I think I Am A New Aged Racist

reply to post by mushibrain


I agree with much of what you say but would pull you up on the following.

It is far from an accepted fact that immigrants spend the majority of their wages in the UK. In Fact more appears to go abroad in remmittances.

I wouldn't call white brits who don't want a cleaning job lazy. I would blame the deliberately skewed and deliberately orchestrated society run by TPTB that creates a system that pays very little for a productive cleaning job but pays millions to a banker who bets on the economy being screwed. Minimum wage should be raised here and abroad.

I also don't believe that say if 5 million whites went and lived in New Zealand that they suddenly had the right to oust the aboriginal maoris and restructure the entire country in the image of their homeland. This should never have happened there, in Australia or in America, at least not without the consent of that aboriginal minority.

Everyone in the US should remember how their country came into being. I know the UK is complicit in that and the slave trade, but i wish every immigrant to the UK these days had the same attitude as the previous wave of immigration. They came because of what Britain meant and stood for, they became proud to be British and made the effort to bring the best of where they came from and take on board the best of what was here. Sadly this is no longer the case. I freely admit this has been by design of TPTB but it doesn't mean I like it.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by spookfish]

My ex is an immigrant, so I have no problems with people of different colors or backgrounds, what I DO have a problem with is people who come to *our* country and expect us to bend over backwards for them.

It upsets me so much I can't even see straight at times. I got yelled at over the phone because I ordered pizza and the guy taking my order didn't know the word I was saying. (Jalepenos...)

Guess what, when you're in Rome, it's expected you do as the Romans do.

If it's racist to want to live in my country as I and countless others have done before me, then so be it. We speak Norwegian in Norway, not Pakistani, not Arabic or even Icelandic but Norwegian. I'm not about to go learn another language because YOU chose to move here.

/rant

FK

I starred your post because you pointed out a few holes in mine, thanks. You just can't write it all in one go, there's never enough time Right, let’s develop it further:

Originally posted by spookfish

I agree with much of what you say but would pull you up on the following.

It is far from an accepted fact that immigrants spend the majority of their wages in the UK. In Fact more appears to go abroad in remmittances.

Hmm. Can't say for sure but the
accomodation (according to this article), bills and food comprise the majority of expenditure for normal people, not those who own Harrods or Chelsea FC. You cannot spend this money in other country. From this I assume that immigrants, just like 'proper' Brits, spend the money into the UK economy. Any holes in this argument? Of course I am not talking about seasonal workers who come here to make money and live 20 people in one flat.

Originally posted by spookfish
I wouldn't call white brits who don't want a cleaning job lazy. I would blame the deliberately skewed and deliberately orchestrated society run by TPTB that creates a system that pays very little for a productive cleaning job but pays millions to a banker who bets on the economy being screwed. Minimum wage should be raised here and abroad.

Well, having had enough socialism in my life I am a hopeless capitalist on the issue of minimum wage. I agree with you that the system is screwed up, and to ease the people pain and keep the system we need minimum wage thing. When I just immigrated to the UK I was shocked about laidback approach to work people in the UK had. I am not against working less, we should work much less. But the entire balance is out of wack, everyone seems to want to be a banker or some financial advisor, in other words people in the UK and other advanced countries were led into the trap of easy money. The system should be set up in such a way that people can afford not to work for unfair wages, then the wages would have to go up. But we're sidetracking a bit, and I don't have a complete answer, yes the situation is a mess.

Originally posted by spookfish
I also don't believe that say if 5 million whites went and lived in New Zealand that they suddenly had the right to oust the aboriginal maoris and restructure the entire country in the image of their homeland. This should never have happened there, in Australia or in America, at least not without the consent of that aboriginal minority.

Well, it did happen in the US, Australia and so on. And now it happens in the UK, trend reverses. But the problem is not with immigrants, just like the problem was not with immigrants then. We are like grains of sand that are blown by the higher force, have no clue what's happening on the bigger scale and blame the grain next to us. Should we know better? Should the grains form a wall and resist the wind that blows them around? Perhaps. Will it ever happen? Probably not.

