Jesus juice!

reply to post by randyvs


I didn't call my Lord a drunk.

I was telling the op to prove to me that the Lord was drunk when he performed miracles.

Something that can't be done.

Originally posted by YouAreDreaming

Originally posted by digby888

I am still trying to fathom just how valuble a bottle of Jesus made wine would fetch on E-bay. I am guessing at least 10 million dollars. If Jesus was alive to day, he could make a killing with E-bay items.

Ha, wayyyy more than that. It would be priceless, proof for millions of Christians (of whatever denomination) of Jesus' existence.

Originally posted by randyvs

Facetiousness can be ignored.

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Not when it's meant to denigrate. I'm not even Christian really, certainly not orthodox, and this thread offended me!!

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by randyvs

 

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I was telling the op to prove to me that the Lord was drunk when he performed miracles.

Something that can't be done.

Can you prove Jesus performed miracles, or did he like I suggested that he may have dumped strong drink into water to make wine?

See, history omits details, it is a proven historical fact, ordinary things written into words can be manipulated to sell the program.

You can't promote religion unless it's spiced up a bit, toss in a 'miracle' here a 'healin' there and poof, here come the followers.

Prove it, that Jesus performed miracles, you can't, you must have faith that he did.
Look up the definition of faith.

reply to post by Toadmund


That's what im trying to find out. If Jesus had the power to make water to wine. Also if he did, was it strong in alcohol content or did he make the kind of wine that was alcohol free?

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


how can this thread offend you? All im asking is the questions above so I can no longer be in the dark about the situation. Regardless I am sorry if I have offended you and got you mad but there has to be something that happened back then to make Jesus turn water into wine and didnt think it was wrong till it was abused.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


The truth was never meant to be sincere, that is why I started this thread to find out the true meaning behind Jesus's miracles even if we have to look at the dark side of the story, no offense!

In the room six very large stone water-jars stood on the floor (actually for the Jewish ceremonial cleansing), each holding about twenty gallons. Jesus gave instructions for these jars to be filled with water, and the servants filled them to the brim. Then he said to them, "Now draw some water out and take it to the master of ceremonies", which they did. When this man tasted the water, which had now become wine, without knowing where it came from (though naturally the servants who had drawn the water knew)

from:
www.ccel.org...

Now from what I learned strong drink can be diluted up to 10X with water to make wine, all Jesus would have to do is add 12 gallons of strong drink to make 120 gallons of wine.

"Now draw some water out and take it to the master of ceremonies"

Was this water taken out to make room to add the strong drink? Was something missing, like 'draw some water out, add the strong drink, THEN take it to the MC?'

Who knows, just trying to inject logic into this.

Other than that, it would have to be a miracle.

reply to post by zerbot565


Water is something you drown in, unless you coudn't swim or walk upon it - whereas wine is something you get drunk from, as you do get intoxicated from god.

I dunno, maybe there's some symbolism in the wedding, water and wine story of the bible. I don't think for a second that Jesus (assuming there ever was such individual) could bypass the laws of nature and fermetate water to wine during the weddings, or unless the wedding lasted for couple of weeks

By the way, for those who (not meaning you, zerbot) would think that Jesus could overcome laws of nature, I'll pose a question: Isn't that like breaking against the rules of God?

-v

reply to post by Toadmund


I liked the part where in the link it says "they had plenty to drink" when they found out that the water turned to wine. $tar for the discovery.

reply to post by v01i0


That is something that I never thought of or considered, but then again we always learn something new when we put our minds together and wonder how things are done. $tar for you.

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I didn't take notice of this thread until someone whined about it in a concern nanny censorship thread.

But seriously. Think about if a future anthropologist or an alien explorer were to discover the ruins of christian churches without any previous knowledge of them.

They would see these graphic gory depictions of a naked dead man nailed to a cross wearing a crown of thorns. Many complete with blood. And then they slowly translate some of the texts and are horrified to discover that the most sacred ritual is to partake of their idols body and blood.


it's hard to look at some things objectively when you have been indoctrinated since birth.

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"Now draw some water out and take it to the master of ceremonies"

Let's take a look at this line again.
If Jesus was distributing wine, why would he have his helpers take out water to give to the MC?
He did not want to merely dump the water as it was probably too valuable to waste.
After drawing water, the strong drink was dumped in.

PS, if this was a troll thread, it miraculously became an important troll thread, some serious thought going on here.

Sometimes you gotta love a troll!

reply to post by Toadmund


Troll thread or not, this is serious research on how Jesus got his Jesus juice. Why would his mom ask for wine instead of other beverages in a wedding and why didnt he think it was wrong to start serving wine to begin with then to just get obliterated drunk. I just don't see how this a good idea turned bad when drunk in hugh amounts.

Edit: $tar for honesty.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by Stop-loss!]

reply to post by Deny Arrogance


I cant believe someone whined about my thread. Sure I sometimes whine im my threads, but I dont go around telling people to bash their threads because it immoral or denigrate.

Originally posted by Stop-loss!
reply to post by Toadmund

 

Troll thread or not, this is serious research on how Jesus got his Jesus juice. Why would his mom ask for wine instead of other beverages in a wedding and why didnt he think it was wrong to start serving wine to begin with then to just get obliterated drunk. I just don't see how this a good idea turned bad when drunk in hugh amounts.

Edit: $tar for honesty.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by Stop-loss!]

I have to agree, Jesus could have made any frosty beverage of his choosing. Why make wine when you can make Coca Cola 1900 years before it's invented and give the wedding something sweet, bubbly and delicious!

Jesus really should have given the people McDonald's with Coke to drink because that would really seal the miracle deal. And say, this comes from the end time era peeps. Eat up, and revel in revelations as the horses of the appocolypse trample those who gorge on this food in ye future.

McDonalds and Coca Cola... miraculous!

reply to post by YouAreDreaming


now im really curious as to the power of Jesus. Like you said, he could have served anything but instead he had to serve wine "AKA Jesus blood" and could have forbidden drinking completely instead of when inebriated. This is ground breaking material. $tar for you.

reply to post by Stop-loss!


I wondered if Jesus liked to party with the desert animals? What people don't realize about Jesus that I think we have a clear factual and biblically accurate view into his life was... he didn't like water.

He stepped on it, he turned it into wine. Let's face it... the issue is really about Jesus's distaste for water. I mean... if he thought water was so awesome why would he trample on it, or change it into something else. He judged water unworthy of being water and forced it, against it's will to be something else after walking all over it!

Crimes against water historically and biblically accurate.

reply to post by YouAreDreaming


or maybe its not the water itself, but what was in the water. The fish might be what he didnt like and hated water because it harbored fish. Perhaps this is why some Jesus signs had fish in them but I could be wrong. $tar for bringing a good point.

reply to post by Stop-loss!


You are right, jesus did like to catch and kill fish. His father also turned the Nile into blood that killed all the fish. There is a Father / Son relationship with either a disdain for water and a love for wine and blood, or to simply to kill all the fish? Killing all the fish in the Nile is mass genocide ... you are right. God and Jesus both hate fish!

Man I am sooo glad I am not a fish right now.