Bring Back the Draft?

Would you be "for" or "against" bringing the Draft back?

The military draft is an interesting issue for the Republicans to try to raise cash with. The politically independent base that the party needs to enlist for electoral battles to come in 2010 and 2012 may be of two minds. Former Gov. Jesse Ventura recently said he favors the return of the draft, while U.S. Rep. Ron Paul seemed to suggest he’d lead a Libertarian resistance movement in remarks he made in Minnesota after the 2008 Republican National Convention.

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reply to post by blue_fish


Against of course, I don't see how anyone could be for a mandatory draft. It implies that the State owns you and that not only do they own you and can order you around but they don't trust you to do your duty and sign up on your own.

The reason is that most wars are not for moral reasons or the defense of the country as a whole. Most wars, especially these days, are for profit, resource, or other agendas that have very little to do with the well being of the American people.

If someone invades America it's different, if a proper army invades us almost every American would be raring to kick some butt and defend their homes. But seeing as how our new enemy is the amoeba like "terrorist" (in quotes because it's so loosely defined) it is very hard for them to convince young men and women to give up their lives on foreign soil that we have no business being on. This is why a draft would be a dream come true to them.

I think it would backfire though, I think we'd have thousands of modern day draft dodgers. Lot's of people in this country, not just those who are 'awake' by our standards on ATS, are realizing how screwed up our government and system are. Even ordinary people when pushed around enough will start to push back and I think a draft would be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Against it.
If I had the choice of whether to be part of the system and pay taxes or not then I would be for it for the ones who are in the system and chose to be a part of it but because we don't have a choice then no...I am against it.
I shouldn't have to fight for a government I don't care for or fight for a way of living I don't agree with.
If we had the choice then I would say yes for the ones who chose to be apart of that political mess.
Besides...I can't fathom fighting over a piece of dirt.
Who's dirt is better???
Exactly...its all the same dirt so why fight over it.
War is like saying my Dad is better then your Dad.
Its pointless.

In times of WW1 and WW2 I might have considered it voluntarily.

To even mention the draft is nothing more than political suicide. Nobody wants their children shipped off to die and they surely wont support candidates that will push for such a measure. I will never understand why people even consider such moronic ideas as forcing the youth into a war that they obviously don't support and would likely only endanger the lives of others in combat situations.

I am all for it.

Something like that would wake everyone up to the MIC.

Therefore it will never be instituted.

Much better to always have a crappy economy with too many illegal aliens to keep pay as low as possible. That way you keep the military a viable employment option.

Bring back the draft? Oh what will they think of next? There are a lot of questions as to who is fit for duty, and who is not, age limits, and then you have to look at how do you prove a person is fit for duty. It also means that the standards that the military has worked so hard for will have to be reevaluated and redone.
If you consider the major things that will get a person out of the military duty, or restrict them, such as sexual orientation, std's, drug use, education and pregnancy, it should be interesting to see how things come about.
Last time the draft was in effect, it came under heavy fire for people either dodging it or simply lieing infront of the draft board.

reply to post by Helig


True, however its not like during the previous draft parents felt any more different. Sure one could make the argument that the horror of War was most brought to the limelight during Vietnam, but i doubt at any point parent wer eager to send their kids to war.
Not a single person would want a draft, the sad reality is at certain points it will be a requirement.
Now to be clear i do not think this war or this wars intentions would ever constitue a draft war, but lets say for argument sake we continue to ehad down this road of eventual faceoff between the east and west. What if it was no longer a question of a war for resources but a war for the very way in which we live our lives. Our basic human rights, our FREEDOM!!!!
At that point if you choose to live in this country you should defend it, and if enough brave souls sign up well avoid a draft, if they dont sorry but the needs of the many out way the needs of the few, Draft em!!

WTF?? How can Jesse Ventura (according to the OP) claim that he is for the draft, when he knows 9/11 was a CIA operation in order to bring our country to a war on false pretenses?

He knows that we shouldn't even be at war at all, because no terrorist has ever even attacked our country, but he wants innocent people who never wanted to be in the military to die??

