Do you honestly not think this is a nude image?

There are transit stations where body scanners are already mandatory, no pat down options. This is coming to every State and local government courthouse as soon as they can crank these babies out.
Many years ago I went to my family doctor, an old gruff guy. As I sat in the exam room I could hear the conversation from the adjoining room. He was giving a patient her postpartum exam. When he entered the room I was in he was sporting a very obvious erection.... disgusting. So much for you do something so many times and you become desensitized.

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
The point here is privacy and mostly "CONTROL"

It's only control if they force you to fly

I guess you missed my entire point.

I'm basically worried about how many laws they bring out that "forces" us to do as they want to survive in this world e.g travel to see family, get a job, or even go shopping etc. Which in reality means that freewill is an illusion.

Because if you don't do these things, you wont have a life in this society. If you desperately want to go on a plane to see your family, your now going to have to go through those scans wether you like it or not. That's the point. Not the fact that the naked body is great or not

"So what's next?" was the general theme of my post


[edit on 7-1-2010 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by apacheman
So when they screen children with this, how is this not child porn?

Two words... Sexual intent.

Yeah, tell that to all the parents who have been turned in by their local film developers for the pictures of their kids in the bathtub, or running around the yard naked...
Are they going to be released from jail? Have their sex offender status revoked? Be paid back their lost wages? Or maybe even just a formal, public apology ?

Again, why do people act like the people at the airport are perfect citizens would never keep a picture they liked, or sell one for loads of cash?

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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Considering the scanner results are not going to be published and in fact only professionals will see it? Rather like when you go to a hospital for tests. Or are of opinion that's invasion of privacy that must be stopped too? What about gynocologists and urologists? Are THEY rampaging perverts that must be stopped in your book as well?

 

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When we have hackers who frequently hack Pentagon, Credit Card websites, what will it take for anyone to hack in this and release all the pictures?

Originally posted by LifENcircleS
In my opinion the big deal is the person behind the screen looking at the images of naked men, women, and CHILDREN. I would be worried about pedophiles and other sexual predators looking in on these pictures.

Well, maybe THAT will start people thinking about the real costs of our unconditional support of Israel.

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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who here does not UNDERSTAND WHO THE FREAKIN TERRORISTS ARE???!!!

It's the government, THEY ARE THE TERRORISTS!!! Wake the hell up and smell the coffee.

That is why I laugh at all the absurd responses about invasion of privacy, it is an invasion and uncalled for, this will SAVE NO LIVES, you dumbasses!!

What is the problem with this country, oh yea, the stupidity is at an all time high!!!! THE GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM.

Again, when was the last time YOU personally SAW a terrorists or heard one? NEVER, they only exist because the government says so!!!

Can you please pull your heads out?

Whoever "believes" this is a good idea or condones this type of activity by the government should be hanged no differently than the people committing all the wars and murder. Honestly people.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by daddio]

Originally posted by AwakeAndAware
One of America's founding fathers made a statement once that seems to bear repeating:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin, 1775

The terrorists seem to have won. Americans have been scared into giving away their Liberty at an alarming rate. Which brings to mind another Franklin quote:

Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, Liberty is a well armed sheep disputing that vote.

That one is one of my favorites. The point is, freedom to travel between states without restriction was one of the intents of the constitution. I hope the Oath Keepers and other patriots are at ready. The time is coming.

I dont see flying as an "Essential Liberty". many of our nations founders were anarchists also, are you saying you would like total anarchy? Ben Franklin was a womanizer, should we also all be for that then?

If you don't like it then don't fly. Teach "them" a lesson and hit them in the pocket book.

Originally posted by alaskan

Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by apacheman
So when they screen children with this, how is this not child porn?

Two words... Sexual intent.

Yeah, tell that to all the parents who have been turned in by their local film developers for the pictures of their kids in the bathtub, or running around the yard naked...
Are they going to be released from jail? Have their sex offender status revoked? Be paid back their lost wages? Or maybe even just a formal, public apology ?

Again, why do people act like the people at the airport are perfect citizens would never keep a picture they liked, or sell one for loads of cash?

That is a huge misconception. yeah, a few people got arrested, but they were released. Walmart, the primary source of "turning people in" is now getting sued over this. The child pornography laws very specifically state that the material must be lewd and/or sexually suggestive in nature for them to be considered pornography. Bath tub pictures are not lewd nor will the airport imaging.

EDIT: the airport screeners will be viewing these images via a monitor....what are they going to do? Take a Polaroid of the screen? And then what?

