Boskops: the missing link between Man and Grey?

I am not a Huge poster of Alien Threads, but this really got the wheels turning in my brain.

This is an extinct species of Proto-Human.
They were small, with small child-like faces and:

a Brain that was 30% Larger than Ours!

Is this ringing any bells with anybody else?

That 30% difference in size is not as telling as WHERE the difference and size is present...

The "amazing" Boskops
They possessed extraordinary features: forebrains roughly 50% larger than ours, and estimated IQs to match--far surpassing our own.

Between the difference in Size, and the Placement of the extra brain-mass, Boskops was possibly as advanced from us, as we are from the Chimpanzee.

Where did they go?

And, isn't the physical description, along with the hyper-noggin, reminding any of you, of some little, annoying Grey Guys?

Whoops.
I guess there is another thread like this.
Sorry. I did a search, but it didn't come up.
Feel Free to delete.

Never heard of this, I can't wait to read this article.

Originally posted by hoghead cheese
Never heard of this, I can't wait to read this article.

I had to do a lot of searching to find info. For some reason, this info has not made much of a splash in main stream media. And, this isn't a "New Find".

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have you heard about the starchild skull?

Originally posted by queenannie38
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have you heard about the starchild skull?

Holy Crap!
I didn't even think about that.
Do you think there could be some connection?
I will look for some images of the Boskops, and see if we can get a side by side with the Star Child.

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
And, isn't the physical description, along with the hyper-noggin, reminding any of you, of some little, annoying Grey Guys?

Anthropologists think of the Boskops as not a separate species but may have been a variation of anatomical modern man. It should be pointed out the link in the OP states that a Boskop race never really existed.

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[edit on 4-1-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
And, isn't the physical description, along with the hyper-noggin, reminding any of you, of some little, annoying Grey Guys?

Anthropologists think of the Boskops as not a separate species but may have been a variation of anatomical modern man. It should be pointed out the link in the OP states that a Boskop race never really existed.

EDITED TO REFLECT BETTER INFORMATION

[edit on 4-1-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

Well, if we are going back 10,000 years, wouldn't this be waaaay before there was much, if any chance mixing with with other groups of humans? From what I understand, back then, these guys would have been totally isolated, and working in their own direction. I guess another important question would be, how long were THEY around, before fading? What, if any, advances had they made, that were farther along than today's humans?
I mean, it is hard to believe that they could have had such an edge in intelligence over modern man, but still remained in the stone age.
Lot's of questions.

are there any fossil remains of this species? Very very interesting info you bring up !

I have heard of these proto-humans before, and they went with the ice age, just like the Neanderthals.

A lot of creationists don't realize, that there were several races of evolved apes on earth that were not today's human at all.

Neanderthals for instance were a stocky shorter race, that died off in the ice age due to the fact they were too stocky and stupid to travel anywhere when winter came. They preferred to stay in their caves, and only hunt what came to them.

As for the smarter and smaller races with larger brains, they were just too frail to make it through the second ice age.

Humans were the perfect combination, they were strong, but smart enough to travel south when the ice age came. They would follow their food south. That's why humans remain today, we were the only race capable of withstanding the second ice age.


[edit on 4-1-2010 by RshachGtsthar]

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
Well, if we are going back 10,000 years, wouldn't this be waaaay before there was much, if any chance mixing with with other groups of humans?

I don't think you understand. There was not a Boskop species. Every supposed Boskop skull has been that of an anatomical modern human.

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
What, if any, advances had they made, that were farther along than today's humans?

I mean, it is hard to believe that they could have had such an edge in intelligence over modern man, but still remained in the stone age.
Lot's of questions.

Let's say this hypothetical race did exist. Just because their brains were larger doesn't necessarily mean they were more intelligent or more advanced. If the Boskops did have larger heads they would have all the problems modern humans have with their large heads, albeit amplified. Humans have a high infant mortality rate compared because of our large craniums; it would have been even worse for the supposed Boskops. Also, large brains require a lot of energy. The Boskops brain would not have been as economical as the modern human brain.

