Only one percent of the Holocaust claims can be proven - Says Holocaust Scholar and Expert

What I find sad about this post is that it confirms that even a site like this, of what I perceive to be open minded free thinkers, still has certain subjects that must remain taboo, and should never ever be questioned.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Glass_Eyed_Max
Ever wonder why people question the Holocaust more than any other tragedy in the world?

Because the Jews were involved, and there are a lot of closet anti semites out there

maybe you are anti-anti-semite (meaning you are semite), and so maybe your perception is slanted in that direction???

In the same way that an anti-9/11 truther is anti-anti-government, meaning they are for the government.

Not everyone who questions the Holocaust is a neo-Nazi anti-semite, that is a false statement if not an outright lie.

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Originally posted by ancient_wisdom

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Glass_Eyed_Max
Ever wonder why people question the Holocaust more than any other tragedy in the world?

Because the Jews were involved, and there are a lot of closet anti semites out there

maybe you are anti-anti-semite (meaning you are semite), and so maybe your perception is slanted in that direction???

You really are a genius!

Please dude stop by my threads. Dereks, he got you man. The anti anti is effin brilliant.


Ziggy

Originally posted by ukmadmax
What I find sad about this post is that it confirms that even a site like this, of what I perceive to be open minded free thinkers, still has certain subjects that must remain taboo, and should never ever be questioned.

Well I'm challenging that taboo, if you claim to be a free thinker, then use your mind and not let it be imprisoned by the overly sensitive amongst us (not necessarily Jews, but anyone that gets offended by the truth). The Truth shall set you free, the lie shall imprison you.

In short...I believe the "holocaust" occurred but that (if anything is incorrect) the fine details (numbers, etc.) may be off.

HOWEVER...what bothers me the most is the fear of discussing the subject. If you ask for, or attempt to prove/disprove the details...you are flagged racist/anti-Semite. So, often, your only choice is to take someone's "word" for the facts, or be labeled. I would like to see a real and in-depth investigation of the holocaust without political correctness or fear of the "truth". HOWEVER AGAIN...my guess is that the framework of what happened is true and the details may be a bit off.

PS: I've never looked into the subject, in depth...so, if anyone has a non-bias book title etc. on the subject...I'd like to educated myself further.

reply to post by neformore
You're trying to provoke me. Typical approach. For a question, be a question as your answer. Don't waste your breath. It's not going to work in my case. I know this very well.

I took up the question first at the very beginning. Be a good guy and answer that first, before I would answer to any of your questions.


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reply to post by Sharrow


How about you show me the evidence that says such? because the photos from soldiers alone is a large chunk of the proof. The confession of soldiers, of germans, etc etc. Why do people continue to come to the tomb of Schindler to thank him?

I'm sorry, but your expert is delusional. I still have my German lugar that my grandfather gave our family when he liberated those camps. That and his photos are good enough for me.

Oh, and death camps = labor camps. The point of a labor camp is to work you to death.

reply to post by Gorman91

I'm sorry, but your expert is delusional.

Sorry. It's not my expert. It's the expert of the Jewish Holocaust. He is not a HC denier. He is a distinguished supporter of the Holocaust, a great friend of the Jewish people. Which part is that you don't understand? And he is saying this. That's why I added this thread, because I've found it curious.

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Originally posted by Sharrow
I just reviewed this thread... Do you know what the best is? In this thread no one started to blame the Jewish people for everything as the first two pages of this thread was clear and the people just discussed. Then some Jewish guy (At least as they presented themselves) arrived and they started to make their usual feast. No one blamed them as this topic wasn't about this. No one tried to find scapegoats as this topic wasn't about this. Then they immediately came with Anti-Semitism and with the usual "We're the Jews and you're blaming us." stuff. So please tell me, if this was just a single discussion thread, why they're whining like if someone is guilty? Why they're trying to deflect, evade, while everyone is intended to discuss this in a civilized manner? Why they're immediately starting to act like morons, trying to discredit everyone and acting like whose have something to hide?

Can't you guys make a simple discussion without whining? No one questioned anything here, I just found this curious and wanted to know the answer. Yet, you're nicely presenting yourself as you do know exactly you have something to hide in this matter. The question is why? Do you really have something to hide? Or what?

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The question is: who is the one with something to hide?

Please enlighten us why you find the statement made by this gentleman so curious. Are you sure you are not purposely trying to misrepresent your intention for creating this thread?

Originally posted by ukmadmax
What I find sad about this post is that it confirms that even a site like this, of what I perceive to be open minded free thinkers, still has certain subjects that must remain taboo, and should never ever be questioned.

