Do you honestly not think this is a nude image?

I'd rather be stripped searched...
Just because it sounds like more fun.
Make em work for it....

reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7


It's definitely not about who is looking at the pictures, whether they're a pervert or not. Its the fact that your naked body is being exposed. And yes, it is being exposed. If you can see through something, that it might as well not be there, so for the people performing these scans, you are naked. I know i don't want anyone other than my girlfriend to see me naked, and sure as crap not some random person i don't know.

This is a quality of life issue.

Obviously, exposing your children and elderly parent to nude photography is unacceptable — the "security" provided is protecting what, exactly? Our freedom from government intrusion? Too late for that.

The "security" is not worth the degradation.

I'll stop using public transport before I submit to perverse "security" measures. What next? Anal probes?

— Doc Velocity

We've been whipped up into a frenzied state of panic by these terrorists that we believe we elected into office. They create our fear, and then manipulate us into being grateful when they force to submit wholly to them.

I grew up in N Ireland through the troubles, and I'm only 35, so to be honest I missed the worst period of it, but I still saw plenty. I was only a child when the shop my aunt worked in was blown up, and I remember how scary it was waiting to hear whether or not she'd been in work that day. Thankfully, she wasn't, but plenty of other people were.

The one thing that we as a people over here learned and put into practise is to not succumb to fear. If you do, you're beaten. We knew that every Christmas, every time you went shopping for presents you had a much higher chance of getting caught in a bomb scare, or even a bomb. But still the shops were busy, because nobody was going to allow them to beat us. I've had to park my car a mile away from my house during the Drumcree riots, because beside my house there was a road block, and people were hijacking cars and setting light to them in the street. We never gave in, we never allowed our freedoms to be curtailed, we refused to bow to fear.

It amused me listening to Americans talk on 9/11, saying how "the world has lost it's innocence today". What rot. That cherry was popped long ago. What we've lost is our balls. We sit by and watch men get elected into office spouting lies and breaking promises, and we do nothing. We watch buildings fall to the ground that were clearly felled by a controlled explosion, and we then believe it when we're told that a passport survived the inferno that melted steel. We watch our televisions and get programmed to believe whatever we're told, and don't even notice when we're being played and brainwashed.

Future generations will look back on these years, armed with the full story of what the Kings and Knights were up to, and laugh at how foolish the people were, suckered in to the lies. We read stories of the past and we hear all about what was really going on, what lies were told, what audacities were taken, and we s'n-word' at how stupid the humble serfs were for not realising. We're doing the same thing.

Even in recent history, stories like the Suez incident are now commonly understood to have had false flag incidents and conspiracies all through them. It doesn't matter now, it's ok for it to be public knowledge, because that administration is no longer in power, the perpetrators are now long dead, and all the blame can be rested on their shoulders with no come back on anyone. All they needed was to maintain the lie long enough to get the job done, and then the truth can come out. But what you don't seem to realise is that if it ain't broke, it won't be fixed. It works, quite simply. Lie long enough to get what you want, and then it doesn't matter. It's always been a tactic used by governments, religions and monarchs. Do you really think that it's all stopped happening in the last 30 years? Open your eyes.

Edited to say: Seriously? Snig_ger is censored? Really, please, grow a pair.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by TheIrvy]

reply to post by keepureye2thesky


Yay to that! bend and spread!!! airports are boring as hell anyway, gotta liven things up somehow right!?

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


woops sorry sent it to the wrong person! doh must have ben zapped already

://news.softpedia.com/news/How-Terahertz-Waves-Influence-DNA-125734.shtml

reply to post by k0mbination


no, no, lets not liven them up. I'd rather they be dumbed down. Make the security better, not longer and more intrusive.

I know it's not the point, but if i had a body like that chick, it'd be hard for me to have any clothes on at all, so i wouldnt care about the scanners! ;p

But with the body i'm stuck with, the thought of them freaks me out. But, like someone said on page one, we all have a body, noones perfect. If you choose to fly i guess it's part of the package. I guess the future of security is going to make privacy pretty much impossible, it was inevitable.

reply to post by Zedd31415


I just think the invasion of privacy is the least of our worries on this issue. This has much bigger implications. But I do get a kick out of the "so what if they see my junk" people on here.

