Why I will not fight the Illuminati

Kill some of the awful people on this planet, and everyone ends up much happier. Maybe stop letting crazy people have 8+ kids, too. Because they're idiots.

Who are you or any one else to decide who the awful people are? no one has the right to judge whether any particular person should live or die.

and people are free to have as many kids as they wish. the earth can still hold as many people as there is now. the only problem is that we have to find alternatives to energy and food consumption along with preserving nature.

Illuminati. if they're so clean and honest then why are they secret. why do they have a secret agenda? why are they linked to most of the revolutions and conspiracies?

Originally posted by Discordian Queen
Sure, Mk Ultra is pretty scary, but also pretty awesome that we can mold someone's mind like that.

If you live in america you probably have loads of mind control in you already.

Just imagine if you went to school with people that wanted you dead, and they got in jobs using these techs, would they enjoy wrecking your life or what. You would not even know your life was being wrecked by them.

Yep great tech, not. you people should think about real world, before saying something is good or not.

Originally posted by Cadbury

Then there's a third side who hold that they do exist, but that they're not evil. Then a fourth who say that terms such as "good" and "evil" are mostly subjective to the observer and won't categorise them as "either" "or."

Which do you believe, Skyfloating? And which do I?

For purposes of our stay on earth, the third-option is the best choice, even if the fourth option (the one you presumably subscribe to most) were more true.

Option 1 (they dont exist) is the lowest level of Delusion
Option 2 (they are evil) is a higher level of Delusion
Option 3 (they are good) is the first level of Truth
Option 4 (they just are) is the higher level of truth

And I havent even started with Option five yet. Humanity is only just slowly waking up from Option 1 and progressing to Option 2.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
For purposes of our stay on earth, the third-option is the best choice, even if the fourth option (the one you presumably subscribe to most) were more true.

Could you please explain why for anyone who may be reading this? And of my own subscription(s) – as contradictory as they may sound – I subscribe to options one, two, three and four simultaneously, but less to option two (however popular that outview may at the moment be) than to options four, three or one.

Option 1 (they dont exist) is the lowest level of Delusion
Option 2 (they are evil) is a higher level of Delusion
Option 3 (they are good) is the first level of Truth
Option 4 (they just are) is the higher level of truth

And I havent even started with Option five yet. Humanity is only just slowly waking up from Option 1 and progressing to Option 2.

What would you have option five as?

Originally posted by Skyfloating

For purposes of our stay on earth, the third-option is the best choice, even if the fourth option (the one you presumably subscribe to most) were more true.

Ok, I'll bite.
How can a group that abuses children and kills people be other than bad?

Originally posted by leftystrat
Ok, I'll bite.
How can a group that abuses children and kills people be other than bad?

How do you know that "they" abuse children and kill people?

reply to post by Cadbury


it's on you tube. geez doesn't anybody research these things anymore.

the Illuminati has been a group i have been interested in for a long time now, i dont know that you could call them evil or good, ( i know some people have already stated this) nor can you say being religous or atheist, agnostic, or even a satanist is evil or good. Every thing in this world is subjective is the man who kills the man who raped his wife evil? im sure his wife would say no but the rapist family would say yes.

every one has there own motives for doing things, this includes the members of the illuminati, there is no real cohesiveness there cant be as humans are all some what uniuque in there thought processes. Though lets say population controll may sound great in theory im sure neither you nor I could come up with a real plan of action that both of us would be okay with. It is the same thing for secret societies if you think about it. If they have been around for as long as people think and are as powerfull as people suggest why would they not already be in charge? (Or are they???) the world has been on the brink of chaos a multitude of times in its history, (see WWI, WWII, the American rev and so on)

so what im really getting at is there will be no fight, there can be no fight either they already are in complete power or they never will be due to the fact that i at least personaly beleive that there could never be a true conclusion of a plan of action. due to the fact that no group of people could come up with a plan that all would find to be either good or evil.


just my .02 sorry for any spelling or othere errors in my text i have never been the best at that kind of stuff... ha ha ha thank you for your time i hope that maybe what i said made since to some one other than me.

Originally posted by Discordian Queen
Through my many years on here (I started browsing and posting under a different name when I was about 12! I've been here a long time) nobody has sufficiently explained to me why I am supposed to despise and fear the Illuminati.

Here are a few links, first off, to websites and posts on this very forum that fail to scare me:
Are the Illuminati and NWO really bad?
Wikianswers
(If all they're trying to do is destroy Catholicism, then MEH. So lame.
Why does the illuminati have such a negative image?

