The War Over Earth

Sorry, but, most people who OP'd this crap would have their moms yelling that it's time to get off the computer.

Please, you live with your mom right?

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

You are right...

That does sound ignorant.

AAC

Ignorant? no...he was spot on, and of course immediately the OP had to change his avatar when he saw that it wasn't brainwashing more people like he wanted to so we would all bow to "Obama...the savior of light who is here to save us all"... even though the man, and his entire administration have established, and signed into law more dictatorial, and repressive laws than any president before him....

The OP probably read one, or two books about the occult and is claming to know about "reality and the spiritual world" and that he is also here to teach us about it.... He needs to grow up, obviously he is about 15 years old, needs some real life experiences, and to read a lot more than one or two books about the paranormal to even skim over the surface of what the paranormal/spiritual world is all about...

The OP, just like Obama are neither "awakened beings" and neither one are "beings of light"... Whoever thinks so needs to start taking their medication sorry to say.

I am 37 years old and I have done a lot of travelling, studied Martial Arts most of my life, and have walked different paths including taking refuge with a Buddhist monk... yes, i did take refuge with a Buddhist monk and learned from him for almost a year but decided not to take the vows. Buddhism is not for me. I have had a lot of experiences in the paranormal, and never taken any illegal drugs, and I know that I haven't even touched the surface of what the spirit world is all about. But I learned enough to see who the fakers are and can spot them a mile away.

Anyway...the OP has FAILED miserably trying to protray Obama, or even himself as some sort of savior that some people want to keep claiming he is, despite the fact that his actions and words prove quite the oposite....

BTW...I am not an enlightened being, and sorry to say neither is any member I have seen so far... We have some good members/people in the website, some really bad elements, some nutcases, and everything in between.

We have seen throughout the years our share of members trying to claim they are some enlightened being, or even alien and that they are here to teach us...yet every one of them has been nothing more than dellusional, or even lunatics sorry to say. The OP is obviously too young, inexperienced and has a God complex mentality....

No one in this site, or in this world is "sort of God"...or "above the country, or above the world" or any other rhetorical BS....

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Originally posted by Syrus Magistus

Originally posted by crimsongod21
wow, i couldnt honestly read most of the "stuff" posted so far in this thread. Why you may ask? Its simple for me to see that even though i do not know the source this seems much more like a regugation of words and not the Ops heartfelt thoughts and theories. Im not saying that he/she doesnt buy into them its just so lopsided that it makes me feel as if he/she doesnt have all the facts available to him/her.

Why would you think the NWO/illuminanti or other world leading power as such if failing now? If you subscribe to the theory that they are in power you must also subscribe that they have been in power for a very long time. Im not talking hundreds of years but most likely thousands, and that the same "people" that are ruling us now are the same that ran Rome. If you think about the state of the world from this time to that time we as a human population have been in much more dire straights. (I.E. the black plague, WWI, WWII, the great depression, The fall of Rome, and so on and so forth.)

To think that you could take down a group or organization such as these via any other way then an armed revolt is astounding to me anyways. The fact of the mater is you couldnt remove them from power even with an armed revolt its not practical at least to me to think its possible. its like saying that you are going to bring down the catholic church using the media (i.e. priest child molestation charges) what did that do oh im sorry they were just bad priest.... go work out of this parish now where no one knows who you are. Its just not really going to happen in my opinion anyways power begits power as they say. The Nwo/illuminati and other of that ilk are not a single headed monster you can take down they are like the hydra (i think thats the right mythical beast anyways been a while since my D&D days ha ha ha) when you remove one head two more will spring up in its place

This being said i dont know if they are in power already fighting for power or what the real case is. i have another post dealing with the illuminanti for any one who wants to read it go here its on page 2

www.abovetopsecret.com...

thanks for listening good day/night depending on your location in this universe

Well, you're somewhat right. The phrasing, in many cases, is taken from other sources, as is the information. You'd be wrong though saying they're not my own heartfelt thoughts and theories. I cherry-picked my beliefs from all the other ones. They're mine now, but you're right that it's still quite imperfect. This is because my capacity to organize information is limited by my own attention span. I challenge you to do better at seventeen years old.

And you're wrong about the Illuminati. They've only been around for about a thousand years in their present form, and they didn't start to take power until about a hundred years ago. They're not unbeatable. They're not gods, seriously. This isn't like some cheesy video game. It's world history.

Violence is what they've prepared for. They've got weapons beyond anything we could get our hands on, so it's really not viable unless practically the whole country revolted, and when that happens they'll be up to their old tricks again. These groups thrive on chaos. A violent revolution wouldn't defeat them. They'd just disappear between the cracks, only to reemerge once we let our guard down. They're like a pestilence. They have to be taken out silently. Just ask the Russians.