Modern humans, with our smaller brains but comperable brain power, would have advantages over the non-existant Boskops.

Originally posted by Cydonia2012
are there any fossil remains of this species? Very very interesting info you bring up !

Folks, read the link in the OP! The Boskops did not exist.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
Well, if we are going back 10,000 years, wouldn't this be waaaay before there was much, if any chance mixing with with other groups of humans?

I don't think you understand. There was not a Boskop species. Every supposed Boskop skull has been that of an anatomical modern human.

I thought this was still undecided, from what I have read.

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
What, if any, advances had they made, that were farther along than today's humans?

I mean, it is hard to believe that they could have had such an edge in intelligence over modern man, but still remained in the stone age.
Lot's of questions.

Let's say this hypothetical race did exist. Just because their brains were larger doesn't necessarily mean they were more intelligent or more advanced. If the Boskops did have larger heads they would have all the problems modern humans have with their large heads, albeit amplified. Humans have a high infant mortality rate compared because of our large craniums; it would have been even worse for the supposed Boskops. Also, large brains require a lot of energy. The Boskops brain would not have been as economical as the modern human brain.

Modern humans, with our smaller brains but comperable brain power, would have advantages over the non-existant Boskops.

I understand that a larger brain does not mean higher intelligence. For instance, an animal can have a larger brain than a human, but upon examination, much of the excess size could be for hearing, or sight or even finding a mate, and so forth.
The point that scientists specifically pointed out, was the portion of Boskops' brain that was enhanced, was a region that would have definitively increased intelligence.

Even if Boskops were a separate species, is there really a direct correlation between brain size and intelligence?

For instance, small-statured humans (say some Peruvians, Indonesians, or Japanese, for example) may have a brain size of 1000 gram, which is 20%-30% smaller than large-statured humans (some Scandinavians, for example) who may have a brain size of 1400 grams. HOWEVER, that does not necessarily equate to Scandinavians being more intelligent than Indonesians or Japanese.

Perhaps Boskop man was simply a larger-statured Homo sapiens. Therefore, they would have the same intelligence as other Homo sapiens (like us) have.



[edit on 1/4/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Even if Boskops were a separate species, is there really a direct correlation between brain size and intelligence?

For instance, small-statured humans (say some Peruvians, Indonesians, or Japanese, for example) may have a brain size of 1000 gram, which is 20%-30% smaller than large-statured humans (some Scandinavians, for example) who may have a brain size of 1400 grams. HOWEVER, that does not necessarily equate to Scandinavians being more intelligent than Indonesians or Japanese.

Perhaps Boskop man was simply a larger-statured Homo sapiens. Therefore, they would have the same intelligence as other Homo sapiens (like us) have.



[edit on 1/4/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

First of all, YES, brain size is, in fact, a determining factor in intelligence. A simple search or two on the internet will give you a huge number of hits, linking to research results that have come to this conclusion.
Yet, even this detail is not so much of an "eye-opener", once the area of the brain that is the result of this expanse in brain mass.
A study of the brain, and the areas responsible for, or most responsible for intelligence, compared to the areas of Boskops' brain, and the areas containing the extra mass, would show that the intelligence-determining areas of Boskops' brain are the enlarged portions.

In other words, go to a mad scientist, ask him for 30% more of the parts of your brain that makes you smarter. Not the stuff related to eating, or mating, etc.
And, there you have Boskops.

Brain size IS a huge factor when it comes to intelligence.

It's a well known factor, I don't understand how anybody would think otherwise. There have been many studies on the matter that has concluded this, and it was always just taken for granted you knew this. The smaller the animal's brain the more it is based on instinct.

BUT - We are talking about prehistoric races of proto-humans, they were still early is any sort of development and would be no where near advanced, they would still be living in caves.

