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Well, I was actually interested in ideas. Not so much, me saying what must be done. I don't think I have suggested anything. Yet.
Originally posted by intrepid
Yes, I have been reading what you are saying but as pointed out, we can't assure anyones age. Secondly, the ATS staff does enforce the T&C, which makes ATS a family friendly site. We do the best we can to maintain decorum. The membership helps out too. Personally, I'd rather have my kids here than anywhere else.
As I said before. I'm not posing any answers at this time. I wanted to hear what kind of answers the brilliant minds of ATS might come up with.
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Fact is, nobody on this site has any clue how old a member is. Just because they say they are 14 does not mean they are 14. Most certainly can not judge content or quality of post for age.
And you, nor I, can judge what another person's child should or should not be doing nor what sites they should visit. Its all opinion and personal parenting. Period.
There are a lot of things that children are just not equipped for. Physically, emotionally and experience-wise. They are undeveloped, and do not have the tools to process certain information or situation correctly.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I dunno, my kids don't get "protected" from things like that. I expose them to whatever I think they are mature enough to understand. I mean obviously there are some things which I just won't subjec them to.
But nothing is hidden from them. Education is key, always has been.
~Keeper
More than half this stuff scares more than half of the adults that read it.
Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
It is not up to ATS to modify its content ..
It is up to the parents to monitor what there children (of any age) are up to on the internet.
I certainly would not let my kids read half this stuff it would scare them to death
I agree.
Originally posted by infinite
I agree with the premise of this thread.
Especially regarding media input, some content is rather too graphic and grotesque for our younger members. A simple "WARNING!!" in the title will not do.
You touched on my point exactly.
Originally posted by triplescorpio
I am a dad and agree as an ATSER this site is so cool and as of late the cooks are leading the young and causing a complete lack of factual ideas threads and lots of really wacked unfounded statements. There really needs to be some kind of filter applied to keep the young and obviously disconnected ones from being led astray its one thing to have imagination its another to try and convince a 12 year old that there government is out to get them.
You seem to understand that not all children are going to be intelligent or strong enough to handle this information safely, and that there are parents that wouldn't want their children on this site. I am sure this is from experience, or the experience of a friend.
Originally posted by influx.destruction
I am 16 and I know that my dad encourages me to research everything. He does not know I am so interested in conspiracies but I am sure he wouldn't object. the OP is right by saying that some parents might not want their children to visit these forums but if the children are intelligent enough to see through media lies then I think they are emotionally strong enough. I first learnt about the NWO when I was 14, it was a shock and I told many of my mates. I have convinced about 20 people that the World Governments are in fact pushing a different agenda so therefore I think that these forums are a form of alternative education.
How can you people look at this exchange, and not understand just how bad things are?
Originally posted by Remixtup
Now, my 7 year old has already experienced a ban on another site. It was for just 24 hours, and he understands what he did that was wrong (language) - and over all, was a great learning experience.
7 Years old and banned on a forum for "language"?
Seems like you ought to get off ats and get your kid off the computer and go play legos ffs
Originally posted by mamabeth
I was vegetating,mentally and physically,in front of my television.This
box would be on for hours with mindless shows entering my brain.
I guess Jesus had you jump right into your usual compulsive anti-Christian dogma in the middle of this thread for a purpose.
Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by mamabeth
So M after 50 years of being an (fill in blank) what possessed you to become an xtian ?
How did you go about critically evaluating the bibles for authenticity and truth ?
Have you met or spoken with jesus ? ( the one commonly referred to by most pastors and such)
Were you happy before you became an chrisitian ?
If not, why do you feel that you could not achieve happiness without xtianity ?
What type of xtian are you ?
I'm sorry, but I am not worried about taking the thoughts and experiences of children away from you adults. But, kudos on trying to make that sound normal and flowery.
Originally posted by americandingbat
Understood. But it's worth considering how helpful to the rest of us it can be to be exposed to the thoughts and experiences of the younger members. Keeping younger members off the site would not only "protect" them from us, it would "protect" us from them. Not sure that that's a good idea -- as a parent, wouldn't you rather have the insight into what it's like to be a teenager today that you can get from their contributions, especially since ATS members tend by and large to be more self-aware and willing to face issues head-on than average?