Sorry man, credibility zero. important part bolded. You come on here rehashing willcock's ideas, among other peoples', I suppose, with a sense of knowing what the score is(when you don't) and a vague call to action, and you want to be taken seriously? You are the very epitome of what I call a "net ranger". You know nothing. You have no insight. your info here is not only fundamentally flawed(They're BROKE? LOL), it's info you've gotten from other people. You show no original thinking, just the ability to read, re-hash and spew nonsense. How about, you read more, post less, and let the people who actually know what they're talking about, those who are in the world(and not posting from their basement in their spider-man underoos) dealing with these things head-on do the heavy lifting? sit back and learn, son.

reply to post by impaired
Very good question.

and I do think this thread is in it's correct location.

Research, the rabbit hole goes real deep and (IMO) we humans are not completely calling the shots.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Ignorant? no...he was spot on, and of course immediately the OP had to change his avatar when he saw that it wasn't brainwashing more people like he wanted to so we would all bow to "Obama...the savior of light who is here to save us all"... even though the man, and his entire administration have established, and signed into law more dictatorial, and repressive laws than any president before him....

If that's how you feel, I've got no problems changing it back. Maybe it's something you need to see. OBEY

The OP probably read one, or two books about the occult and is claming to know about "reality and the spiritual world" and that he is also here to teach us about it.... He needs to grow up, obviously he is about 15 years old, needs some real life experiences, and to read a lot more than one or two books about the paranormal to even skim over the surface of what the paranormal/spiritual world is all about...

Well, you're half right anyway. I have thumbed through a couple paranormal books, but that's just in between the serious work. I make an effort to practice sometimes too.

The OP, just like Obama are neither "awakened beings" and neither one are "beings of light"... Whoever thinks so needs to start taking their medication sorry to say.

That's pretty harsh. Should everybody who sees the world differently be drugged? I haven't said Obama is an "awakened being", or a "being of light" and I haven't said so of myself either. It's odd how some people have a hard time seeing past what outrages them.

I am 37 years old and I have done a lot of travelling, studied Martial Arts most of my life, and have walked different paths including taking refuge with a Buddhist monk... yes, i did take refuge with a Buddhist monk and learned from him for almost a year but decided not to take the vows. Buddhism is not for me. I have had a lot of experiences in the paranormal, and never taken any illegal drugs, and I know that I haven't even touched the surface of what the spirit world is all about. But I learned enough to see who the fakers are and can spot them a mile away.

That's quite very interesting, that somebody who's been around much longer than me exposed to so much of the great mystery than I have still deals in spades. If everything I know is false, very well. I'll forget everything I know and you can teach me the truth.

Anyway...the OP has FAILED miserably trying to protray Obama, or even himself as some sort of savior that some people want to keep claiming he is, despite the fact that his actions and words prove quite the oposite....

I never stated anything more provocative than perhaps this president is still viable. Clearly I had you at the old avatar, which I'll bring back just for you, and that was enough to judge me. Why do I think you didn't read a thing? Very simple, actually. I know I didn't glorify the president, despite failing to cast him in a negative light. I know this because I went back and double-checked it.

BTW...I am not an enlightened being, and sorry to say neither is any member I have seen so far... We have some good members/people in the website, some really bad elements, some nutcases, and everything in between.

We have seen throughout the years our share of members trying to claim they are some enlightened being, or even alien and that they are here to teach us...yet every one of them has been nothing more than dellusional, or even lunatics sorry to say. The OP is obviously too young, inexperienced and has a God complex mentality....

I can't recall claiming much other than a wealth of information and convictions. I've been pretty respectful and patient, and I never said I was better than anyone. I am very curious, what is it about yourself that you see in me?

No one in this site, or in this world is "sort of God"...or "above the country, or above the world" or any other rhetorical BS...

"Sort of God"? Where did I say that? Who are you quoting? Who said they were "above the country or above the world" and where? Forget that we're all "sort of god" for a minute and dig up where those quotes are from. It'll give you the opportunity to actually read what I said for the first time. Don't let the Alex Grey painting distract you too much.

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reply to post by dragonseeker


I could be the greatest fool in the universe, and I still wouldn't wish to be like you.

This is great practice, by the way. I can see a little of my own weaknesses reflected in you. I'll get better at this sooner or later.

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Originally posted by lpowell0627
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I can't help but feel like there are a group / band of people on ATS that keep going with an all-too-familiar mantra:

It's not Obama. It's not Congress. They have no idea what's REALLY happening. It's the "shadow government". It's the "secret societies". It's the secret attendees of the "elites" that are really in the know....THAT's WHOM we have to go after....

You know what my problem with that is? It's a bug 'ol excuse for inaction. How exactly does one go after a group whose members are a secret? How does one go after a shadow government that nobody can truly identify?