Free thinker does not mean, feel free to float absurdities. If this OP had any merit, or sense, he would not be posting this kind of insult to humanity.

Do you breathe? isn't that a stupid question.

The fact that it was not banned gave the dolt an opportunity to question it, his words, revoked it.

reply to post by Dark Ghost

Please enlighten us why you find the statement made by this gentleman so curious. Are you sure you are not purposely trying to misrepresent your intention for creating this thread?

Positive. You're trying to create a myth around me, provoke me, because I dared to ask in this sensitive matter. Don't waste your breath, because I'm not going to withdraw, I won't retreat, because you want to see it.

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reply to post by Sharrow


If a professor of science who's long taught biology suddenly said only 1% of evolution can be proven, I don't find it curious. I laugh at it, and dismiss it as delusional. Shall I be one of those trolls who post 1000 pictures of the holocaust? That's getting really boring to do.

The facts remain that both Russians and Americans and many allies troops landed, and liberated, those camps, and took pictures. Russia and America were not in cahoots. They were forced allies. Any ability to prove something wrong to the other would have been taken to the umpteenth degree.

This is not at all curious. It's a fool off his rocker.

Originally posted by Sharrow
Which part is that you don't understand?

The part where you twisted what he actually said to confirm your fantasy

And he is saying this.

Except he never said what you claimed, you twisted his words to fit your agenda

That's why I added this thread, because I've found it curious.

Found what curious? Remember, he never said what you claimed he said...

reply to post by Gorman91
Don't evade and don't speak in hypothesises. What you're saying it's fiction, what is in that article it's happened, so it's a fact. So don't try to confuse anyone, don't try to evade, don't try to deflect, because it's not going to work at all.

One thing I've always thought about this is the comparison that you have to make between other concentration camps before this time, namely the British ones during the Boer War.

We interred thousands of Boer women and children into those camps and it cost 26,000 of them their lives.

This wasn't because we were exterminating them in death camps, but because when you put a lot of people together in a confined space with little sanitation, clean water, little medicine, and a lack of food you get people who become very ill.

Typhoid and other diseases rip through the camps killing many people, especially when they are malnourished and emaciated.

Multiply up the numbers of people held in the German camps, the poor conditions, etc, etc, and you would have had God knows how many die from natural causes.

I think the truth is that no one has any clue how many people died in those camps, and no one knows how many died from natural causes, so I can't help but feel that a lot of the accepted "knowledge" is propaganda.

However, you can't get away from the fact that the germans put them into those camps, and they knew what would happen but did it anyway, so they are definitely responsible no matter how you slice it.

One interesting side note is that although photography wasn't that wide spread in the Boer war there are photos of people in these camps, and I think you'd be hard pressed to spot the difference between a photo of someone at a Boer camp and Auschwitz if you put their pictures side by side.

Even down to the shaved heads which was probably to stop the spread of lice.

You can see some photos if you search for them in Google images:

images.google.co.uk...

reply to post by Gorman91


Exactly.
Not only that Sharrow, you still have not refuted any of the people who have said the this Holocaust expert didn't say what you've said he said. You've taken what he's said out of context.
Whatever.

reply to post by dereks
What can you twist in this sentence?

Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove . . . it has become part of our inherited knowledge.

It's in that article. I didn't rewrite it, I didn't change anything. I also didn't twist anything. Check it out. There is nothing what you could twist in this sentence at all. The best is everyone understands it as it is, what it is. So please tell me, what I twisted in his words? I can tell you, nothing at all.

You've taken what he's said out of context.

Don't try to explain this. It's not out of context. It is, what it is. Period.

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reply to post by Beancounter72


I want to see documentation, not "I don't remember their name" for every single one of those points you just made.

Anyone can come on here and spout out a bunch of "truths" but if you can show me proof, I'll take you a bit more seriously...

Originally posted by Sharrow
I didn't rewrite it,

Yes you did, show us where the author of the article made the claim in the title

I didn't change anything. I also didn't twist anything.

Yes you did, show us where the author stated what you said he did

Check it out. There is nothing what you could twist in this sentence at all.

except you did twist it....

reply to post by Sharrow

How am I evading? Guy says something he thinks is true. Evidence en mass contradicts his statements. Guy is wrong. End of story. Just because a scholar says something doesn't make him right. The camps, mass testimonies of soldiers and civilians, and photos account for well over 1% of evidence, and they are all pretty much physical truths quite obviously true. So how am I evading by saying he's wrong? I would call that a direct assault.