Why People are STILL Laughing at Creationists (and ID'ers)

Reply to post by Stormdancer777

Oh joygasm, yet another psuedo-intellectual strawman horse laugh of a thread taunting those the OP and gang obviously feel superior to with the usual and completely predictable parroted illogical arguments and childish taunts coupled with poor attempts at sounding intelligent...... You'd think it'd get old.


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To all those on this thread...If it weren't for christians,creationists and intelligent designers.What would you have to debate about?You need us more than we need you!

Campagnolo versus Shimano ?

Come on now M, if there were no atheists xtian prophesies could not come about and jesusyahwhe couldn't come back.

Hey M am I your bad apple on the side ?

reply to post by l neXus l

although from wales i would think you are a gothic heavy metal blood sucker!!!!!!!!!!! yeah xBrutalx totally kidding

Apparently I'm an ignorant fat bastard that's going to burn in hell.

And that's just from my kids lol

reply to post by moocowman


The Bible prophecies would still occur without atheists' influence.
Yes, you are a bad apple!

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Hey Darth Maul your late where you been, nice to see you too good xmas ? still vague I notice.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Oh joygasm, yet another psuedo-intellectual strawman horse laugh of a thread taunting those the OP and gang obviously feel superior to with the usual and completely predictable parroted illogical arguments and childish taunts coupled with poor attempts at sounding intelligent...... You'd think it'd get old.

 

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I should know better, yes?

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by moocowman

 

The Bible prophecies would still occur without atheists' influence.
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How exactly ? Apparently the signs of the the returning of the godman are persecution of xtians unbelief, turning away blah blah.

So if everyone become a god (real) xtian tomorrow and lived peaceably, well er, em no signs no prophesy.

Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Because that would be a gross violation of current scientific dogma. Which according to some people does not exist " cuz siyence is totully ubjektive!"

Yes, I lost faith in them, and the global warming debacle was icing on the cake.

Everyone has an agenda, and truth aint it.

The difference between real scientists, and Creationist "science" is real scientists look at the data first and then determine if their hypotheses will fit in. "Scientific" creationists begin with biblical "truths" which "may not be questioned". They look at the data and then decide whether or not the data will fit in with their interpretation of the Bible. Supporting data are collected; contradictory data are assumed to be incomplete or erroneous. That is not science!

The shocking truth, unknown to much of the public, is that the arguments advanced by the "scientific" creationists are not only bad, but shockingly bad. Arguments based solely on obsolete data are by no means rare. Misrepresentation of the data are commonplace! (It is usually a case of bad data being passed along or wishful thinking rather than out- and-out dishonesty.) Thus, the question as to how good the young-earth arguments are takes on a new meaning.

Creationists have an agenda. (Most)Scientists do not.

This has all became so comical.

reply to post by moocowman


Now,if you are getting angry,get off your computer for awhile and relax!
It is all fun until someone gets banned!
Atheists really should find other hobbies besides trashing religion.They
end up getting their blood pressure up,veins popping up on their foreheads,slamming their fists on tables,name calling,swearing...You
can't win against a christian who is firm in their beliefs.

reply to post by SuperFlyingZombies


I don't think that a ID scientist would be necessarily a Christian, they may just believe in the possibility of a high power, creative force, divine architect,

Physicists Create Universe Smaller Than a Marble
www.environmentalgraffiti.com...

Scientists Create DNA/Protein Hybrids That May’ve Given Rise to Life
blogs.discovermagazine.com...

Key word, create.

reply to post by mamabeth

Atheists really should find other hobbies besides trashing religion.

This is where I find an atheist is no different then a believer, they both try and force their opinions on one another,

well some do.
socyberty.com...

reply to post by SuperFlyingZombies


What about the difference between your so called real scientists and scientist who are proponents of intelligent design? I suppose they, too only use shockingly bad data?

Furthermore you state creationists have an agenda and most scientist dont? That seems odd. I am certain Darwin had an agenda.

I dont understand how someone can cling to evolution as if its the absolut proven truth and discard Intelligent Design as mythology.

Sorry, what was this thread about again?

I think JaxonRoberts summed up very well my beliefs on the first page

One can accept science and not give up a Creator. I myself see a being who created the Big Bang, knowing what the 'Butterfly Effect' would be. Being a Being of infinite power and patience, God could certainly wait ten or twelve billion years for sentient life to appear in the Universe.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in an "Intelligent Designer" of some sort. It's the "young earth" theory I don't.