Originally posted by spookfish
Everyone in the US should remember how their country came into being.

hmm. Bunch of convicts and other people fleeing from prosecution? then came bankers and screwed up everything, then told people to blame ‘Indians’, or immigrants or blacks or who knows what but the bankers yes, those were the days

Originally posted by spookfish
I know the UK is complicit in that and the slave trade, but i wish every immigrant to the UK these days had the same attitude as the previous wave of immigration. They came because of what Britain meant and stood for, they became proud to be British and made the effort to bring the best of where they came from and take on board the best of what was here. Sadly this is no longer the case. I freely admit this has been by design of TPTB but it doesn't mean I like it.

Agree, as I said before, the best way is to let each other to help us to remove the crap from our character, kindly with respect. But don't worry, the immigration days are coming to an end. Polish workers going home as there are no jobs, British workers going to other countries including Poland. So I guess soon Brits will be received in the same way they received immigrants to the UK.

It sounds like all common sense to me. I see no problem with your line of thinking on this particular subject and personally do not see why you would want to change your way of thinking.

I agree with the people who said that we shouldn't generalize a whole group because of some peoples actions. And this applies to religion and other cultural communities etc. Because there is always the good the bad and the ugly where ever you go.

But I also agree with the OP when he says that the immigrants shouldn't expect to get treated like a king or a celebrity and have things changed for them just so they are happy when moving to a new country.

In my culture and religious teachings, we are required to blend with the people. which means blend in with their culture and laws. You will get more respect if you do so rather than demand changes for your own good. Of course if the culture has some things that go against our religion's teachings, we simply stay away from it. There is nothing wrong with that. And its not bad to keep to your own culture while you live in another country, but its good to have a balance between the both, hence the word ''blend'' but still keeping to that countries laws.

Peace

Asw good of a thread as this was, you had to know it was going to go downhill and up like this. Some people just can't grow up and act like adults............and for those that get all offend by an honest thread like this to go and forget about the T&C isn't even funny anymore. It was good thread while it lasted.

i would really like to vote black elk as president. i think the native american way was much more peaceful (without the tribal wars.) if america gave the land back to the natives then i don't think it'd be so bad. "if you don't like it, leave! the natives were here first."
at least, that's what i think they'd say. that's what americans would say..
or probably "you cannot own land. land is shared by the nature, animals.."

reply to post by tothetenthpower


your not a bigot, your not a racist, or xenophobic, your just a person trying to figure it out, which isn't easy in this day and age when everywhere we look we're blasted with images of hate, war etc and told conflicting half truths about what's going on.
Your on the right path tho, the best way to overcome ignorance is knowledge. I did it with years of travel and discovered that no matter where you go we're all the same with the same day to day probs, just played out in a different way, it's how you deal to those probs that you discover who you are.
The best way to change someone one's opinion of you and your way of life (talking about flag burners here) is to show them your way is better, and the best way to do that is through love and openness, they will have the hardest time of all as they will have to face the truth that all they have been taught, all they have built their hate on, was a lie... sound familiar? we are all the same, fighting to servive when we should be hugging each other to live! hell think I ate to many mung beans again, where's my steak!

People are the same no matter where you go. They all want to work, provide for their children and live in peace. Just treat everyone as an individual, since no two people are the same, even if they're of the same race.

That being said, immigrants into the US should learn conversational English. I don't mean requiring them to do a thesis on the works of Mark Twain. I mean be able to order a cup of coffee, at least! And if they're legal, have English classes for them. They're going to be working and paying taxes anyway, its a good investment. And as long as their customs don't violate our laws or our constitutional rights, I don't see any problem with them.

We all need to love and respect each other, no matter what our background is. Who knows, maybe someday we'll be able to say "Merry Christmas"!



[edit on 8-1-2010 by scrybe]

I havent gone through the whole thread, but if someone hasnt already brought this up, there was a story a few months back about a guy running a post office who put a ban on serving customers who didnt speak english. Seemed a bit harsh at first, but he did it on the basis that there was a large number of people who had come to the area with no interest in even learning the basics of the english language. And so he was spending ridiculous amounts of time trying to communicate with these customers.
He ended up getting sacked, recieved death threats and had to move.

Postmaster sacked for refusing the serve the poorly spoken

I found this site's view of the story as quite ridiculous -

Jihad watch

Its a good example really of what happens when you get so many immigrants in one area that the english language becomes the minority.