Is it not simply a waste of time to sit and ponder who is really in charge....all the while we are watching our freedoms disintegrate, our money going to support waste and corruption, and watching scores of coffins arrive from those fighting a senseless war.....all at the hands of the people that ARE in charge right NOW!

Now don't misunderstand me. I do believe there is a NWO. I do believe there are elitists running the "ultimate end-game". However, what I completely disagree about is the role that our current and past governments have played.

Why should we just sit back and wait for the "true powers" to be revealed? There are REAL, IDENTIFIABLE people in government positions right now furthering the agenda of unknown / unnamed people. We need to start with them.

It is our current Congress, and our current President, that is continuing the failed policies of the past eight years. Is it merely coincidence that there is an entirely new political party in power right now, but yet the policies of "the other side" are being furthered? Wouldn't it have made more sense that if the POTUS and Congress WERE NOT aware of the NWO agenda that they would have NOT suddenly decided to further what are typically considered "Republican" agendas? Doesn't anyone else find it strange that the separation between political parties is becoming more and more obscure with only HOW they generate waste being the main difference?

The fish rots from the head down. If we want to take back our countries, and try to save what's left of the world from being destroyed by corrupt, greedy politicians, we should stop giving a pass to all those currently elected to represent our needs and desires and begin removing them from office one by one.

Without a puppet government in play, the shadow government will emerge. It is then that they can be identified. It is then that we can start OUR end-game.

I find it completely impossible that Obama and his cronies just happen to be successfully helping the NWO agenda without fully knowing exactly what it is they are trying to accomplish.

By first becoming aware.

Become aware that your aware.


Then you will see (if you allow) how powerful you really are. These secret societies need your power, and they are overjoyed at what you just said. Why because you gave your power to them already.


If you stop, think and learn to be aware of your power in the world, they willl get scared and so they should be. You will only understand this if you do this.

reply to post by Mind1universe


You're absolutely right.

Here, I'll credit this next quote to Wilcock so nobody has to "expose" me. "Don't worship the Illuminati with your fear." Why? Because it's what they want. The majority of their power comes from just our fear.

EDIT: How does everyone like my new avatar? I re-sized it extra-special for ATS.


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reply to post by factbeforefiction


Well actually, I've got my own house and my own business. I'd say I do pretty good for myself.

The work we need to do is, to wake up and know who we truly are, to understand that this is all an illusion and the roles are data, playing in us that we let go of, and start to see the light in everyone. My first on foremost mission is raising frequency and seeing the light in all, and saying, its time to wake up, we are all the family of light here. The back up plan is that I still support in this cosmos the freedom fighters, its just that we also need to do the metaphysics to see through and past the duality. The videos I linked on the ho'onoponopono and the dolphins and whale songs. Anyone doing this and meditating, for several hours a day, will within a a day even notice their frequency changing, within a week and a month, things will change significantly in them.

This topic was a good read like many others that I have found on ATS and the wider internet.

One point the OP made I agree with, and that is the 'digital public' is awake, more so than those on the other side of the fence expect us to be.

I believe the majority of people on forums such as this are well aware of all the points made in this topic, have some level of understanding of what is going on and to a degree can see some of the machinations in place that are designed to hold us down "below the surface" so to speak so we never really rise up to take a breath of fresh air and see the reality of our existence.

But then you have to pose the question to yourself: how do I begin to go about retaliating to an enemy that I can no longer see, hear or want to believe is all around me?

The problem is the full spectrum of TPTB, from the obvious such as frontline puppets aka the government bodies to the not so obvious and sometimes shadow forces that engineer the very world we live in... They are so deeply embedded into our existence it's very hard to even know where to begin.

Which pillar do you take down to weaken the foundations?

Do you even know where the foundations start and they finish?

And how do you expect to do this and with what army when your enemy is not conforming to norms?

The only logical way I can ever see we, the sheeple making any kind of mark on TPTB is one of two things:

1. We all, in concert, one day stand up and go on a mass worldwide strike - simply refuse to sell ourselves any longer, stop paying taxes, stop going to work, stop listening and take our TV's, PC's and Radios and burn them on a big bonfire.

2. Some event takes place out of the control of TPTB that has a cataclysmic affect on the world - some kind of off-earth event that completely fries all technology worldwide instantly.

You see the problem with the above scenarios - the truth is we live in a complex spider web, not knowing where one thread intersects with the other, completely helpless to do anything but submit ourselves unwillingly.

So what's the solution? Patience... have some faith in humanity to one day create hope for you and everyone else.

But everything has to end, birth, death and rebirth or something... it's all cyclic as you go up or down.

I am not religious but I believe in god, I believe there is something out there my spirit turns to when I have lost all hope and because of that I firmly believe there is potential in everyone... we are all enlightened to begin with, just some of us forget from time to time.