The only positive thing I could think of that a draft would bring, is that I'm sure it would bring an end to the war real darn quick... The war wouldn't end cuz we'd win (of course not). The war would end because America would finally grow vehemently opposed to the war. Right now, people don't give a rats ass about the war cause it's not really effecting them personally (unless they want to be in the military anyway, then it's their own fault). Things would grow to be like the end of the Vietnam war real quick if a draft was instituted.

[edit on 5-1-2010 by seattletruth]

reply to post by blue_fish


There already is a back door draft, its called getting stop-lossed except that you signed up from the begining. $&F.

Edit: Endisnigh is right, it would wake people up with a quickness!



[edit on 5-1-2010 by Stop-loss!]

reply to post by Stop-loss!


Can you explain more for me about that?
Excuse the ignorance about military procedures.

Bringing back the Draft has been entertained in every Session of Congress since 2001. Each time it is quickly dismissed because even politicians know that such a measure would be political suicide for them.

Besides, with the U.S. War Weariness at an unprecedented high, not only would it be disastrous to popular support of the numerous U.S. war efforts on multiple fronts over multiple campaigns, but the DoD wouldn't want it either. Conscripted Troops are a liability on the battlefield, not an asset. The only time Conscripted Troops are useful is in a War of Attrition.

Even if the idea of a Draft is entertained by this Session of Congress, it will fall flat the same way as every other time it has been brought up. Increasing funding to Recruitment and increasing Incentives for Retention of existing Volunteer Military Personnel is far more likely.

Besides, with the Stop-Gap in place, the DoD is only hurting if Recruitment falls below projected rates, or if casualties increase.

Originally posted by seattletruth
WTF?? How can Jesse Ventura (according to the OP) claim that he is for the draft, when he knows 9/11 was a CIA operation in order to bring our country to a war on false pretenses.

He know that we shouldn't even be at war at all, because no terrorist has ever even attacked our country, but he wants innocent people who never wanted to be in the military to die??

The only positive thing I could think of that a draft would bring, is that I'm sure it would bring an end to the war real darn quick... The war wouldn't end cuz we'd win (of course not). The war would end because America would finally grow vehemently opposed to the war. Right now, people don't give a rats ass about the war cause it's not really effecting them personally (unless they want to be in the military anyway, then it's their own fault). Things would grow to be like the end of the Vietnam war real quick if a draft was instituted.

You worked it out exactly as you should have, that is why Ventura is all for it.

Star for you from me.

reply to post by DrumsRfun


Well you see getting stop-lossed means that even after your contract with the army, marines ect is over, they can keep you in for a whole year just to send you to some war torn sector which is kind of like a draft. Its meant to keep you in against your will.

I am for it, but instead round up all the Gang Bangers that love to play with guns and all the rest of the criminals and by all means give them the guns they so much love to play with when they are breaking into our houses or robbing us and then fly them over to Afghanistan and drop them off.

reply to post by Iamherefornow


And while they are at it, they can rob Afghanis poppy plants and smoke a bowl

Originally posted by Iamherefornow
I am for it, but instead round up all the Gang Bangers that love to play with guns and all the rest of the criminals and by all means give them the guns they so much love to play with when they are breaking into our houses or robbing us and then fly them over to Afghanistan and drop them off.

Wow. You really don't like those innocent Afghanis, do you?

Is their skin not white enough for your liking, or do you just hate the fact that they're trying to survive?


BTW, now that it was pointed out why Jesse is behind the draft, it makes sense. LOL Now I'm almost for it as well. Almost.

[edit on 5-1-2010 by seattletruth]

If you guys do get drafted and come here to the middle east, pray that you get Iraq instead of afghanistan because Iraq now more then ever is softer then baby $***.

Oh and we could also empty out our prison population and send them to Iraq and bring our fine men and women home.
Did not Fidel Castro do that? Empty out the Cuban prison population and sent them all to the US some years ago?

reply to post by Stop-loss!


Stop Loss

Just kidding with all the Bulls###, Hope you guys are coming home soon. Take care of yourself.

reply to post by Iamherefornow


thanks. To tell you the truth, some people that I know in the army were forced to join the army or stay in jail. Guess which route they took? looks like draft problem solved.