I'm not sure how to respond to you without absolutely crushing you. But I will try. Regardless of how you claim to have handled a situation, and the wonderful results that ensued, the young-sounding user still aired their laundrey in a thread, and they still received an unhealthy answer. And, who knows what kind of U2U traffic went on.
As a couple of the mods who have posted have said -- by all means use the alert button if you see something inappropriate. I know that I used it once, in a thread where a young-sounding member with some concerns about feeling dissociated received a reply recommending the use of hallucinogens. The issue was dealt with very promptly, with the result that the thread as a whole stood but the drug references were removed. As is often the case in such threads, a lot of the information that was posted was exactly the kind of thing that I would want a kid to see -- people posting their ability to identify with the issue. It's easy to focus on the relatively few "unsafe" posters, but most threads here provide a variety of reactions -- including responses from people who have had similar issues and found help online or through talking to parents, friends, spiritual advisors, therapists, or elsewhere.
"anti-fear"? What are you talking about?! Are you really that disconnected?
So much of life has a component of fear. At least here you also get the "anti-fear" voices.
I am suggesting nothing yet. I am listening.
So what would you suggest?
And, it will cost too much money to get rid of all the illegal aliens, and it is too difficult to prosecute wealthy criminals, and it is too much trouble to monitor all the hallways in crime-ridden schools.
And, for the sake of conversation, let's all agree that, for the most part, an over 18 restriction isn't stopping anybody that has decided to come in here.
Kudos for taking that out of context. What I said was
But as you point out, isn't that a matter for the children and their parents to decide, not for hundreds of online babysitters?
Focusing on the potential for HARM in here.
The amount of doom and gloom and fear, that is present in the world today, to say nothing of the way a site like this can literally "funnel" all of it directly into a young mind, with no filters or guidance, has never, in the history of our planet, existed before.
There is no way to say that it is good for a kid.
Meaning, that if it is ever decided that the potentially HARMFUL exposure a child can receive in here, is decided to be OK, THAT decision should be made by parents. In other words, maybe a release or waiver from parents for the kids to be members of the site.
And, if it is EVER decided to be so, that should be made by a parent. Not by hundreds of online forum "babysitters".
Yeah! You really touched on a sensitive spot! I think you are just enjoying the opportunity to take up a "pie-in-the-sky", "everything's fine" position against, what you probably, and incorrectly perceive as a conservative, rule-creating opponent.
The internet is an "Unnatural" ingredient in life today. And, to some extent, it invades all of our lives. But, it is also an Unnatural Ingredient in the raising of our children.
Am I hearing fear?
I'm afraid you are losing credibility with every sentence. OK. So, now the internet is a natural extension of basic human communication. Sure. It's totally natural.
I have trouble with the idea that the internet is "unnatural" -- it is a means for people to communicate. Nothing is more human (and natural) than communication. Like it or not, networks are a part of life today. Kids will be exposed to online communication -- including some difficult, scary, or misleading information. Isn't it better to have them exposed to the "crazies" here where there is a strong, diverse, and generally responsible community of contributors who will speak up if they see something going wrong?
Again, you are just arguing to argue.
Having a child or young person, exposed to hundreds of different people and their views, is a terrifying prospect under the best of circumstances. There is nothing normal or healthy about it.
Here I totally disagree. Yes, I'm sure it's terrifying. But I don't see why it should be abnormal or unhealthy. Parents can (and should) help their kids puzzle through all the information they are exposed to. But much of what people (adults as well as kids) are exposed to here is actually the process of puzzling through. Being exposed to this may help kids develop the mental tools that they need to live in an information-overload world.
Did you really write this?: If they are, then the worst thing that happens is kids find out that people believe different things.
Now, take those same hundreds of people, and consider that they are not taking into consideration that their are young members viewing their posts.
If they're not abiding by the terms and conditions of the website, then they should be reported. If they are, then the worst thing that happens is kids find out that people believe different things.
to say nothing of the way a site like this can literally "funnel" all of it directly into a young mind, with no filters or guidance, has never, in the history of our planet, existed before.
This has nothing to do with my kid. You should read my posts before mumbling yourself into negation.
Originally posted by Kailassa
Exactly, the decision about what your kid sees should be made by you, not by "forum babysitters".
Yet you seem to be looking for some change in this forum that would allow you to trust it to be more appropriate for children, rather than being prepared to monitor your children's involvement yourself.