Yes R.D. most certainly has an agenda.

reply to post by AshleyD


I share the same exact struggle Ashley. I have no problem with evolution, i just have some questions that have not received a proper evolution, and when i asked them i get treated like some mindless knuckle dragger. I don't tell people they are going to hell for disagreeing with me, and i do not present science that I KNOW is bunk and just as you i do not want it taught in science class. I believe in a very old earth (billions of years old actually) and even though i do not subscribe to macro-evolution i do not discount it as non-scientific trash. Every door still remains open for people like me (including the possibility that there is no creator). And no matter how logical and well-thought out i make an an argument i get responses like " THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR A CREATOR EVEN WHERE THERE SHOULD BE EVIDENCE THERE IS NONE, RELIGION KILLS PEOPLE, ID IS PSEUDO-SCIENCE" that contain absolutely no citations of ANY study that supports those statements. And yet it is me and you who are the ones being unscientific?

First off, let me start with a disclaimer: I am not a Christian. Therefore I am not arguing from that particular theological bent.

That being said, ‘science’ has not provided an adequate explanation of the creation of the universe. The ‘Big Bang’ theory rests upon the assumption (and assumption is a key word here) that all matter came into existence from a reaction somewhere in the deepest void of nothing. The problem is that even the most basic logic tells us that something cannot come from nothing. If you have absolute zero and nothing to factor it with then you will always have absolute zero. It is impossible to achieve any mathematical value other than zero when starting with zero and when all the subsequent variables are zero. As a mathematical concept this is ridiculous. 1.

Religion is at least trying to provide a number other than zero. Science, in a fit or mathematical irrationality, is insisting that a number was created from zero without any other number available. Note that religion is not trying to explain how the One came into being – it is just accepting it as an existing thing: God/Allah/Brahma, etc. It assumes a One that is divisible. That is mathematically and logically sound. Science is saying there was nothing - but somehow Zero became something and divided itself! How irrational is that?2.

Nothing cannot - by all logic and reasoning and rational thought – create something! That is where the scientists fail in their explanations. To assume such is just as ludicrous, if not more so, than assuming a metaphysical something existed prior to nothing and then altered itself by division. Religion is far more logical in its assertion that there was something greater than zero from the start. It is not always just an attempt to explain the One and its purposes, but a simple logical assertion that there had to be a One before the zero.

1. I am aware of the theories of parallel universes, etc. But still, if this universe came from that one and so on and so forth, there had to be a interference greater than zero at some point. Where did that variable come from?

2. Of course, as opposed to zero, one can be divided infinitely. It’s almost spiritual when you think about it…


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reply to post by AshleyD


Hey Ashley, this topic brings back memories!

Originally posted by AshleyD

I came to believe they are actually the ignorant ones because they cannot scientifically refute some very basic and damning arguments against aspects of evolution (keep in mind I actually DO accept certain levels of evolution). It's like those skeptical of the science behind climate change, all the falsified evidence, the arrogant scientists, etc., being equated with flat earthers and brushed aside with scoffing.

I have been thinking exactly the same thing. These two secular myths are both examples of ideologies masquerading as science. On the basis of the juvenile and intolerant behaviour of the Darwinists appearing more ideological than a mere calculated ascent to a proposition based on evidences reveals that it has little to do with science. Naturalist ideology (Atheism) drives Darwinism rather than science.

The blatant fear mongering and ruthless attacks directed toward dissenters of AGW issue are much the same.

Both fuel the secular conspiracy to obfuscate the word of God, both promote the globalist New World Order Agenda and both have been repeatedly busted for using fraudulent evidence. Scientists who dissent are often branded and dismissed. Yet some courageous scientists risk their careers to stand up to the agenda of the elitist dictatorship bent on totalitarian control:


On AGW:

Fifty nine additional scientists from around the world have been added to the U.S. Senate Minority Report of dissenting scientists, pushing the total to over 700 skeptical international scientists…

Darwinism:

Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture today [February 8, 2007] announced that over 700 scientists from around the world have now signed a statement expressing their skepticism about the contemporary theory of Darwinian evolution.

Source: 700 scientists dissent from global warming and 700 scientists dissent from Darwinism

i think that athiest people are just special, and need love, god will forgive them in the end.......hopefully