I'm... shaking in my boots?

I don't care if they're trying to kill off a religion, mainly because it's a crappy religion that breeds hatred, homophobia, and bigotry.

I guess I just don't get it. They're trying to kill/sterilize people? MEH. We should have just controlled our population to begin with. Kill some of the awful people on this planet, and everyone ends up much happier. Maybe stop letting crazy people have 8+ kids, too. Because they're idiots. Give birth to one child, an if you want more, you can adopt, because there's plenty of kids out there who could use help.

I'd prefer if we had a rule of one child per couple. If you've already had a child with one person, you cannot leave them just to have another either.
Anyway!

Then there's the seriously awesome stuff that is attributed to the Illuminati. Like, I dunno, Lady Gaga. If I could live a life of symbolism, and entrance and amuse people with that symbolism, I would. I would join up in a second.

Sure, Mk Ultra is pretty scary, but also pretty awesome that we can mold someone's mind like that.

So it may mean I have no morals, and it may mean I worship the devil to some of you, but I'm all for an Illuminati, NWO takeover. I see nothing wrong with either of those things anyway.

Unless you can convince me they're actually evil and not just some awesome group who makes awesome music and brought me Lady Gaga?

Because they seem pretty awesome to me.

I want to take this, as easily as i can. I haven't finished reading the thread yet, and I am waiting for the "thing" to show "itself" because, i am compelled to respond to this NOW.

After reading yours words, I want to try to be clear, concise, and brief. Where the "discourse" goes from there, *remains to be seen*.

You're right. Fear is the only real problem in the world. Fear of what? In some *ahem*, circles, they call it *the unknown*

RE: some bene gesserit witch.

But in other *realms*, they call it the *ego trip*. Smells bad doesn't it? Maybe. That's the best part about the adventure game we call life, it's about choice. Making it right.

But you're right. The New World Order, isn't a socialist boogeyman, it's an electromagnetic pulse, beaming out of the minds of each and every "individual" mind.

Static electricity, it stands your hair up!

Fear nothing, for there is no thing to fear, unless you fear Love.

Now, only a "useful idiot" fears Love. But I know this place is not filled with idiots. That's why I came here, and didn't go somewhere a little further south, where it's a bit hotter from day to day! ;D

Originally posted by leftystrat
I'm not going to fight them either.

After all... there are SO MANY of them. And most of them are bigger than me!
They've got guns and armies and stuff. No way I'm messing with that.


I agree with a bit of what you said though.
However, the statement about their music being awesome is downright offensive

P.S. I hope you never have to suffer the fallout (or updates) of MK-ULTRA.

I don't want to strike the wrong chord here, but "Lolzerf'ingcannonz, yo!"
"'nuff said".

or, maybe not:
www.youtube.com...

anyways, WAR

Originally posted by '___'omino
they are just a byproduct of paranoid minds anyway
.

who do you mean? The Illuminati are? The people who choose not to fight them? Choose ~ to ~ fight them?

I'll just let that remain a philosophical, unless of course i'm still jumping guns, if which I am, than I apologize NOW.

Originally posted by Discordian Queen
Through my many years on here (I started browsing and posting under a different name when I was about 12! I've been here a long time) nobody has sufficiently explained to me why I am supposed to despise and fear the Illuminati.

Here are a few links, first off, to websites and posts on this very forum that fail to scare me:
Are the Illuminati and NWO really bad?
Wikianswers
(If all they're trying to do is destroy Catholicism, then MEH. So lame.
Why does the illuminati have such a negative image?

I'm... shaking in my boots?

I don't care if they're trying to kill off a religion, mainly because it's a crappy religion that breeds hatred, homophobia, and bigotry.

I guess I just don't get it. They're trying to kill/sterilize people? MEH. We should have just controlled our population to begin with. Kill some of the awful people on this planet, and everyone ends up much happier. Maybe stop letting crazy people have 8+ kids, too. Because they're idiots. Give birth to one child, an if you want more, you can adopt, because there's plenty of kids out there who could use help.

I'd prefer if we had a rule of one child per couple. If you've already had a child with one person, you cannot leave them just to have another either.
Anyway!

Then there's the seriously awesome stuff that is attributed to the Illuminati. Like, I dunno, Lady Gaga. If I could live a life of symbolism, and entrance and amuse people with that symbolism, I would. I would join up in a second.

Sure, Mk Ultra is pretty scary, but also pretty awesome that we can mold someone's mind like that.

