapist element to it.

[edit on 12-1-2010 by ipsedixit]

The more I learn the more I am realizing that we are living on a prison planet....no......prison reality. We are all a part of a VERY sophisticated computer program and were lured into investigating this phenomenon we call 'physical reality' and then we were trapped in it.

Why do we ALL naturally fear death??? It is programming! We can't have all of the slaves offing themselves can we?

What a very well thought out system.
Here's my take on it.

We were (and are) all perfect in every way in every sense of the word.

We (not necessarily at the same "time") were tricked into investigating this
very interesting illusion at some point.

Once trapped, we were subject to incarnation (the fall of man) into this very thick/dense illusory reality where the law of attraction/Karma still applies but with a much slower turn around time, thus ensuring that we never catch on to the the workings of the universe. If we were to all have instant karma we would grow the hell up in a BIG hurry.

Add to this the complete wiping of our memories of existing prior to our fall not to mention being dupped into investigating this illusion.

Now we are up to the point where we have lived an entire physical existence. NOW WHAT? We re-enter the astral realm where thais whole mess started and are captured/intercepted and forced to enter the illusion again but not before our memory of the life we just lived is completely wiped. We can't have the slaves remember can we? Where I come from, knowledge is power. The more knowledge, the better. I don't have knowledge of my former life so I am at a handicap, and so are each and every one of you.

Now, even if the slaves do retain some memory of the greatest conspiracy against their own being the masters have cleverly built into the programm an irrational fear of physicall death thus ensuring that even if the slaves do wake up they will still obey their programming, not to mention that even if they override their fear of death programming they will still be intercepted upon physical death.

Which brings me to this. WHY?!!!!!! Why the need for an illusory reality????

Are you sitting down?

The entities that created this illusory reality did so as a means of self preservation. The only way they can exist is by feeding off of a negative polarity. They need to create this negative polarity. They need to create and feed off of fear in order to ensure their survival. OUR FEAR!!!!!
We are not by nature prone to war, fighting, fear, hatred, anger and so on. We are manipulated in to generating this for 'them'

The more adult human exist the better for them. For, children do not generate nearly as much 'fear' into the system as adult humans do thus the programming to fear physical death. But, as I said, we sometimes override that programming at which point we are promtly returned as children once again at which point we are somewhat useless as fear generators until an older age.

Now, all of this is only MY opinion and mine alone. I do not profess to know all of the answers. These are the conclusions I have reached due to years of independant research into occult knowledge and my very early memories of life before physical incarnation as I have already mentioned.. Take what you will from it.



[edit on 12-1-2010 by The Lord and Savior]

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Couldn't have put it better myself. Nice one.

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What a brilliant post

So whats the answer? To live with no fear what so ever? I have tryed that and this automatic programme seems to switch on, no matter how much I try to over come fear and tell myself over and over to have NO fear it still kicks in. It is as if some thing is going against my actual souls wishes. Im really trying to get more aware astrally and recently have had some sucess with astral travel but fear is my worst enemy. I am getting better but I do wonder how Id cope with say the Three creatures in the abyss??? I get scared when I astrally project into an endless void of darkness, Id really struggle with terrible frightening creatures. Im SO sick of this in built fear mechanism, it is holding me back in discovering the ways of this illusion.

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The answers that I have found are;

DO NOT RESIST FEAR!!!

resistance creates misery and misery is of a negative polarity which then feeds into the system. See how clever the whole thing is? In your attempts to 'fight' the system you are feeding the system and making it stronger. Kind of like those chineese fingercuffs we used to play with when we were kids. The harder you pull the tighter it gets.

Accept your fears but then love them. Yes, LOVE your fears. DON"T FIGHT THEM! For god's sake don't hate them. Cuddle them like you would a baby. Acknowledge them, face them, and Love them.

It is going to feel as weird as forgiving the man who murdered your only child but IT MUST BE DONE or else you are in danger of feeding the system.

In the end, there is no good or bad. No Good or Evil. No benevolance or malevolance. If you think about it there is only resistance and acceptance.