Some people just don't get it and never will. There are medical, and legal reasons why this is wrong on so many levels. Hell, I got my wobbly bits after having three kids, but I'm damn hot, and I still don't want anyone seeing or RADIATING my wobbly bits when I simply want to take my kids to disneyland in February. If terrosists want us to die, they will find a way, scanners or not. So let's just leave the scanners out of it!

I think that after a while the person behind the scanner isn't paying attention to the "nude body". They are looking for anything concealed on the body. Big difference.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Originally posted by alaskan
How can anyone defend putting children/loved ones through these things?!

I can answer that question easily with 19 images of my own (placed into one image to save space...):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/593756fb80da.jpg[/atsimg]

I don't care one damn bit if they look like nudes if it keeps my "children/loved ones" safe from harm while flying the Unfriendly skies! GROW UP!!! We are all naked when we enter this world, and if these scanners keep us safe, then so be it!!!

And to be serious, I feel sorry for the poor TSA workers who will have the task of viewing these images, because for every one of these:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6c44282affa7.jpg[/atsimg]
that they see, there will be at least 100 of these:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ff665de11b61.jpg[/atsimg]
Yeah, sign me up for that gig, would ya!!!

So you've never even considered the possibility that 9/11 was allowed to happen/orchestrated by the same people pushing this technology through?
Did you get too upset looking at all the information out there and just decide it couldn't be true?

It seems to me that that's the case, and you should really start doing some actual research on that subject. But not in this thread.

The pervert manning the controls at the security station is going to be pretty excited about your cute young kids after looking at those manatees all day.
Do people that look at porn all day get sick of porn altogether, or move on to more disturbing things?

I hope you don't have a daughter, I'm terrified of your idea of 'friendly' skies...

[edit on 7-1-2010 by alaskan]

reply to post by Zedd31415


yeah I know sorry matey just having a wee laugh, but security and all be dammed I like my DNA just the way it is... not split! so I would rather have a glove than that scanner any day, perhaps if they gave us all big raincoats as we came in and we could 'flash' as we go through security!

Couldn't the use of these scanners be challenged as a violation of human rights? Or did that option go out the window when the patriot act came into play?

I don't see why they feel the need to scan everyone, even children.

If the "terror threat" truly comes from Muslims like they say then why do they not just scan Asians and anyone else who may possibly be Muslim? I know not all Asians are Muslims (or terrorists) and that not all Muslims are Asian (or terrorists) but if that is indeed where the threat is coming from then why is racial profiling not being used? If there is a sufficient threat that justifies the use of these expensive and possibly dangerous scanners on everyone then why is racial profiling not deemed justifiable too? Are they just worried about looking politically incorrect? Isn't the safety of citizens more important than some hurt feelings?

I'm not saying I agree with racial profiling, but if a certain group of people are posing a similar threat again and again then it surely makes sense to search those kind of people? If you're worried about Muslim fanatics then who do you honestly think is more likely to have a bomb down his pants? 33 year-old Ahmed Ali Ackbar from Saudi Arabia or 6 year-old Timmy Christian from Tallahassee?

Originally posted by Marid Audran

I will reiterate my earlier statement that I guarantee this will not apply to muslims. Women are not allowed to go out without the hijab and covering almost all of their skin - yet they are going to allow the TSA to see them naked?

Not a change. The ACLU will sue and they will get an exception but everyone else will still have to use it.

I think you're probably dead right, I could totally see that and if such a thing does happen it will defeat the whole purpose of the scanners being there in the first place. I'd also suspect there would be a much bigger outcry about the scanners, and the US government would have little choice but to remove them.

A piece on the news here in the UK earlier tonight (BBC or Channel 4, I forget which) was discussing the "underwear bomber" and someone said that of the 400,000 names on the USA's terror watch list only 4000 of them were prohibited from flying! Why is that? I'd think sorting that out might be a bit more urgent than putting intrusive scanners into airports!

Originally posted by whoshotJR

Most places in the world are mature enough to handle a real nude body and would laugh at a computer generated blue body being considered as offensive.

Have you never seen Watchmen?

I seem to remember a lot of people in America weren't too happy about the "computer generated blue body" in that!