So it may mean I have no morals, and it may mean I worship the devil to some of you, but I'm all for an Illuminati, NWO takeover. I see nothing wrong with either of those things anyway.

Unless you can convince me they're actually evil and not just some awesome group who makes awesome music and brought me Lady Gaga?

Because they seem pretty awesome to me.

A little more specifically:

12 years old? That is truly inspiring to hear! I wish I had the foresight to see past my GI Joe toys at the age of 12. Good for you!

I can explain for you why nobody has sufficiently explained to you, why you're supposed to loathe and hate the Illuminati! "We're so hatable!"

Alas, we are also, LOVEable.

And so, with the grace of...:
www.youtube.com...

Sometimes, on a more *diverse* level:
www.youtube.com...

Love Game anyone? Clearly, you aren't shaking in your boots.
Clearly, you wouldn't be here, lurking, posting, and just swimming around these waters if you were afraid. Love however.

No mention of the Love dollar in the Hicks video!

Just posting as I go...I need a drink!

Originally posted by Discordian Queen
reply to post by leftystrat

 

I've always wondered what it'd be like though. If it didn't need to be done through ritualistic abuse, I'd probably sign myself right on up for some MKing.

Well, in essence, or, in a sense, whichever you prefer, you did, and do, everyday.

You signed up here. I haven't been around long enough to know about how "regular" you are. MKing

ya mean, the Maynard kind?

Originally posted by Discordian Queen
(If all they're trying to do is destroy Catholicism, then MEH. So lame.
I'm... shaking in my boots?

I don't care if they're trying to kill off a religion, mainly because it's a crappy religion that breeds hatred, homophobia, and bigotry.

I guess I just don't get it. They're trying to kill/sterilize people? MEH. We should have just controlled our population to begin with. Kill some of the awful people on this planet, and everyone ends up much happier. Maybe stop letting crazy people have 8+ kids, too. Because they're idiots. Give birth to one child, an if you want more, you can adopt, because there's plenty of kids out there who could use help.

I'd prefer if we had a rule of one child per couple. If you've already had a child with one person, you cannot leave them just to have another either.
Anyway!

Some people see the necessity for sterilization in our world today. Personally, I am unable to see the reasons why, outside of world famine, and economic instabilities across the globe.

Which may or may not be influenced to some degree or another by private interests:
www.youtube.com...

Religion is fine, if it teaches one about self regulation, even by insertion of some form of God-Head. The problem again is choice. You can choose to worship "God" in "Man", or, "Man In God" ~ outdated ideas that are about to be upgraded. Religion has prayer. Satan has ritual. Hockey has practice. We are still thinking in boxes. Fully customizable, and compartmentalized little auto-matons, "pissing on legs, without understanding the rain part".

Anyways, i'm preaching to the choir here, hopefully!

Originally posted by Discordian Queen
I'd prefer if we had a rule of one child per couple. If you've already had a child with one person, you cannot leave them just to have another either.
Anyway!

Then there's the seriously awesome stuff that is attributed to the Illuminati. Like, I dunno, Lady Gaga. If I could live a life of symbolism, and entrance and amuse people with that symbolism, I would. I would join up in a second.

Sure, Mk Ultra is pretty scary, but also pretty awesome that we can mold someone's mind like that.

So it may mean I have no morals, and it may mean I worship the devil to some of you, but I'm all for an Illuminati, NWO takeover. I see nothing wrong with either of those things anyway.

Unless you can convince me they're actually evil and not just some awesome group who makes awesome music and brought me Lady Gaga?

Because they seem pretty awesome to me.

Most enticing and thought provoking musings you have going on! I look forward to finding more of your posts! Incidentally, I am a huge Lady GaGa fan! If it hadn't of been for her VMA performance, I might not be having this conversation, at this time. I'm grateful that I was able to download a copy after the fact! (gotta love The Pirate Bay!

Avast, i'm not sure I understand your basis for the child control thing. Sounds a little Spartan?!

Don't think too much about the mind control thing, you always end up at the same question! What is the Matrix?

=

What came first?

Regards, for NOW

Sure, you are okay with it. Maybe you will be okay with it when you are listening to Lady Gaga sing songs about forgetting her responsibilities as a human being as the NWO agents knock down your door and drag your family away to internment and re education camps.

Meh, they need to be learned a thing or two anyway. This new music video, I can't miss it for the world!