Think of every "good" thing that has ever happened to you. Now, good is a word and that's all it is. But, let's talk about what was going on inside of you when something "good" happened to you. I'll just bet that when something "good" happened to you, you accepted it and why not? There was no reason to do otherwise.

Now then, what about when something "bad" happened to you?? Did you accept it? NO! otherwise it wouldn't have been labeled "bad". You probably resisted it.

So, put away words like "good" and "bad" and you are left with resistance and acceptance. Or put another way, Love and Fear.

Yes but resistance and acceptance are only words too aren't they?
Yes, but they are words that describe something very real. whereas good and bad aren't real. Can you "bad" someone? Can you "good" someone?
And then who's to say what is good and what is bad anyway?
While you may not be able to "good" someone, you CAN accept/love them.
You may not be able to 'bad' someone either but you CAN resist/reject them.

So, I would say to you try to always accept. DO NOT AVOID RESISTANCE! "Avoid" would be of a negative polarity and would then be feeding into the system AGAIN!!! Rather just accept. or LOVE! Aren't they one and the same?

What's the difference between acceptance and 'avoiding resistance' you say? When asked if she would join an anti war rally, Mother Theresa replied, " I will never attend an anti war rally but show me a pro peace rally and I'll be there". Huge difference. An anti war rally is feeding the system by being 'against' something. 'Against' is of a negative polarity and thus, feeds the system AGAIN!!!

When you "love" someone don't you "accept" them for who they are?
When your mother or father accept you for who you are how do you feel? Loved? Same thing really.

Always accept or love.

"Every man has demons. We call these demons fear, and hatred, and anger. If we do not learn to conquer these demons a lifetime of a hundred years is a tradgedy. But, if we do, then a lifetime of a single day can be a triumph".


Bottom line, Become a useless slave. They don't need a bunch of "love" clogging up their programme.It is a virus to their hard drive. The programme can't run properly with the love virus.You will not only become useless to them but a very real threat.


Again, these are only my own paranoid delusions/conclusions learned from my own research into hidden knowledge and personal experience. I reserve the right to be wrong and feel I need to add this disclaimer because I refuse to get roped into a pissing contest with a professional debunker and have to provide "proof" for my claims. This is reality as I see it and the worst thing that could happen if I am wrong is I will have lived a life of acceptance/Love. and is that such a "bad" thing?







[edit on 12-1-2010 by The Lord and Savior]

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Hi thats really good advice actually. Thanks. no one has ever said dont resist it and accept it most people say fight it, attempt to remove it but I can see how your way of thinking would really work. Surrender to it in a way, accept it and then embrace it. I will try this next time Im confronted with it. Its kind of like living in the Now, a technique that guides us into accepting ALL that is within us and around us, to not fight anything but to accept it.

Thanks.

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A great post, I really resonate with your conclusions. When I first began to see things in this way I naturally googled some search terms to see if anyone else was thinking along similar lines - I soon realized that it is a minority view of reincarnation, in fact I could count on one hand the number of articles I came across after extensive searching. The few articles I did find spoke much as you and myself and pharoahman have concluded yet there were hundreds of thousands of articles discussing reincarnation in the familiar way, ie not approaching it with any suspicion whatsoever. As for books on the subject well you won't find a single one out of the hundreds that have been publicized that approach the subject of reincarnation from this minority view .

So there are two very clever programmes at work that each work to trap souls in the astral matrix - (1) the religious view of heaven and hell or everlasting life on earth V annihilation of the soul at Judgement day and (2) reincarnation. If you added up the total numbers who subscribe to either camp you could be talking about 4 billion souls already hoodwinked. Then the vast majority who do not fall into these camps would comprise those who are just confused or uncertain about what to believe (easy prey when they have crossed over) or those who just believe you die and that's the end of it - oblivion (easy prey too no doubt). The fraction of the human race who might see things in this totally different way must surely be miniscule by comparison !!