Humans survived the ice age, and no other race did. Neanderthals came in seconded but never made it.

When will people be educate themselves? Humans were never the only race on earth, and it is well documented and well known, that's were the word Neanderthal came from we have been using it for years.

Originally posted by LASTofTheV8s
Holy Crap!
I didn't even think about that.
Do you think there could be some connection?
I will look for some images of the Boskops, and see if we can get a side by side with the Star Child.

what i think is that if there is a link between man and ET, it might be the starchild skull

but the Boskops don't appear to be such
the article concludes it was not a valid assumption that the Boskops ever existed at all

The answer is more down to earth:

AWESOME article! Literally mind-blowing. I first copied this section but at the same time was thinking that this big-brained proto-human sounds like the Bushmen to me and I'll tell you why:

"There is another, again poignant, possible explanation for the disappearance of the big-brained people. Maybe all that thoughtfulness was of no particular survival value in 10,000 B.C. The great genius of civilization is that it allows individuals to store memory and operating rules outside of their brains, in the world that surrounds them. The human brain is a sort of central processing unit operating on multiple memory disks, some stored in the head, some in the culture. Lacking the external hard drive of a literate society, the Boskops were unable to exploit the vast potential locked up in their expanded cortex. They were born just a few millennia too soon."

So THEN I see that indeed the Boskops are occasionally found in the living Bushmen!!!

O.K. so here's my explanation -- most of that Big Brain article is focused on increased I.Q. as defined from the perspective of modern civilized thinking -- i.e. linear, serial processing.

Professor William Calvin argues for this type of "serial" processing as the secret of co-evolution of right-hand technology and left-brain dominance for modern humans to adapt to Ice Age climate catastrophes...

So the article, understandable, has this BIAS when imagining how the Boskops would have been smarter.

O.K. so here's my answer. I actually SAW someone's head EXPAND from doing the qigong training -- and here I'm referring to

Qigong Master Jim Nance. springforestqigong.com...

In fact I reported this information to my friend Joe who used to work at Hard Times Cafe -- this anarchist collective in the hippy-punk neighborhood of Minneapolis.

Joe was laughing -- because I was very persuasively describing how I had seen Jim Nance's skull literally EXPAND from the qigong training. I knew Jim BEFORE he was a qigong master. Also in my own qigong training my skull had gotten soft -- and had expanded -- not as much as Jim -- but still. Still even now my skull is always cracking as the energy breaks up blockages in the skull.

O.K. so this Boskops stuff is much stranger than any "rationalist" scientist can explain - because a "rationalist" is not willing to accept that the Bushmen rely on PARANORMAL SKILLS for their culture -- 3rd Eye vision abilities!! Sure the Bushmen had paranormal memory but they can also SEE INSIDE YOUR BODY -- they have holographic laser vision!!

O.K. so at least the article states that the Boskops were probably wiped out by "civilized" aka SAVAGE people. haha. Just like the Bushmen.


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please read your own source article CAREFULLY , the storry is utter twaddle

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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please read your own source article CAREFULLY , the storry is utter twaddle

Thanks for pointing that out.
This is actually the link I meant to insert:

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Whether the find is "twaddle" or not, is still up for debate. Obviously, there are some scientists who are taking it seriously.

The idea that the Boskops come from a fraudulent attempt to "gather" the skulls of big-headed, small faced, short, slight-framed people that have been dead for 10,000, and then pass them off, dishonestly, as a separate race of proto-humans, sounds even more far-fetched than the idea of the Boskops themselves.

Getting lucky enough to gather remains from a number of beings with all of those traits, and all from 10,000 years ago, seems like a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Also, isn't it strange that these mutated early humans had similar excesses in brain-mass, all in the same frontal lobe area? A trait that almost definitely resulted in higher intelligence with a variety of gifts.


[edit on 5-1-2010 by LASTofTheV8s]