* edit to add: I meant Asians in the British sense, i.e Arab not Oriental



[edit on 8/1/10 by sotp]

reply to post by k0mbination


Now that's a damn good idea, a bunch of naked people in raincoats flashing security. As long as you keep children from the flashing requirement, I'm up for it. Might make waiting for a plane a little more fun. But then you have to worry about the flashers having a few too many at the airport bar.

Honestly, I despair. We're living 1984, having words banned from our vocabularies, watching what we say incase we're punished for saying the wrong thing, allowing our wii fit to tell us how to exercise, being watched and recorded almost every time we leave our homes, forced to line up and be searched and stripped just so we can visit our relatives, scared and manipulated into giving up every freedom that makes life worth living, poisoned by our food, drugged up to the eyeballs in the name of medicine, and you don't care. Your more concerned with whether or not that security guard will laugh at what size your willy is than you are about being treated like property.

When will you wake up? How much will they have to take from you before you say No More? Have we become so passive, so oblivious that we just say Thank you Sir, Can I have another?

I hate quoting Star Trek, but Sir Stewart has a way with words. Why is nobody saying "This far, no further, and I will make them pay for what they've done"?

reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7


as an idea it still needs work I agree, but I think it has merit, buggered if I know how to tackle the kid issue tho, bet the government hasn't either!

Originally posted by TheIrvy
I grew up in N Ireland through the troubles,

The whole world can learn from the intestinal fortitude of the Irish. Unfortunately, the whole world doesn't learn.

If we learned from the lessons of the past, terrorists could find no purchase — they thrive on fear, while the past teaches us that succumbing to fear is a death trap.

Here's a little tidbit of advice: Anything that prompts you to action through fear is the work of evil agencies. Global warming hoax, global pandemic hoax, global economic collapse hoax, global terrorism hoax, et cetera... All designed to instill FEAR in the masses, cause you to migrate en masse to a predetermined objective.

TURN ON THOSE who would frighten you into action. If you flee, you're following their design.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by TheIrvy
I grew up in N Ireland through the troubles,

The whole world can learn from the intestinal fortitude of the Irish. Unfortunately, the whole world doesn't learn.

If we learned from the lessons of the past, terrorists could find no purchase — they thrive on fear, while the past teaches us that succumbing to fear is a death trap.

Here's a little tidbit of advice: Anything that prompts you to action through fear is the work of evil agencies. Global warming hoax, global pandemic hoax, global economic collapse hoax, global terrorism hoax, et cetera... All designed to instill FEAR in the masses, cause you to migrate en masse to a predetermined objective.

TURN ON THOSE who would frighten you into action. If you flee, you're following their design.

— Doc Velocity

Amen to that!

Beware of security agents walking around with these on.


Seriously, If the real screening x-rays save lives then
it is fine. As long as everyone knows what is being done. I agree that it is invasive, but not nearly as invasive as an aircraft that has just had an undetected bomb detonate falling out of the sky heading toward your
house!

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Zeptepi]

Originally posted by alaskan
So you've never even considered the possibility that 9/11 was allowed to happen/orchestrated by the same people pushing this technology through?
Did you get too upset looking at all the information out there and just decide it couldn't be true?

Typical Truther ploy... Did the Bush Administration know about it in advance? Maybe. Are there groups out there that would just love to kill a few thousand more Americans (millions if they could get ahold of a nuke)? MOST DEFINITELY!!!

The pervert manning the controls at the security station is going to be pretty excited about your cute young kids after looking at those manatees all day.
Do people that look at porn all day get sick of porn altogether, or move on to more disturbing things?

WOW! You just called every TSA worker a pervert!!! NICE! You deserve a full body cavity search as karmatic payback EVERYTIME you fly!

I hope you don't have a daughter, I'm terrified of your idea of 'friendly' skies...

I have a daughter and three grandsons, and before they fly, I would hope that every possible measure has been taken to keep them safe!

reply to post by k0mbination


OK, now this IS a good reason to not use these scanners:

The LANL team recently made a chilling discovery, when it found out that THZ radiation had the ability to essentially "unzip" double-stranded DNA, a feat that has massive implications, including the disruption of such processes as gene expression and DNA replication. Both of these are essential to life as we know it. The team argues that the radiation accomplishes its effects by means of tiny, resonant ones that it instills in the DNA molecules. While normal resonance is unable to cause "unzipping," nonlinear resonances, of the type terahertz radiation creates, can.

Source.