It's a highly effective programme isn't it ? The ancient texts and belief systems that grew out of them or inspired them were invariably filled with tales of gods from the sky with super-powers....it would seem that both the heaven/hell concept AND the reincarnation concept were inspired by things humans were taught/led to believe by these visitors.

My question to you now is how do YOU think we can avoid being ensnared again when we cross over next...will our awareness be enough to help us break through the illusions we will face on the other side ? Should we avoid entering the white light we hear so much great press about ?

It sometimes feels like Earth is just level one if we compare our situation to a "game". That the astral relams is a harder level again for no doubt once we find ourselves there we will be met by various entities who might all have an agenda. How can we even trust that some dead relative we are met by is even really that person, and not some programme the ETs have devised to trick us in some way ? All I have managed to conclude myself is not to buy into any talk of reincarnation being a good thing necessary for my personal development and to avoid the white light.....can you recommend any good reading ?

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I would start with The Ra Material if you haven't already. That should take few months to digest. I am not a huge fan of 'channeled' material but it is very compelling and a great read whether you're into that sort of thing or not.

I am not evolved by any means. I lose my temper and have a knack for putting people in their place which can be very 'negative' at times. The difference is, I know when I am feeding the system and when I am being a nuesance to the system, which is the first step I think. We all have to start somewhere. The problem is, most people NEVER START to begin with.
It is all too easy to actually live out an entire lifetime on this earth and never suspect a thing.

Now, moving right along.

If you were a mouse and you were scurrying along doing whatever it is that mice do, and you were very hungry and you came accross a tasty morsel of cheese wouldn't you naturally go to the cheese and try to eat it?
It is appetizing, it is appealing, and it "feels like the right thing to do".

From your point of view and limited perspective there would be no reason NOT to go for the cheese. Forget your crazy mouse uncle who told you never to go for the cheese because it was as good as commiting suicide. He's a nut job anyway who spends too much time on the internet.(yes mice have internet access) So you do what any warm blooded mouse would do, you go for the cheese and then...........SNAP!!!! Should have listen to your crazy mouse uncle.

The point is, traps are meant to be enticing, attractive, appealing,and provocative at times. They aren't supposed to have pictures of skulls and crossbones or the international nuclear symbol on them. They aren't going to have little green stickers of Mr. Yuck on them. (am I the only one who remembers Mr. Yuck)lol. They are meant to lure you in. The are pleasant and hospitable. They are everythng you want them to be.

Now I can talk all the smack I want but when the time comes it is going to be tough to resist the temptation of giong towards the light I'm sure.

What I will do is FIGHT to remain conscious. I will fight to retain my memory. and I will put my trust that if there is a grand creator he will understand why I might be leery and apprehenisive about going towards any lights. I will not let negativity affect my decisions. If I am told that I am anything other than a perfect creation then it will be a red flag to me personally. How can we be anything other than a perfect creation as we stand here today?? The lives we live out from day to day may not be perfect. We may not be liveing in harmony with nature or eachother but that has been manipulated and foisted upon us.

I am a perfect creation who has no need to 'come back' and 'learn lessons'. This is utter nonsense. How can you improve upon perfection???? YOU CAN"T! If you are going to try to get me to believe that I am anything other than a perfect creation as I stand then I already know everything I need to know about you and your agenda.

Bottom line is, I don't know what the right answer is. Resistance is futile I can tell you that much. I kicked and screamed and fought with everything I had to try and avoid coming here and look what it got me.

I hope that because of the knowledge that I have gained thus far I will be better prepared the next go-round.You know what they say, "Forwarned is forarmed".

[edit on 13-1-2010 by The Lord and Savior]

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I didn't read the rest of the thread yet, so this might be a repeat, but here it goes anyway... It is voluntary and self imposed. If you retained all of the 'baggage' that you have from previous lives, it would inhibit that which you need to learn in this one. That is why we are truly here, to learn. Nothing more, nothing less. I think there was an Outer Limits episode in which everyone retained their past life memories, and it was a complete disaster... There are those who do choose to retain some, if not all, of their past life memories... The Dali Lama is a prime example.