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Aggie Man]

These images are just blobs - little more than body outline. There are no facial features, no names. You are just of of thousands of anonymous blobs passing through a monitor at any one time. What's the big deal? For heavens sake you present a more sexual and identifiable image on the beach, at the pool. I'm wondering - is it more men that are offended by this? Worried about having your 'bits' on display are you? As a woman having had the 'pat down' - a scan is infinitely preferable to being touched up by a stranger. Frankly I am more concerned about identity cards, holding of DNA etc. I don't look on this as the gradual erosion of rights because I don't look on this as ANYTHING.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by unicorn1]

Originally posted by Aggie Man
the airport screeners will be viewing these images via a monitor....what are they going to do? Take a Polaroid of the screen? And then what?

Originally posted by alaskan

These aren't going to stop at airports, the people pushing them have been saying for years that they want to put them everywhere where "security" is an "issue."
Football stadiums, courthouses, amusement parks, the post office, state borders, and on and on and on...

How many thousands of people said it was crazy to think that cell phone text messages would be kept?

How many times were we told our email archives wouldn't be sold?

What makes you think that something like nude images would be any different?

Why do you hold airport personal at such high esteem that they'd never do something immoral?
You really think those guys/ladies are somehow morally immaculate? They'd never think bad thoughts about anyone, and they'd never sell exclusive celebrity nudes or images of children for big bucks, because they're perfectly nice, good people. All of them. Nothing to worry about, everybody but them terrorists loves us, right?

[edit on 7-1-2010 by alaskan]

Originally posted by unicorn1
These images are just blobs - little more than body outline. There are no facial features, no names. You are just of of thousands of anonymous blobs going through at any one time. For heavens sake you present a more sexual and identifiable image on the beach, at the pool. I'm wondering - is it more men that are offended by this? Worried about having your 'bits' on display are you? As a woman having had the 'pat down' - a scan is infinitely preferable to being touched up by a stranger. Frankly I am more concerned about identity cards, holding of DNA etc. I don't look on this as the gradual erosion of rights because I don't look on this as ANYTHING.

Haha, way to announce to the whole thread that you don't even look at something before acting like you know all there is to know about it.
Yeah sure, you don't see how this is an invasion/infringement on our rights, but hopefully someday if you have kids, they'll be smart enough to know that there was a time when complete strangers weren't able to see you in this state.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by alaskan]

This thread is completely out of control.

Let's all re-familiarize ourselves with the issue here.

Detr oit attack: US border guards knew alleged terrorist was on flight

How Terahertz Waves Tear Apart DNA

Planned airport scanners would not have detected bomber's explosives.

Please read these articles before you even consider that this is going to improve our safety.

Originally posted by alaskan
Why do you hold airport personal at such high esteem that they'd never do something immoral?

You really think those guys/ladies are somehow morally immaculate? They'd never think bad thoughts about anyone, and they'd never sell exclusive celebrity nudes or images of children for big bucks, because they're perfectly nice, good people. All of them. Nothing to worry about, everybody but them terrorists loves us, right?

I don't think that they are morally immaculate. Just as with anything, there will be bad seeds. That is not a reason to halt something....because of potential abuse.

Do you think Dr.'s are to be held in such high esteem and they would never do anything immoral? Think again...

www.examiner.com...

Should we outlaw pediatricians too?



[edit on 7-1-2010 by Aggie Man]

US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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And that covers using a private companies services how?

Originally posted by alaskan

US Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It's not a search...it's imaging. Do you have a problem with metal detectors too?

It looks nude to me. Honestly, I don't care much about it... with this thing there won't be as many attacks, I say it's worth it.

Considering there is so much talk of NWO and the loss of our civil liberties, everyone is taking this airport scanning subject exactly as the government would want you to, to just roll over and accept it, I for one think its totally unnacceptable, and a gross violation of the most basic of my human rights, the right to privacy.

Wake up people, this is just one extra way of our governments getting there own way regardless of public opinion, violations of thousands of peoples right to privacy in the name of stopping something the US Government has pretty much bought upon itself.

Well, Muslims will find it an affront and not have to go through it, just everyone else. Before you disagree, remember one of the big complaints in enhanced interrogation was that people were made to sit naked and that was the worst thing imaginable.

That is the way the world is right now, unfortunately. I only hope that there is some way for sanity to survive this Orwellian nightmare we find ourselves in.

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please stop telling others to wake up. You never know, maybe its you who is the one living in a dream world.

Maybe I should tell people I think are nut jobs that they should get some sleep?

Why is it that you cant argue the points and instead need to try and point to people just not being in the "know" like you.