Global freeze and sunspots

I remember reading this article in the Times re: Sunspots being at an all time low:

It was the Sun wot did it

The key thing about this article was that it was written in Nov 2009.
Quote from mthe artice

The difference of opinion hinges on what role — if any — the Sun plays in climate change. The vast majority of climate scientists maintain that the solar influence is limited or even negligible, and it is the unsustainable growth of industrialised nations that is driving the climate into chaos. The mavericks contend that the Sun’s activity dwarfs the human contribution, and that there is nothing we can do except wait for the Sun to change.

Has it proved prophetic as we in UK stay under a blanket of snow for the third week running?

It is winter. Your gonna get snow. One cold winter doesn't negate anything and it is pretty silly and uneducated to imply so.

We have had a solar minimum going on for quite some time. Yet there was record breaking heat all over the planet in 2005.

The most important test for proving a scientific theory is predictability.

Score one for the sunspot theory...so far

But this again illustrates the incredible intricacies and unknown (or ignored) variables involved in climate prediction.

And all current predictive models are anything but complete or indisputable.

You know, I find it really weird how the weather in Europe has been so cold and yet where I live, where normal temperatures are usually at -30 Celsius at this time of year, have been a "warm" -5 to -20 Celsius.... I don't get it!

If there is a correlation between sunspots and climate on Earth, why would it make the warmer parts colder and the colder parts warmer? Quite the conundrum!

Magnum

Originally posted by nixie_nox


It is winter. Your gonna get snow. One cold winter doesn't negate anything and it is pretty silly and uneducated to imply so.

Not as silly as implying that scientists who question your faith are silly and uneducated.

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Yes, I am noticing the same thing but I am not complaining. Let the others suffer for a while.

Originally posted by Deny Arrogance

Not as silly as implying that scientists who question your faith are silly and uneducated.

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't get what you are saying here.

Guys, come on. We can put a rest to this debate right now.

We were all taught from Captain Planet (written by Ted Turner) that man made global warming is real. That was almost 20 years ago.

So of course its all because of man.

To think that something like the Sun's level of radiation emitted would effect the Earth's temperature is "silly and uneducated".

I mean, it's not like we get every single degree of energy in the earth's atmosphere from the sun, right?

/sarcasm

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I thought it was fairly obvious. AGW alarmists frequently resort to ad hominem attacks towards anybody who questions the AGW theory, even bonafide scientists in this instance. They have decided that the popular AGW theory is set in stone and infallible. That moves beyond science and into faith.

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Thanks for the explanation. I still can't figure out what the difference is between global warming and climate change myself. If the earth gets warmer, the weather will react in a way that some will say proves the earth isn't warming, but I am not so sure.

No sunspots arent to blame

I believe a pole shift is likely to happen some point.
this winter was caused by the north pole current waves.

For the love of Pete... How many times are we going to do this?
Global warming is a farce. Anyone can look back at ACTUAL, UNALTERED climate data and see there are regular cycles throughout history. Up,down,up,down,up,down, over and over with some global catastrophes thrown in the mix. The temperatures change. Always have, always will, with or without us.

Originally posted by seattletruth
Guys, come on. We can put a rest to this debate right now.

We were all taught from Captain Planet (written by Ted Turner) that man made global warming is real. That was almost 20 years ago.

So of course its all because of man.

To think that something like the Sun's level of radiation emitted would effect the Earth's temperature is "silly and uneducated".

I mean, it's not like we get every single degree of energy in the earth's atmosphere from the sun, right?

/sarcasm

What gets hot fastest, a white car parked in the sunlight or a black car parked in the same sunlight?

All the heat is coming from the sun, right?

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What scientist? I didn't see a scientist writing the article. And the majority of scientists believe that there is man made global warming, or at least influence at the very least.

lets take this so called theory of sunspots affecting the climate. How do you know that we are not supposed to be in an ice age? And that the northern continents should be covered with ice at this point? And man made global warming has negated that?

reply to post by Deny Arrogance


Says the people who call GW supporters alarmists, scammers, and hoaxers.

Hi.

I would say all heat comes from the sun.
But !!
Our athmosphere is what keeps the heat here. Otherwise we would have had boiling tempretures during daytime and instant freeze at night.

Look at Venus. The Moon. Mars.

Global warming can also cause global cooling.

The worlds conveyer belt is transporting heat. If it stops...
A mailfunction can be triggerd by global warming.

reply to post by nixie_nox


The Sunspots stopped in early 2008. They are still absent. Its gonna get cold.
Really Cold!!

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Deny Arrogance

 

What scientist? I didn't see a scientist writing the article. And the majority of scientists believe that there is man made global warming, or at least influence at the very least.

lets take this so called theory of sunspots affecting the climate. How do you know that we are not supposed to be in an ice age? And that the northern continents should be covered with ice at this point? And man made global warming has negated that?

Did you actually read the article?
The author actually is a scientist reporting findings by other scientists.

Dr Stuart Clark is the author of The Sun Kings: The Unexpected Tragedy of Richard Carrington and the Tale of How Modern Astronomy Began (Princeton)

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so why are so many scientists talking about suing Al Gore? 600 American scientists have signed a petition stating they don't thinks global warming is man made, so have the Japanese.
As regards snow, the UK has not had that much snow for 30 years, and the last three summers were crap as well.
Just how can %0.004 of the atmosphere (CO2) have so much effect on the other %99.006???
I have spent over 2 years reading about this 'global warming' reports and newspaper articles, all on sites in the WWW, its all there, just need to look for it.

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The earth gets its heat and light and photosynthesis and all these good things from the Sun and can't exist without it. From Earth's inception the planet has adapted to take what it needs and keep away what it doesn't. Every entity from bacteria to whales exists on this concept.

If "radiation" as you put it was constantly allowed to come through and effect things, the Earth could of never survived, and we would of all died from cancer a long time ago. Or life would of developed being adapted to radiation. And if every little thing coming from the sun could affect Earth, then imagine the atrocities of what the universe throws at us.

IT is called the atmosphere, and the ozone layer. That is the filter.Yes some heat does get through, but good thing only a little or the Earth would be roasted. Vice versa, it keeps too much heat from escaping and letting it freeze.The atmosphere is a pretty amazing thing.

The same arguent applies to people who think the Sun is warming things up. Then every planet not as protected would be warming up. And every planet not protected would be cooling down.


If the Sun was warming up enough to affect the galaxy and the neighbor planets, life would cease to exist here from being roasted.

The Sun has steadily been brightening for millions of years, yet we still have climate changes.

Funny how skeptics will blaming GW on these amazing universal changes, yet somehow it couldn't be the 6 billion people on the planet.

By the way, sunspots block radiation. So if "radiation" actually heated the planet and caused GW, then lack of sunspots would mean that we would be getting pretty hot, not cold.

As for the Little Ice Age, it is not considered a true ice age by many scientists, it was cooling in just North America and Europe.

Other causes can be considered such as there was increased volcanic activity blocking out the Sun.

And gasp! There was a big decrease in human population due to the Black Plague at the same time.