Again, try the "reading thing" before you go ahead and insinuate that somebody is a weasel.
It is not "Censorship". I am talking about filtering what these kids are exposed to. If that outrages you, you are kind of proving my point, as to how bad we need to do it.
In some cases, parents and the kids may not know what is best for them.
Filtering, censorship ... exactly the same thing. Weasel words don't change facts.
"grown up free to access whatever information they want. " Well, at this point, I'm pretty sure most of us agree that I know better than you do.
Assuming that you know better than another parent what is best for THEIR child is fat-headed nonsense. Your ego is really bursting through here.
My kids, like Whaaa's have grown up free to access whatever information they want. Kids bought up with love, respect, good examples from their parents and able to talk to their parents about everything can usually handle freedom fine.
As I said, I am not worried about my children. I am worried about the children of people like you.
Well you did say that ATS was bad for children and that an over 18 agreement won't keep them out, so what is it you want?
If you want the type of censorship known of as filtering, just move to Australia or China, and the government will make your your precious little ones don't see anything nasty.
I am holding back right now, as anybody who has ever read some of my posts can tell you.
I would expect the parent to be the "mature adult" who is there to give your child advice and input.
But you have proved your immaturity by jumping to conclusions, so I'm starting to think it would be a "Holy Crap!" situation if your children only have you to guide them.
No wonder you want to shift off parental responsibilities by pushing for censorship of this forum.
I think this is an awesome idea. It could, at least, be a start.
Originally posted by xynephadyn
I completely agree. We need to BAN all children from posting on our forums. I am beyond sick and tired of reading teenagers threads selling us a line of BS. Most dont take it seriously.
Make a Teenager Forum for goodness sakes. I think we all would be MUCH HAPPIER.
If you were OLDER you would know that this is nothing NEW in the least!
Originally posted by gandhi
And if your reffering to spirituality, or quantum physics, and the new discovery that they are very much coupled
I am not telling anybody what to believe, but I am saying that there are dangers connected with believing things when they are being served to a person by anonymous sources they no nothing about. But, hey, if you feel better if you argue with that, you go right ahead.
You should not be telling people what to believe.
There is healthy, controlled growth as guided by experienced, trusted sources, and then there is hurried, irresponsible flooding of information and direction from bogus sources.
Growth is inevitable, and yes there are people that want to keep the mind set the same, but it always inevitbly changes.
Perhaps you are an idiot with a dictionary in his lap, and I am an ATS member that is sick of seeing posts where kids are showing signs of SERIOUS problems, in a forum that they are not even supposed to be, and watching them get 3 pages of "crazy" in response.
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by LASTofTheV8s
My Mrs. Lovejoy ... you do take the "oh won't somebody think of the children" complex to the extreme ... combined with a rather intense and probably unhealthy "control" obsession, a preponderance for judgmental knowitallsm, superiority, and intransigence.
You must be a hoot at thanksgiving.
It seems to me that YOU are way more negatively affected by being on ATS than any young member I have ever observed ... perhaps this whole thing is you projecting.
First hand testimony? Are you talking about the kids that are bragging about being here by breaking the rules, or the ones admitting that parents wouldn't want their kids here, or the one that admitted that a kid should only be here if they are strong and intelligent enough?
Originally posted by MirrorImage
reply to post by LASTofTheV8s
to say nothing of the way a site like this can literally "funnel" all of it directly into a young mind, with no filters or guidance, has never, in the history of our planet, existed before.
I'd contend that the first sentence chiseled into a stone tablet or painted on a cave wall was the original "funnel" and the reader , young or old from then on had to decide how much of that content to catch.
In my experience young adults/teens deserve more credit than you seem to be giving them in knowing
what is worthy (of investigation) and what is backwash.
You've even had first hand testimony attest to that right in this thread.
Surely you're not trying to police the interwebs single handedly? Yikes
Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
Perhaps you are an idiot with a dictionary in his lap ...
and I am an ATS member that is sick of seeing posts where kids are showing signs of SERIOUS problems, in a forum that they are not even supposed to be, and watching them get 3 pages of "crazy" ...
Thank you.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by LASTofTheV8s
It wouldn't be a problem if ATS members (the majority being adults) excercised restraint and practiced self examination before they pressed the reply button.