Yeah, it is pretty awesome that a group of people feel they have the right to mold another person's mentality to their own power and make everything that freedom fighters in the past died for a complete waste of time.

I hope you enjoy your castle of ignorance, looks like the gates are barred.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Discordian Queen

 

Interesting thread, you make a lot of good points.

Perhaps I can convince you somewhat how negative this will become. It's really not about symbolism, it's not about one world religion, it's about the control and the LACK of freedom that such a society would come with my friend.

Think about it, have you read 1984? It's happening now. Personally, I don't want any form of government giving a damn about me or my daily life. Or my salary or my children or anything.

I'm an intelligent well educated adult and deserve to be left to my own vices, aren't you?

I am sick of people attempting to tell me that their way of doing things is better. Who are they to limit and stiffle my creative mind and my choices about my life in general or those around me?

Who are they to decide what my money or hard workd is worth? Who are they decide what kind of medications I have access to?

You see, control is the goal. Population control, sure I agree, I think we need to drastically reduce it, over a long period of time, not some mass genocide, just ease off the births for a while.

That's already happening today however, more and more people are having less and less kids, and also that homosexuality is becoming prevelant among us (and it always does in other species when population becomes too numerous) we are headed that way.

I'm not afraid of any one group, be it NWO or illuminaty, but when it comes to my rights, they should be my rights, and I will fight anything who tells me I can't do something.

~Keeper

You also make a few good points. I would have to inquire as to how you feel about the negativity thing? I don't know yet, i'm doing this one post at a time, to be safe! Slow, but effective.

Simply put: Project Negative ~ Reflect Negative ~ Get Negative

Symbolism ~ love or hate it - it's the stuff of dreams! And who doesn't want to dream? I know I do! Control and Lack of Freedom! I happen to be well versed in these topics, I out to be, I sought out the dystopian novels like a leaf, shaken from a tree, only to come nestle on the ground, amidst a lot of other fallen leaves. The negative value, comes from the interpretation, my friend! I know because for years, I wanted to see a train wreck when I opened my front door. Careful what you wish for. You may/always do get it! Especially when it comes to your dreams either being realized, or just fantasized about...

Any intelligent and well informed citizen, has nothing to hide. Because (s)he understands the need for complexity when it comes to the legal recourse of "advancing the corporate agenda". And understanding, when it comes to the life of any Jane Q citizen, the government has neither the time, nor the inclination to worry about what any one of us is doing.

I have nothing to hide! And guess what? Not everything I do is "legal". So again, we have to face ourselves and ponder, what came first, the chicken? Or the egg!?

Population Control ~-~ oh yea, and lots of it please, after all, a lot of us believe we "evolved from monkeys"! Grain of salt, in the meantime...but that's just me, maybe i'm wrong!

Homosexuality ~-~ I guess this will have to remain the elephant for now. youtube and thomas edison come to mind ~ i need some remote control helicopters!

Originally posted by leftystrat

Originally posted by Discordian Queen

Trust me, you don't want this. Read some of the non-fiction by victims or the plain old sexually abused. Their lives are a mess and there's no gain from it.

Well, throw a little Pavlov in there, and see what happens! Incidentally, did ya know, you don't HAVE to believe everything ya read! Incredibly, everything you beLIEve, is just a lie anyways!

We just met, I don't know you, i'm only speaking from my space in the thick of it!

Oh one other thing, That was spoken like a true thermionic snob moabomb dropping 'leet!

Originally posted by Occy Anonymous
I don't imagine either side is a clear cut good guy so perhaps an army of neutrality might be advised, some kind of peoples army in between.

serious? i mean, the sides are Called, Good Vs. Evil!

This one should be a no-brainer!

Originally posted by LeTan
Sure, you are okay with it. Maybe you will be okay with it when you are listening to Lady Gaga sing songs about forgetting her responsibilities as a human being as the NWO agents knock down your door and drag your family away to internment and re education camps.

Meh, they need to be learned a thing or two anyway. This new music video, I can't miss it for the world!

Yeah, it is pretty awesome that a group of people feel they have the right to mold another person's mentality to their own power and make everything that freedom fighters in the past died for a complete waste of time.

I hope you enjoy your castle of ignorance, looks like the gates are barred.

Well, I don't have a family for them to drag away, and as for me, i've been fully discharged...

internment and re-education camps! whoah! sounds a little much. I suppose, if you had kids, you might want to be a smart and responsible parent though. Teaching a child to be anti-social is well, anti-social!

Friends ~ good to have, like, FAMILY