That's my two dollars

Originally posted by Syrus Magistus
reply to post by AntiNWO

 

Sure, they're all controlled, but by different factions and to varying degrees. I reference Fox because it's the silliest of the lot. Sorry I lost cred for giving somebody the benefit of the doubt, as there really isn't much in the way of serious evidence.

You didn't give him the benefit of the doubt, you stated unequivocally that Obama is not one of the NWO scum, when an ounce of honest, unbiased observation would tell you that absolutely EVERYTHING he's done since taking office proves otherwise.

And if you're going to make silly immature jabs at only one member of the media while acknowledging that they are all equally guilty ONLY when pressed, then yes, you lose credibility. The liberal slant to the fairy tale you present as unbiased fact is laughable. "Teabaggers"? Yet another childish jab. Yes, you lose credibility for that too. And for the record (because I know another childish jab is coming) I am NOT Republican, nor am I a conservative. I don't belong to either major political party because they are both equally corrupt, whether you want to admit it or not.

Half of what you said is disinfo, pure and simple. As the facts have already been pointed out to you, I won't repeat them. Whether you are here for the purpose of spreading that disinfo, is for the reader to decide. I've made my decision.

reply to post by old_god


Well, the important question is apparently the hierarchy of the conspiracy. You have politics bought off by corporate interests on the surface and everybody who isn't blind sees that level. Leaders of big business frequently swap into the political world. The corporations are involved with a number of significant departments through the military-industrial complex, which controls the UFO cover-up under the monkier MJ-12. Beneath that, you have these esoteric fraternity clubs the politicians and businessmen are a part of those. There's an even stranger cult-like family clan structure under that. These families were directly associated with the rise of the Nazi party and responsible both World Wars, to give you an idea.

If we understand the structure of their control grid, we can dismantle it by exposing discrepancies. This means exposure, and lots of it.

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reply to post by AntiNWO


Yes, I'm a disinformation agent working for President Obama's Department of Verity Volunteer Service. How very astute of you to catch me!


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reply to post by Syrus Magistus


No, you're not an agent of anything except partisan political B.S. dressed up to look like some kind of mystical wisdom. You are a flaming liberal hell bent on criticizing everything and everyone non-liberal. That's it, nothing complicated about you. You are not unique. Your message is not unique. You're just a self-appointed shill for your glorious leader like so many others like you, and happily people are seeing through you.

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Always a pleasure.

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


Sigh. Where is Richard Langdon when we need him?

Originally posted by Riposte
reply to post by Syrus Magistus

 

I guess you're completely unaware, but your post is extremely politically biased. So in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You whine about Fox News, and then go on to complain about the astroturfing going on in the Tea Party movement (which you refer to as the "teabaggers"). All the while leaving out any condemnation of the other side of the political spectrum, which only proves how blind you truly are.

Your use of the word "teabaggers" is language straight out of the power elite's Democratic playbook.

You have been completely hoodwinked; you have bought into the left-right paradigm that the elites use to brainwash the masses.

It's not that Fox News isn't a joke... it most certainly is. But the political bias you just exhibited only serves to prove how misinformed you truly are.

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I'm in total agreement with Rip.

The OP Magis is bang out of order.

Supporting Obama is ok if he deserves supporting, he doesn't.

This is a left-wing support thread for Obama.
If there's one thing you missed about Fox News it is that at least it tries to stay upbeat and positive. Yes it's right-wing but at least they admit that. In fact in a world filled with leftist news media who can blame them?

Maybe something is going to happen in 2012 we'll just have to wait and see, we're in this for the ride that's for sure.

Originally posted by WatchRider

I'm in total agreement with Rip.

The OP Magis is bang out of order.

Supporting Obama is ok if he deserves supporting, he doesn't.

This is a left-wing support thread for Obama.
If there's one thing you missed about Fox News it is that at least it tries to stay upbeat and positive. Yes it's right-wing but at least they admit that. In fact in a world filled with leftist news media who can blame them?

Maybe something is going to happen in 2012 we'll just have to wait and see, we're in this for the ride that's for sure.

For the last time, this is NOT a support thread for Obama. I barely even mention the guy! It's a general call to action against the secret cabals of the New World Order and the so-called Illuminati, as the folks on page two noted. Teabaggers are funny and I've got a sense of humor. Acorn is funny too, but they're not trying to overthrow the government so they're not a good example. It's really offensive when people don't have the courtesy to read whatever they're criticizing, honestly.

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Originally posted by Syrus Magistus
reply to post by dragonseeker

 

I could be the greatest fool in the universe, and I still wouldn't wish to be like you.

This is great practice, by the way. I can see a little of my own weaknesses reflected in you. I'll get better at this sooner or later.

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Ouch. Burrrrned . Keep it up young padawan. You're clueless, but ya got moxie. *slaps OP upside the head.